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I've heard his name thrown around on the board a few times for the new AD position. I just read an article about how he was leading the search committee that hired Doug Marone and Rex Ryan. That scares the hell out of me...Hiring coaches is one of the AD's major roles and Whaley really seems to be dropping the ball in that category.

Thoughts?
 
I think hiring an NFL HC has very little in common with looking for the right coach of an ACC school
 
Does anyone really think Whaley's going to go from being an NFL GM to AD at Pitt? The guy's been an NFL front office guy his whole career.
 
The fact that some fans think that being an NFL GM has anything to do with being a college athletic director--such that Whaley would be qualified for the AD job or that his tenure as an NFL GM would have any bearing on how we would perform as an AD--says a lot about Pitt's fan base.
 
What are the qualifications for an AD?
Where would a school look to hire an AD?
Why couldn't a person who worked in an NFL front office be an AD?

Seems like people get hired from just about any line of work to be an AD.
 
It's not an original thought, but here goes: Pitt football had it's greatest successes when they didn't hire Pitt guys.
 
It's not an original thought, but here goes: Pitt football had it's greatest successes when they didn't hire Pitt guys.
Outside of sherrill, you are right. Not sure where Sutherland came from.

Walt, majors 1, duzzi, gottfried all not pitt guys. Wanny, foge, both pitt guys, both failures.
 
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Wannstedt had a better record than Harris. I understand that Harris had further to go but you can't call the guy with the worse record a success and the other guy a failure.
 
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The fact that some fans think that being an NFL GM has anything to do with being a college athletic director--such that Whaley would be qualified for the AD job or that his tenure as an NFL GM would have any bearing on how we would perform as an AD--says a lot about Pitt's fan base.
Not necessarily true. Michigan's last 3 ADs before Wade Manuel had no athletic or university administrative background at all. were: CEO of Dominoes Pizza, a career businessman who was also president of U.S. Sailing Association and of the US Olympic Committee, and another career businessman who had zero prior experience with university or athletic administration. I'm not aware of any NFL GMs who have transitioned to college AD, but there are certainly some ADs with mostly NFL backgrounds, Ron George of Colorado comes to mind.

The biggest job an AD has is managing a complex budget. Just behind that are generating public and private revenue, and politicking within a university's administrative structure to keep as much money as possible for the athletic department. But at the end of the day it is an organizational management job. There is a gray deal of robbing Peter to pay Paul. On top of it all there is marketing, branding, media contracts, and, last but not least, protecting and nurturing student athletes to perform well academically, graduate, and become productive citizens.

Whaley would never be a contender for this job and would have virtually no qualifications for it. There are others in the NFL administrative world that would be qualified tough. Jim Tressel, on the other hand, would be one of the most highly qualified AD candidates of all time.
 
I've heard his name thrown around on the board a few times for the new AD position. I just read an article about how he was leading the search committee that hired Doug Marone and Rex Ryan. That scares the hell out of me...Hiring coaches is one of the AD's major roles and Whaley really seems to be dropping the ball in that category.

Thoughts?


Doug marrone was and is a good football coach
 
Dave did well at Pitt. There isn't bonus points for winning games with worse recruits. No one has won more games than Dave in 30 years in 1 year or a 3 year stretch. It's as simple as that.
 
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Outside of sherrill, you are right. Not sure where Sutherland came from.

Walt, majors 1, duzzi, gottfried all not pitt guys. Wanny, foge, both pitt guys, both failures.

The fact that Walt and Gottfried are considered successes and Wannstedt a failure tells you all you need to know about whether this opinion is worth crediting.

Pitt is going for its ninth win tomorrow.

In the last forty years we have won nine or more games nine times. Nine. In forty years. The last time we did it? We fired the coach a year later. Dave Wannstedt. A guy who coached two of the nine teams that won at least nine games. Gottfried coached zero. Walt and Foge coached one. Jackie had four of the nine.

We haven't come close to the nine wins Wannstedt had in 2009 until Narduzzi was hired. It's been around six years of trying to fix the mistake of firing Dave.
 
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Not necessarily true. Michigan's last 3 ADs before Wade Manuel had no athletic or university administrative background at all. were: CEO of Dominoes Pizza, a career businessman who was also president of U.S. Sailing Association and of the US Olympic Committee, and another career businessman who had zero prior experience with university or athletic administration. I'm not aware of any NFL GMs who have transitioned to college AD, but there are certainly some ADs with mostly NFL backgrounds, Ron George of Colorado comes to mind.

The biggest job an AD has is managing a complex budget. Just behind that are generating public and private revenue, and politicking within a university's administrative structure to keep as much money as possible for the athletic department. But at the end of the day it is an organizational management job. There is a gray deal of robbing Peter to pay Paul. On top of it all there is marketing, branding, media contracts, and, last but not least, protecting and nurturing student athletes to perform well academically, graduate, and become productive citizens.

Whaley would never be a contender for this job and would have virtually no qualifications for it. There are others in the NFL administrative world that would be qualified tough. Jim Tressel, on the other hand, would be one of the most highly qualified AD candidates of all time.


The guys who were hired at Michigan were all a disaster. They brought in RichRod and Brady Hoke.
 
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The fact that Walt and Gottfried are considered successes and Wannstedt a failure tells you all you need to know about whether this opinion is worth crediting.

Pitt is going for its ninth win tomorrow.

In the last forty years we have won or more games nine times. Nine. In forty years. The last time we did it? We fired the coach a year later. Dave Wannstedt. A guy who coached two of the nine teams that won at least nine games. Gottfried coached zero. Walt and Foge coached one. Jackie had four of the nine.

We haven't come close to the nine wins Wannstedt had in 2009 until Narduzzi was hired. It's been around six years of trying to fix the mistake of firing Dave.
Walt and gottfried were a success, wanny a failure is a tad strong.

Firing wanny wasn't the problem, hiring Haywood, graham and Christ were the problem.
 
Walt and gottfried were a success, wanny a failure is a tad strong.

Firing wanny wasn't the problem, hiring Haywood, graham and Christ were the problem.

Keep telling yourself that. We've had how many coaches since Wanny?

If we win tomorrow we will finish the season ranked for the first time since 2009 under Wannstedt. When we finished 15 in the country. But firing him a year later was a great idea.

After forty years of mostly mediocrity and worse it boggles the mind that someone would defend firing a guy who led Pitt to its first ten win season in thirty years. But then again nobody ever accused Pitt's fan base of being football savvy.
 
Keep telling yourself that. We've had how many coaches since Wanny?

If we win tomorrow we will finish the season ranked for the first time since 2009 under Wannstedt. When we finished 15 in the country. But firing him a year later was a great idea.

After forty years of mostly mediocrity and worse it boggles the mind that someone would defend firing a guy who led Pitt to its first ten win season in thirty years. But then again nobody ever accused Pitt's fan base of being football savvy.
You have a short memory. The team gave up on wanny. Pitt didn't fire wanny, wanny fired himself.
 
You have a short memory. The team gave up on wanny. Pitt didn't fire wanny, wanny fired himself.

You are talking nonsense. Steve Peterson fired Dave Wannstedt. It was a bad move then and looks worse now. The fact that you call a guy who delivered our best season and ranking in 30 years a failure says you have no credibility on this issue.
 
You are talking nonsense. Steve Peterson fired Dave Wannstedt. It was a bad move then and looks worse now. The fact that you call a guy who delivered our best season and ranking in 30 years a failure says you have no credibility on this issue.
Lol, your incessant cheerleading and disregard for the abysmal 2010, multiple arrests leading to an SI article and decline of the program destroys your credibility as well.
 
This is the most rude statement I have ever made here. Pardon the french,but any Jackass that would hire Rex Ryan for any reason is well below the class and dignity of your University, which we affectionately refer to as Pitt .
 
Lol, your incessant cheerleading and disregard for the abysmal 2010, multiple arrests leading to an SI article and decline of the program destroys your credibility as well.

No it doesn't. Though nice try at a response. The decline of the program occurred after he was fired. When we went through about four coaches in 12 months. I give you credit though for trying to defend the indefensible.
 
No it doesn't. Though nice try at a response. The decline of the program occurred after he was fired. When we went through about four coaches in 12 months. I give you credit though for trying to defend the indefensible.
You missed the wvu debacle and uconn game in 2010 obviously. Let me know if you want me to post a link to pitt program under wanny with off field arrests too, I'll be happy to find that for you.
 
No it doesn't. Though nice try at a response. The decline of the program occurred after he was fired. When we went through about four coaches in 12 months. I give you credit though for trying to defend the indefensible.
Pitt football team has finally climbed to No. 1 in the rankings, except this time it's a list they didn't want to be on.

Sports Illustrated recently did a six month study of all of the Top 25 teams in last season's preseason poll and the Panthers ranked No. 1 with the most players (22) in trouble with the law.
 
PITTSBURGH -- Dave Wannstedt is out as Pitt football coach following a disappointing season in which the Panthers were big favorites to win a weak Big East Conference, only to finish 7-5 and qualify for a minor bowl.
 
The Panthers didn't have a winning record during Wannstedt's first three seasons, then failed to meet expectations even while going 9-4 in 2008 and 10-3 in 2009. Last-minute losses to West Virginia and Cincinnati to end the 2009 regular season cost Pitt the Big East title and a BCS berth after the Panthers moved into the AP Top 10.

This season was marred by the arrest of four players in a short span of time. The Panthers also lost non-conference games to Utah, Notre Dame and Miami, then blew a two-game lead in the Big East race. The Panthers were upset by Connecticut ahead of an embarrassing 35-10 defeat at home to West Virginia that may have convinced Pederson a change was needed.
 
Pitt football team has finally climbed to No. 1 in the rankings, except this time it's a list they didn't want to be on.

Sports Illustrated recently did a six month study of all of the Top 25 teams in last season's preseason poll and the Panthers ranked No. 1 with the most players (22) in trouble with the law.

What are you doing, Swervin? It was very clear to me - and some others at the time - that Pitt was making a mistake in firing Wannstedt and if people can't admit it in retrospect, or try to couch it in someway, I don't know what to tell you?

I like when people say, "Well, it was the right decision to fire him but the guys we hired after him were bad choices. However, that doesn't change the fact it was the right decision to fire him."

Uh, no it wasn't.

All that matters is the health of the program and if the program takes a step backwards it was a mistake. Our program took 25 steps backwards and we are just now recovering from it.

It was a horrifically stupid decision to fire him without a clear plan in place for his successor or to invest more heavily in the program. Just getting rid of him because we couldn't get over the hump is one of the most breathtakingly moronic decisions I've ever seen.

It really hurt us bad.

I said this at the time and I will say it now and I'm sure people won't listen now either. A "small market" program like Pitt cannot afford to act petulantly like a Michigan or a Florida can. We simply don't have the resources that many of those other schools have and compete with them we have to operate more intelligently, more efficiently, and more patiently than our competitors.

That firing was an example that our A.D. did not understand that simple principle and that was disturbing. In a best case scenario, I think you confuse the job of athletic director with the job of general manager and that's not how it should work – ever.

It was also a stupid decision to hold a press conference where we ostensibly took responsibility for every crime committed by an NCAA football player.

In that Sports Illustrated report, it later came out that 12 of the 25 teams in their preseason top 25 did not participate in the study due to their respective state's open records laws. That's pretty substantial and they should've acknowledged that upfront but they didn't.

I think people resort to the Sports Illustrated report because they know they don't have any other argument. However, that might be the weakest argument of them all.

I'm over it now but it was definitely a MAJOR mistake and anyone who says otherwise is just not being honest with themselves.
 
Not necessarily true. Michigan's last 3 ADs before Wade Manuel had no athletic or university administrative background at all. were: CEO of Dominoes Pizza, a career businessman who was also president of U.S. Sailing Association and of the US Olympic Committee, and another career businessman who had zero prior experience with university or athletic administration. I'm not aware of any NFL GMs who have transitioned to college AD, but there are certainly some ADs with mostly NFL backgrounds, Ron George of Colorado comes to mind.

The biggest job an AD has is managing a complex budget. Just behind that are generating public and private revenue, and politicking within a university's administrative structure to keep as much money as possible for the athletic department. But at the end of the day it is an organizational management job. There is a gray deal of robbing Peter to pay Paul. On top of it all there is marketing, branding, media contracts, and, last but not least, protecting and nurturing student athletes to perform well academically, graduate, and become productive citizens.

Whaley would never be a contender for this job and would have virtually no qualifications for it. There are others in the NFL administrative world that would be qualified tough. Jim Tressel, on the other hand, would be one of the most highly qualified AD candidates of all time.
Good post. It amazes me how many people have no clue what an AD actually does.
 
You are talking nonsense. Steve Peterson fired Dave Wannstedt. It was a bad move then and looks worse now. The fact that you call a guy who delivered our best season and ranking in 30 years a failure says you have no credibility on this issue.
Sorry but he failed to win any big games. His signature win was as a 5-7 team at WVU. It's easy in hindsight to look at the records in 2008 and 2009 but the fact is that he underachiever both seasons. I didn't want to see him go at the time, but there is no comparison to the level of coaching this program enjoys now and what we saw under Wanny.
 
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Seems to my memory, Pederson met with Wanny, strongly suggested changes to the staff, Wanny told him to take a hike. The rest is history. Was it a week affter this most awesome wanny memory that the team quit in the WVU game?

 
Wanny is a horrible choice for Pitt. Horrible. Wanny is a fan of one thing, Wanny., Who can forget about Wanny calling our recruits after he left telling them not to go to Pitt. Wanny doesn't give a crap about Pitt. Let him stay on air. At least he and Bradshaw share the same iq 85.
 
Did he underachieve though? Those Cincinnati and Connecticut teams put more players in the NFL than did that Pitt team.

He also beat the No. 2 team in the nation in USF, ND in South Bend (not many Pitt coaches have one of those on their resumes) and he beat a pretty good North Carolina team in the Meineke Car Care Bowl.

I don't want to make it out like we fired Vince Lombardi because I don't feel that way at all. There are plenty of very valid criticisms of Dave Wannstedt.

However, the way a lot of our fans treat his tenure here is just completely ludicrous...and entirely dishonest. At the very least it was comparable to Walt Harris's Pitt career. I always thought Harris took the program further than his successor, but Wannstedt made it stronger and more consistent than his predecessor.

I definitely agree that our coaching staff is better now than it was then - or any time since Sherrill left in the early 80's - but this is the first time I felt that way since he left.

I did not believe that Todd Graham's or Paul Chryst's staffs were better than that Wannstedt's staff. Who knows about Mike Haywood? However, I suspect that would've represented a step backward as well.
 
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Yep, just what every school needs to lead it's athletic programs- a sanctimonious douche bag with no regards to rules and ethics. It's funny to me how people buy into his act.

Jim Tressel, on the other hand, would be one of the most highly qualified AD candidates of all time.
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The guys who were hired at Michigan were all a disaster. They brought in RichRod and Brady Hoke.
Alabama's AD is a career businessman too. Pat Haden at USC is a lawyer who ran a private equity firm for 30 years. Rob Mullens at Oregon came from Ernst & Young. They've done alright at those schools.
 
Yep, just what every school needs to lead it's athletic programs- a sanctimonious douche bag with no regards to rules and ethics. It's funny to me how people buy into his act.

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Nah, what we need is another Scott Barnes, a guy who never wanted to be here in the first place, and couldn't wait to move along. Wannstedt isn't smart enough to run an athletic department in this day and age, and he has ZERO experience with complex budgetary issues, so he'd be a great choice as well. Maybe you should look at what an AD actually does, then look at Tressel's resume. Then tell me who we could realistically get who might be as good or better for the job.

But don't worry, Pitt has a long and storied history of hiring the wrong people for important jobs, so there's no way Pitt will hire Tressel.
 
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Alabama's AD is a career businessman too. Pat Haden at USC is a lawyer who ran a private equity firm for 30 years. Rob Mullens at Oregon came from Ernst & Young. They've done alright at those schools.
Pat Haden got fired. Oregon went downhill under Helfrich.
 
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