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He would've pulled a "Texas" and demanded an even greater inequitable revenue split, continued with friends and relatives referee'ing games, and been a pure toxic entity.
The thought of Joke Pa extending his influence even more by being a leader in a conference makes me want to wretch!
I am glad that Joke Pa's vision never came to fruition!
I can assure you that I am not way off-base.
I'm glad your family is not filled with cultists; not the ones sticking 409 stickers on their cars and going through extreme mental gymnastics to defend the actions of Paterno and the institution, and threatening any person or outlet that dares impinge on their perceived untarnished image of it. Carlisle is a bit further away from the epicenter of the mess than where I spend most of my time in central PA. I can assure that my experiences with the population there do not seem to mirror yours. I feel extremely bad for the non-cultist Penn State alumni.
And if you don't get unhinged by covering up 30 years of child rape, then what does one get unhinged about?
The facts are most of the PSU supporters are all in on the celebration of all things Paterno despite the cover up, yes that is exactly what happened, as if he is a near God. No matter the fact the insurer is in court due to the non disclosure of paid settlements due to Sandusky for years. There is nothing that will change that narrative no matter how much evidence suggests paterno knew far more than he let on.
That is the very heart of the matter. Paterno grew to be so powerful and was feared by all PSU people including the President and Board of Trustees. Numerous threats by Paterno to employees and the University at large is exactly why treating this pig with any respect is misguided and wrong. But then again that is why Moo U is so little regarded by the Big Ten.
That is the very heart of the matter. Paterno grew to be so powerful and was feared by all PSU people including the President and Board of Trustees. Numerous threats by Paterno to employees and the University at large is exactly why treating this pig with any respect is misguided and wrong. But then again that is why Moo U is so little regarded by the Big Ten.
"chethejet, post: 1520969, member: 4178"]The facts are most of the PSU supporters are all in on the celebration of all things Paterno despite the cover up, yes that is exactly what happened, as if he is a near God. No matter the fact the insurer is in court due to the non disclosure of paid settlements due to Sandusky for years. There is nothing that will change that narrative no matter how much evidence suggests paterno knew far more than he let on. That is the very heart of the matter. Paterno grew to be so powerful and was feared by all PSU people including the President and Board of Trustees. Numerous threats by Paterno to employees and the University at large is exactly why treating this pig with any respect is misguided and wrong. But then again that is why Moo U is so little regarded by the Big Ten.
It is called Lack of Institutional Control and Sanctions stood the reduced due to the Penn State 2012 Athletic Integrity Reforms, that the Penn state University football Program Paterno Era did not obey, implement, or follow!
The slogan "Restore The Roar" could not take place until Penn State University Restored Athletic Integrity in 2012 to correct the 1965-2011 Non-Compliance Era!
Sandusky Crimes exposed that the Penn State University Football Program was lacking Athletic Integrity Policies and once they were Approved in 2012 and Sanctions ended by 2014.
I see no reason not to play them now or in the future.
It is called Lack of Institutional Control and Sanctions stood the reduced due to the Penn State 2012 Athletic Integrity Reforms, that the Penn state University football Program Paterno Era did not obey, implement, or follow!
The slogan "Restore The Roar" could not take place until Penn State University Restored Athletic Integrity in 2012 to correct the 1965-2011 Non-Compliance Era!
Sandusky Crimes exposed that the Penn State University Football Program was lacking Athletic Integrity Policies and once they were Approved in 2012 and Sanctions ended by 2014.
I see no reason not to play them now or in the future.
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I also can assure you that the Paterno/PSU psycho's are not just the "old timers". I work with students and professionals in their 20's and I have yet to meet 1....not even 1 who had bad things to say about Paterno. The closest to condemming Paterno I got when I asked what they thought about his cover up was a shoulder shrug and him telling me that I wasn't there and I don't know what he was told or what he did that there's a lot of false rumors out there trying to tarnish PSU. It's sad. The overwhelming majority of them are a sad group of individuals that only care about football.....and then we got posters on here saying what happened is over, forget about it and lets play football!!! wow get real.
As much time and effort you put into discussing them continually on this website and you don't want to play them?
Absolutely. That as good as it gets. That is minimum of what 90%+ of say and it just gets worse from there. These are educated people that suspend facts and logic because of what they value they place on something so trivial. Could you imagine someone gave the same line about a Boston bishop? And this is just a football coach. This is NOT normal ANYWHERE.
To be fair, Joseph Vincent Paterno did build the Penn State University Football Program into a Top 25 Program Winning in the Top Ten. This included coming to Penn state in 1950 staying there for 15 Years before he came a Head Coach in 1965.
When he arrived in 1950 Penn State College was not even an University until 1954. Penn State's President Milton Eisenhower (Brother To President Eisenhower) also advanced Penn State Academics in Nuclear Engineering, Transportation Engineering, and Ceramic and Composites Material Sciences. All that was Federally Funded during the 1950 Era , as Pitt was curing Polio.Penn State was already a leader in Agricultural, Weather, and Defense Contracting and only expanded those areas.
Once Joe Paterno became Head coach and started to win within two years of his appointment he went 22-0 and Winning Streak 31-0. The Admission Numbers with 20 Branch Campuses grew exponentially along with the Stadium, Rosters, Scholarships, and University Student Enrollment!
Bama's Head Coach Nick Saban winning the last few years 4 NCS Titles as the University of Alabama Enrollments for the first in its History admitted more Out-of-State Students than In-State. This means bigger buck$ Academically and Athletically since Out-of-State Tuition is much higher. Paterno did the same for Penn State and because it is adored by its Worldwide Alumni up until 2014.
However, what many of the Worldwide Alumni simply don't know, refuse to accept, and outright ignore and can't accept they did wit without Athletic Integrity because Joe used Slogans, Public Relations, and Speeches on talking Academics but even his Graduation rates were never 100% and some years below 70% but had more years over it.
Moreover, Joe grew bigger than the University because he was in Business with some Trustees often Undisclosed, and stayed too long,could not be removed, and was great at raising money. Joe had much Success but far less Honor!
The Sandusky Crimes exposed and revealed Penn State University Football Program during the Paterno Era had no Athletic Integrity Agreement, No Code of Conduct for Players, Treated Differently than Students, Non-Compliance with Federal Educational and Athletic Laws on Title IX, Clery Act and Undisclosed Conflicts of Interests of Federal Funding and why they were given NCAA Sanctions. This is what brought Shame to Penn State Name and Shamed Paterno Name too
This required 116 of 119 Recommendations that also included The Penn State 2012 Reform under a NCAA Monitor Oversight and were implemented so fast and so good the Sanctions were reduced and today is a Model of Excellence. Now Penn State has Honor but less Success!
The Penn State Worldwide Alumni always ignore or just don't know about these Reforms and the PSU CULTure of football thinks nothing ever happen the NCAA Sanctions have been revoked, and blame the PSU Trustees, Former President & AD that Cleaned it all up, the Media, All Lawyer's, Victims, McQueary and anyone that dares to tell the truth.
There are still Civil Lawsuits, Unsealed Victim's Documents, and Pending Criminal Trials, Insurance Payment Disputes, and all will be settled, decided, or outcome this and next year.
The Older Alumni think Joe Paterno is a Saint and Victim of the Hateful Media and did nothing wrong. They want Paterno to be Honored and bring the Statue back but Unsealed information of the Voices of Victims is fear for them.
The Current Students since 2012 wonder why they have to take so many Hours of Children Abuse Protection Orientation before they can take a class. They have no idea why they are attacked since they have less memory of Paterno every year.
The Trustees are divided as well as the Fan Base and more time is needed to overcome the SUCCESS Paterno Brought to Penn State Football but there no HONOR in the way the University Name was Shamed at the same time.
It is what it is!
Old man Munster was in charge which is funny in itself. I am proud of The University of PITTsburgh.
Paterno made a huge mistake choosing the Big Ten. It is great for keeping the money flowing but it has reduced Penn State winning bigger than anyone expected. Penn State winning the Big Ten is on par with Northwestern, Illinois, and Purdue, and that is below Michigan, Wisconsin, MSU, Iowa, and Ohio State.
Paterno leaving Penn State with a Big Scandal on his watch even if it was not all his fault is also proof he hurt Penn State football future. Regrettably, Paterno got his 409 Fame but at the great expense of Penn State Name, leaving far more Shame as well as far less winning since 1993?
Pitt is going to be very challenging in College Football to Penn State and has a far easier time in becoming a Top 25 Program again in the ACC Coastal. Penn State will have a far harder time maintaining Top 25 winning in the Big Ten East against Michigan, MSU, and Ohio State. At the same time, Cuse, Pitt, BC, WVU, Virginia and Virginia Tech are rising again.
It is Penn State that is really going to be hurt and staying up with Michigan, MSU and Ohio State and with more competition from Rutgers and Maryland as well ACC Teams?
Moreover, Maryland and Rutgers now has access to Big Ten Money, this means New Jersey, Maryland recruits will no longer be in the Pipeline to Penn State in the same numbers as before like under Paterno.
Whether JF can beat Meyer, Dantonio, and Harbaugh has not been seen yet, maybe he can, so be it, then I am wrong. I just have a Hunch he can't and they recruit better than Franklin.
Under Paterno. Penn State could have been a Top Tier Team in the ACC, but it is not one anymore in the Big Ten, and even their much-loved Paterno could not maintain it, neither will Jimmy Franklin
Penn State will continue to struggle to keep up in the future and they can thank Joe Paterno for that diminished legacy too!
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Not many people love the Steelers more than me. If it ever came out that Noll or Rooney were involved in a child rape coverup....i'd go piss on their grave. Franco used to be a favorite of our family as a player...he's now despised by every member of my household. Paterno is a fraud, a criminal, pure evil. He deserved to suffer a much more painful death than he received. He will rot in hell for eternity.
I will not disagree nor disrespect the values of others and and accept your views are just as equal as anyone including my own. What you say is also fair and accurate.
I just separate Paterno's coaching from his Running the corrupt Program with no oversight that allowed him to ignore the children.
If Penn State had proper oversight over Joe, the AD when he first heard in 1971 would have told Joe...Gerry has to be investigated. If Joe would have said, "I run this Program", AD Tarman should have said, let's go see President Joyner? I don't know what Joyner would have done, but if I was Tarman, he tells him, call the police, or I will, and I am gone if Joe is over me?
Joe also could have at that time tell Gerry you're gone I don't a distraction, but he chose to believe Gerry over children? Joe admitted in hindsight he should have done more! Joe did die in disgrace an cried about his ruined reputation!
I also feel Penn State University has been able to clean up its Joe's Program under them, paid compensation, and is still paying millions to keep Penn State Reforms enforced to protect Children.
To me, PSU is trying to clean up its name and Joe can't anymore since the Victim's Voices of Pain and Rage will outlast Joe's Words and now shout even louder today and tomorrow.
In the meantime and aftermath not one Current PSU Players, Coach, Student at PSU today did anything wrong, and why I say time to play again. Up to Pitt & PSU, not me! I accept others and disagree!
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I can't imagine abdicating all principles and suspending all moral/ethical standards simply for the sake of supporting a corrupt football coach. Yet the vast majority of them have staked their self esteem to phone Jo Pa. Jopa defines a selfish disregard of basic humanity all for his own hypocritical and phone self image as the Grand Experimenter LOL!
Just don't want the mouth breathers in our stadium. F the diploma machine.
Honestly, it's a tough one for people in PA. I live next door to a guy who didn't go to college. Neither did his father. He's an absolute PSU loyalist, 409Forever and JOEPA bumper stickers. His daughter spent four years at Penn State freaking BEHREND and is the most insanely pro-JoePA human I've ever encountered, which is kind of like going to University of Hawaii - Siberia and then acting like you truly know what it's like to live on the edge of the Sahara. It's impossible to even discuss anything regarding college sports with them without it turning in to a lecture on the grand experiment, JoePa, how JoePa was wronged, and subtle white supremacy.
In answer to that Pitt fan on this thread who doesn't seem like much of a Pitt fan I'll only say I've found as I grow older that I distance myself from those who are so easily seduced by the need to associate with a sports team, be it Penn State, the Steelers, Penguins, or even PITT. People who can't see truth, who can't admit reality, who value logos and box scores and consumerism more than true friendship and understanding aren't those I want to associate with.
Trust me, virtually every PSU person I've encountered is in some state of denial. I have yet to meet one PSU person who is willing to say "Joe probably knew, didn't have a clue what the F to do, and yeah it was a real mess and I'm sad and totally embarrassed it ever happened".
I have yet to meet a PSU graduate or t-shirt fan willing to admit that it's extremely likely Joe Paterno (whether old school man who just couldn't understand a sociopath as advanced as Sandusky - or sociopath more consumed by his own legacy than by the lives of innocents) may have swept this under the rug since the 70's. And if you can't look me in the eye and honestly say "Joe very well may have known", then we can't be friends. We may be neighbors or even related - but trust me - we can't be friends because I simply cant trust that you are intelligent enough or humble enough to admit simple truths because it runs counter to your personal canon, because you for some reason need a hero so badly. And in the end that's what this is all about.
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None of this is possible, Paterno was "just" a football coach. How could some mere football coach set up and run his own conference.
Squeeze as much money out of this as possible I guess. Feels dirty.
These don't feel nearly as dirty.
They were trying to get sponsorship for the River City Rivalry too. Had a website set up and a logo ready to go, and then the ACC happened.
These don't feel nearly as dirty.
They were trying to get sponsorship for the River City Rivalry too. Had a website set up and a logo ready to go, and then the ACC happened.
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Youre just bummed we don't have Wake or NCSU on the schedule this year. Fear not, we still get Carolina and Duke.
Cincy is back on the schedule in a couple years.
But if was going to brand something in the ACC, I think I'd brand Pitt-Syracuse.
Yeah. The River City Rivalry was probably the low point for Pitt football. In a feeble and transparent attempt to generate some--make that any-interest in a basketball league full of football small timers, TV decided it needed to invent a rivalry betwen the only school in that league that had a long, proud football history but that had lost its two traditional rivals, and a program that was a mid-major like 15 years ago. That was great. And to add insult to injury, they pretty much owned our asses.Squeeze as much money out of this as possible I guess. Feels dirty.
These don't feel nearly as dirty.
They were trying to get sponsorship for the River City Rivalry too. Had a website set up and a logo ready to go, and then the ACC happened.
We were still playing WVU and Notre Dame. The Big East era series with Cincy ended 4-4.
Even in the year Pitt suffered the most crushing loss of the series, in front of a sold out crowd in front of what may have been the largest TV audience for a Big East game during that era, Pitt went on to win its bowl game, finish in the top 15 of both polls, and got to 10 wins for the only time in the past 23 years. That is not even remotely close to being near any low point. In the last 40 years, the low point was indisputably reached in 1996, the end of a five year stretch where Pitt went 15-41 (.268), was outscored by 732 points, and never finished in the top half of the Big East.
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Absolutely agree. 1996 was an absolutely awful year. Watching that OSU game was like swallowing poison for three hours.
Bobby Petrino banged a hot blonde , while cheating on his wife, not good, but he was treated much worse by his school and fan base. ARKANSAS administration and fanbase was very pissed when this went down. He at least REALLY got fired, before allowed to go back to Louisville. The CULT didn't want Paterno fired or even admonished, and he knew about his staff member banging kids, not hot blondes!
That one is just as contrived and ridiculous, but at least it doesn't involve a mid-major with no football credibility. The attenpted PSU/MSU rivalry was invented by the B10 specifically for PSU, since they gave up their traditional rivalry game, jagoffs that they are. MSU plays its arch-rival every single year, they don't care what the B10 calls their game against PSU. Can you imagine MSU not playing Michigan anymore? That's whet Pitt not playing PSU and WVU is to some of us.
It never made sense to me why the Big East didn't take those John Cheney Temple teams into the basketball league, they where 110% Big East worthy at the time. Why was that?
Well I live in Altoona area and I can tell you for a fact there are some serious nut jobs that wear blue and white including a few that believe that Jerry is innocent and Joe did nothing wrong. Is that normal? Heck no!!!!!!! Not to mention one that I would call a friend who has a Joe Pa cutout in his living room and pretty much treats it like a family pet. Is that normal?
I'm a true Pitt fan but I don't have a cutout of Johnny or Jackie standing in my living room either.
I have a friend with a JoePa cutout in his basement, and little PSU helmets as his Christmas tree ornaments, I've made fun of that stuff and we laugh, it's no big deal, he's a good guy, nice family, etc. I like him.
Some school out on Route 30 (which is Lancaster Avenue in the Philadelphia area) exercised an embargo.
Gotcha, sad, that prevented them from making BE hoops even stronger at that time.
What Petrino did was TOTALLY LEGAL, he should not have been punished or fired or anything. Cheating on a spouse is not illegal, and once someone turns 18, you can be 81 and it's TOTALLY LEGAL for you to BANG THEM.
Pitt was a football small timer then, even Cincy was MORE successful than Pitt in the final years of the BE.
The answer to your question is spelled V-I-L-L-A-N-O-V-A and their Catholic Cabal Cohorts.
And for the record, put me in the camp that wants to play PSU in any and every competition available. I want to see Pitt beat their asses everywhere. And when they turn up their collective noses whether it be wrapped in the guise of financial considerations, scheduling inflexibility, or feigned concern for public safety, I want to call them out for what they really are - chickenshit.
Unless you have a morals clause in your employment contract, which I assume most college coaches do, designed to ensure that the actions of the individual either in the course of discharging their paid duties or otherwise do not bring shame upon the institution. He was fired with cause. Hell, here in PA he could have been fired for wearing the wrong color socks and it would hold up in court.
With 9 conference games and the necessity for 7 home games, it just becomes impossible for PSU to schedule a long series with Pitt. I'm surprised that this four game series got scheduled to be honest with you.
I think what you should look for is a two game series every 8 years or so. I would like to see the rivalry go on, but it's not going to be an every-year thing.
I think what you should look for is a two game series every 8 years or so. I would like to see the rivalry go on, but it's not going to be an every-year thing.
