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Duzz a MSU coaching candidate

Heather wouldn’t do that. If Michigan State wants Duzz, she’s going to take the buyout money and find a coach she feels is best for the program long term. I don’t see Heather doing the stop gap thing.

I can't even imagine Michigan State paying that buyout for Narduzzi. You can find a Narduzzi on every street corner in Coachtown. He'd end up being more expensive than Tucker at that price (buyout + salary), which is like dropping Lamborghini money on a Ford Fusion.
 
In this thread, one post said he was a "good fit" for us, another said hiring him was a "no brainer," and a third said he is the "most likely the guy" here.
I actually meant that I think Huff is going to be one of the main choices for MSU.
 
That's a garbage list. If it's legit (which is doubtful with names like Enos and House on it), and if MSU ends up hiring anyone on that list that isn't named Elko, they're F'd for a LOOOOONNNNNG time.
 
Honestly, Pat stabilized the position post Wanny when we were doing some really dumb stuff like hiring Haywood and Todd Graham. But, like I’ve said before, he seems to have gotten stale. If Dantonio is involved at all, I would guess Pat would get a high recommendation. I guess we’ll see, but Pat’s got big problems here now.
Dantonio had the juice with MSU to hand pick his successor when he retired. He could have made the Duzzi hire happen then if he wanted to. Instead, MSU begged Luke Fickell to take that job put on the full court press, flew his family in, offered him a shitpile of $$, etc. etc. They were certain they had him right up until he said "no thanks." They really had no Plan B and were then left scrambling through the dustheap for a HC. Duzz was never a serious candidate.

I'd be very surprised if he as now, or if anyone else on that list other than Elko is. I think Elko will get an offer and say no, and my prediction is they end up with a coach who isn't on that list or any of the other guess lists out there.--just like they did when they surprise-hired Tucker.

Dan Enos? He stepped in and ruined Central Michigan's decade run of excellence under kelly and Butch Jones overnight, and CMU ran him out of town on a rail.

House? Please.

Tressel is in line for a HC job somehere, but I doubt his first one will be there.
 
What exactly is this guy trying to say. I mean, if this is their "wish list" of coaching candidates, who cares? If this are people that have contacted the program or have been contacted and expressed interest, that's different. I really don't think that Pat Narduzzi would be dumb enough to take the MSU job. He will NEVER win a Big 10 title there, at Pitt, he already has won an ACC Championship.
Anything is possible, but I highly doubt there is any real interest on Narduzzi's end.
So here's the inevitable poster who thinks Duzzi is too good for MSU, the Pitt job is preferable to it, and Duzzi's primary motivation to take a new job would be to win a league title, versus to cash the biggest paycheck he can.

Awesome stuff. The things I read on this board......
 
The program needs better recruits.
People can talk about getting over the hump and recruit better but with the limited info available Pitt basically gets what they pay for.

There is not going to be a sustained jump in recruiting no matter who the coach is unless Pitt decides to add more money to the budget.

 
Capel has generally been a colossal failure here. 0-19 one year wasn't a death knell that required five years to build back up from.
How quickly did other teams take to go from winless in conference play to the tourney?? I’ll wait. BC is still waiting…Iowa State did much more quickly, but I forgot who they lost to in the tourney this year.
 
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How quickly did other teams take to go from winless in conference play to the tourney?? I’ll wait. BC is still waiting…

This. Isn't. Football. The rosters change so much every year. BC has sucked about as long before 0-18 than they have after it. They haven't gone to the tournament because they're a junk program, not because they didn't win a conference game one year. Louisville was 2-18 last season. Wanna bet it doesn't take five years of sucking for them to get back to half-decent basketball?

Good on Capel for turning things around (at least for one year) and likely resetting the clock on him. I like the guy and want him to succeed. But he'd have been fired before last season at a lot of places.
 
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At first I thought MSU would try to make a splashy hire, now I can see them being dumb enough to take Foge 2.0 off our hands.
 
Good on Capel for turning things around (at least for one year) and likely resetting the clock on him. I like the guy and want him to succeed. But he'd have been fired before last season at a lot of places.
I think he was afforded some patience due to horrific shape the program was in. If he can continue to improve, I'm certain he'll be here for a long time.
 
People can talk about getting over the hump and recruit better but with the limited info available Pitt basically gets what they pay for.

There is not going to be a sustained jump in recruiting no matter who the coach is unless Pitt decides to add more money to the budget.


If we aren't paying for a football stadium or to maintain one, then spend the money on recruiting. It's not hard.
 
I can't even imagine Michigan State paying that buyout for Narduzzi. You can find a Narduzzi on every street corner in Coachtown. He'd end up being more expensive than Tucker at that price (buyout + salary), which is like dropping Lamborghini money on a Ford Fusion.

Narduzzi has gotten stale. Sometimes you need a change just to re-energize the fan base. We certainly could do worse than Narduzzi but the Pitt program has a high floor. Its pretty hard to do worse than 6-6 or 7-5 so I dont see them hiring someone who will tank the program. Recruiting has been embarrassingly bad. They need a young, hungry coach to come in and really help to raise money for NIL and start winning a few of those battles vs the bigger programs like Wanny used to or like younger Duzz used to.
 
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Narduzzi has gotten stale. Sometimes you need a change just to re-energize the fan base. We certainly could do worse than Narduzzi but the Pitt program has a high floor. Its pretty hard to do worse than 6-6 or 7-5 so I dont see them hiring someone who will tank the program. Recruiting has been embarrassingly bad. They need a young, hungry coach to come in and really help to raise money for NIL and start winning a few of those battles vs the bigger programs like Wanny used to or like younger Duzz used to.

I was speaking from the MSU standpoint.

But I don't see how people can look at Virginia Tech, Virginia, Boston College, and Georgia Tech and think that can't be us. Of course it can be. And it can happen with or without Narduzzi leaving. We had a (much higher) floor in basketball, too, until we didn't.
 
MSU needs a reputation boost and Duzz runs a clean program. He would also drive the arrogant HC's of the B1G nuts with his not so subtle jabs. Style of play fits. No idea what they'll do but it would be interesting to watch.
They also would know he would basically be an extension of DAntonio, who they had a good experience with, and who is there now as some ‘executive advisor’ or whatever. It could be kind of an Alvarez / Christ thing that Wisconsin had. That didn’t end swimmingly for Wisky, but they got a couple Rose Bowls out of it there. MSU might see it as a good “clean” transition period for a couple years to steady the situation. Then again, those two also were there during the whole brouhaha with the nasty gymnastics doc. So that might be a negative.

Who knows … actually I think we DO know, he would be way way down on the list for them. But the others above him might want nothing to do with their train wreck at the moment.
 
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I was speaking from the MSU standpoint.

But I don't see how people can look at Virginia Tech, Virginia, Boston College, and Georgia Tech and think that can't be us. Of course it can be. And it can happen with or without Narduzzi leaving. We had a (much higher) floor in basketball, too, until we didn't.
I think we are a lot closer to the programs you mentioned than we are to Clemson, Florida State.
 
Narduzzi recruited the WPIAL better when he was at MSU than he has here.
Payola, prestige, payola, commitment, payola. These are the influencers; then and now. He was the guy delivering it but nobody would have been sold solely by him. If it were true he’d have continued to do fine with Pitt. But we don’t pay and nobody is impressed by our conference, by our crowds, by our bare-minimum commitment to men’s revenue sports etc.

If we amped the booster money here, we’d recruit better with Duz ( or anyone), but we’re clearly being left behind right now as far as money. When that happens, his dull offenses and boring style he wants to play and his doofus demeanor then likely do have a negative impact.

The problem with amping the money is that it would likely just draw us closer to our enemies, not beyond them (they all care much, much more about football). The competing schools would then just tweak up their own cash to stay far ahead. We really can’t win the long game with money alone.

So we DO appear to be slipping behind with Duz and to hope to compete, we need some flash, some dash, some get in the fast lane, speed speed speed … OMG what am I saying…
 
I'm not sure MSU is that attractive a job. Maybe Elko just wants to cash in while he can but if I was him I'd wait for an SEC opening.
It’s a mess and anyone saying different is lying

People acting excited over another rebuild have incredibly short memories or attention spans
 
I don’t see MSU interested in Narduzzi either. We’re in a near total spiral right now and Duz has handled the whole thing horribly. He has been snide in what he’s said about the fans, and has said flat out stupid things (not spending any time with the offense, etc). Refusing to bench Jurk but far is the most ridiculous though. He would be a very tough sell to their boosters right now. For good reason.

BUT… interesting hypothetical …

I think we all mostly agree that with even average, possibly even less, QB play we’d be 3-1. All else is equal, simply slightly better QB play.

Would THAT record have MSU interested?

I say “Not too much” but not ruling him out either.

Second hypothetical: Slightly above average to above average QB play should have given us a solid shot to beat UNC too (again all else equal).

Does 4-0 including beating a ranked team (and ranked ourselves) have them interested?

I say yes.

It really is remarkable how much swings on QB play (and a coach’s willingness to switch them when the first one sucks)
I can’t believe after last week anyone is complaining about “not benching Jurkovec”

I saw nothing that second half to make me believe there’s a viable replacement
 
I can’t believe after last week anyone is complaining about “not benching Jurkovec”

I saw nothing that second half to make me believe there’s a viable replacement
CV had zero prep to be thrown in against a ranked team that was scoring on us at will. He had an uphill climb in that game. Jurkovec had all the prep as the anointed starter all summer and the first four weeks.

Plus Jurk was not good at all in the NC game. He merely didn’t suck as badly as he did the first three games. He threw for 100 yards. A freaking hundred yards. The only play of note, the pass to Bart, was an amazing catch of an awful throw. It should have been a td if thrown properly. He was pathetic. He has no future here either, so nothing to hope for in coming seasons to justify playing him. Jurk needs to be done.

CV may well stink too but it is way too premature to say that. Not for Jurk though. He’s hopeless.
 
CV had zero prep to be thrown in against a ranked team that was scoring on us at will. He had an uphill climb in that game. Jurkovec had all the prep as the anointed starter all summer and the first four weeks.

Plus Jurk was not good at all in the NC game. He merely didn’t suck as badly as he did the first three games. He threw for 100 yards. A freaking hundred yards. The only play of note, the pass to Bart, was an amazing catch of an awful throw. It should have been a td if thrown properly. He was pathetic. He has no future here either, so nothing to hope for in coming seasons to justify playing him. Be beds to be done.

CV may well stink
He threw for 80!for the entire game against WVU… after that 100 for a half isn’t bad . They got 14 points on two drives. What screwed the pooch was special teams essentially giving up 14 points 7 directly on a return the other a 25 yard return setting them up with great field position.

Pitt isn’t built at all to come from behind… there’s the problem.

That and a defense who couldn’t force a 3 and out from their 2 yd line. That entire series was horrible.

Not saying Jurkovec was great at all but he certainly was serviceable
 
He threw for 80!for the entire game against WVU… after that 100 for a half isn’t bad . They got 14 points on two drives. What screwed the pooch was special teams essentially giving up 14 points 7 directly on a return the other a 25 yard return setting them up with great field position.

Pitt isn’t built at all to come from behind… there’s the problem.

That and a defense who couldn’t force a 3 and out from their 2 yd line. That entire series was horrible.

Not saying Jurkovec was great at all but he certainly was serviceable
We are actually agreeing a lot more than disagreeing above. And you will definitely win this battle, because Jurk will play, and play and play, as long as he is even remotely able. Duz is determined on that note. But we’re all going to lose the war.
 
I was speaking from the MSU standpoint.

But I don't see how people can look at Virginia Tech, Virginia, Boston College, and Georgia Tech and think that can't be us. Of course it can be. And it can happen with or without Narduzzi leaving. We had a (much higher) floor in basketball, too, until we didn't.

BC and GT arent us. They don't have blow-off majors. Hard to recruit kids that have to take real majors. UVa has sucked forever and doesn't really care about football. VT, yea, that could be us. I thought Fuente was a good hire but honestly he was just a little worse than Duzz (minus the 11-2 year). Pry sucks but I knew that the second I heard him talk. Seems like an uneducated hillbilly gym teacher. Dont make that mistake.
 
Narduzzi has done a great job at this school and brought a lot of stability. Never forget where this program was when he took over. For those who say he could be easily replaced, was it that long ago that we pushed Jamie Dixon out the door?
 
Narduzzi has done a great job at this school and brought a lot of stability. Never forget where this program was when he took over. For those who say he could be easily replaced, was it that long ago that we pushed Jamie Dixon out the door?

That's one way to look at it. Another is that Pitt got out of their own way and stopped making terrible hires.

1. Hire the right coach (start with Urban Meyer or Chris Peterson).
2. Give him huge resources to create a playoff caliber program.
3. Get invite to the SEC or BIG when the $#-@ hits the fan.
4. Reap financial rewards.

I would do the same with basketball. There's literally billions at stake.
 
That's one way to look at it. Another is that Pitt got out of their own way and stopped making terrible hires.

1. Hire the right coach (start with Urban Meyer or Chris Peterson).
2. Give him huge resources to create a playoff caliber program.
3. Get invite to the SEC or BIG when the $#-@ hits the fan.
4. Reap financial rewards.

I would do the same with basketball. There's literally billions at stake.
What percentage of schools basically have terrible hires though? 50%? 75%?

There’s like 10 schools who have “great hires”… and about 4-5 schools with an actual shot at the National Championship. Yearly.
 
Narduzzi has done a great job at this school and brought a lot of stability. Never forget where this program was when he took over. For those who say he could be easily replaced, was it that long ago that we pushed Jamie Dixon out the door?
I agree with you. On the other hand I have become convinced that the ceiling with Duzz is not as high as we fans want it to be. His offensive preferences are not conducive to high scoring. In this era of college football elite teams average 40+ points a game. He had an offensive in 2021 that hit that average and he quickly moved away from it. Like others have stated, I don’t want him to go but if he does, I see it as an opportunity to upgrade. Sure it is a risk but it would be Duzz’s decision to put us in that position.
 
CV had zero prep to be thrown in against a ranked team that was scoring on us at will. He had an uphill climb in that game. Jurkovec had all the prep as the anointed starter all summer and the first four weeks.

Plus Jurk was not good at all in the NC game. He merely didn’t suck as badly as he did the first three games. He threw for 100 yards. A freaking hundred yards. The only play of note, the pass to Bart, was an amazing catch of an awful throw. It should have been a td if thrown properly. He was pathetic. He has no future here either, so nothing to hope for in coming seasons to justify playing him. Jurk needs to be done.

CV may well stink too but it is way too premature to say that. Not for Jurk though. He’s hopeless.
This is no defense of Phil, but I've seen this throw referenced multiple times and it's a ridiculous take. The throw to Bart was where it needed to be. Bart made it look bad by turning himself 270 degrees around (even backpedaling for several steps) while all he needed to do was turn and look over his left shoulder. In his defense he probably expected it to be underthrown...

If that ball is thrown inside it brings the safety (who was headed that way) into play. It was actually a very nice play design out of a condensed set off play action, but nobody wants to talk about that. Instead it's being labeled a bad throw.

I agree it's unfair to judge CV this early, but until the staff thinks CV gives them a better chance to win, Phil is going to start.
 
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It's hilarious the homogenization of Capel's tenure here to be some sort of feather in Lyke's cap. He's been mostly terrible the entire tenure with multiple issues off the court. If Hugley doesn't quit midseason and he doesnt have covid years from 4 6th year senior guards, Pitt probably wouldn't have played themselves to the last 4 in. He's still 35-59 in the ACC.

If their track records were reversed, we would be breaking the bank to keep the basketball coach. I'm fine with moving on from Narduzzi because I think by year 8 if you haven't taken the leap to the national stage it isn't going to happen and he had his chance and blew it. But to relitigate Capel's abysmal tenure as some sort of feather in her cap is absurd. There's no telling how the football coaching search would go.
 
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Narduzzi has done a great job at this school and brought a lot of stability. Never forget where this program was when he took over. For those who say he could be easily replaced, was it that long ago that we pushed Jamie Dixon out the door?

You don't fire him. But if MSU wants to send a Brinks truck in buyout 💰, you thank them and try to hire a better coach. He is a 7-5 dude without Kenny Covid + Addison and we're never going to have 2 1st Rounders at those positions on the same team again
 
What percentage of schools basically have terrible hires though? 50%? 75%?

There’s like 10 schools who have “great hires”… and about 4-5 schools with an actual shot at the National Championship. Yearly.

Start with proven good coaches. Meyer and Peterson. When you consider that there are billions at stake and that it could help get into one of the big two conferences, then it sholdn't be a tough decision for Pitt.
 
BC and GT arent us. They don't have blow-off majors. Hard to recruit kids that have to take real majors. UVa has sucked forever and doesn't really care about football. VT, yea, that could be us. I thought Fuente was a good hire but honestly he was just a little worse than Duzz (minus the 11-2 year). Pry sucks but I knew that the second I heard him talk. Seems like an uneducated hillbilly gym teacher. Dont make that mistake.

Well regardless of who has more inherent advantages, we can still be those schools. It's only been in the last five years or so that we distinctly passed GT as a football program in the time I've been following college football.

At the end of the day, I don't see Narduzzi as any better or worse than Fuente, Hafley, Collins, etc. He's kind of in the the "Average Joe but he's our Average Joe" category. Those guys may catch breaks and stick around for a while of they may get fired after a handful of years. But I don't want to start over in the portal era. You'll lose half your roster, and once you're down there is no guarantee you'll get back up off the mat for a long time.
 
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