Education funding

[Sean Miller Fan]

"Among the four state-related universities, Penn State would get the highest percentage increase, 21.9 percent increase to $282.5 million. The University of Pittsburgh would receive a 10.9 percent boost to $151.2 million; Temple University would get a 7 percent increase to $155.4 million, and Lincoln would see a 7 percent increase to $14.1 million. The 14 state-owned universities belonging to the State System of Higher Education would see an 11 percent boost to $458.1 million."

Huge disparity there. I wonder if this is to account for their $60 million "fine" which will be kept within the state anyway.

 

[JHud986]

I would like wolf to answer why the perverts are getting 21% increase and everyone else is at 10%?

 

[DruidTM]

Someone answer when will the trials start?

Obviously they are hoping either people will forget (they won't) or the accused will just die off (they might at this rate)....

Where is Ganim when you need some real reporting...?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Originally posted by JHud986:

I would like wolf to answer why the perverts are getting 21% increase and everyone else is at 10%?

This is why I always hated the $60 million fine as part of the NCAA penalty. Fining a state-related university is fining citizens of the Commonwealth. We are all paying their fine as well as the tens of millions in legal fees to sue the NCAA.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Originally posted by DruidTM:
Someone answer when will the trials start?

Obviously they are hoping either people will forget (they won't) or the accused will just die off (they might at this rate)....

Where is Ganim when you need some real reporting...?

Really? At this point? Nobody cares anymore. There won't be trials. They are probably negotiating plea deals and that's what's taking so long. They'll all get community service.

 

[HailtoPitt]

The battle was already fought...

And it looks like Penn State has been working hard behind the scenes. Pitt...????

 

[pittdan77]

Without the truther's bid to unseat Corbett, Wolf doesn't get elected. Payback.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Payback to who?
Pa taxpayers?
A real life world exists outside of Lubrano World.

 

[rojo36]

Maybe you don't care, but others do !!

 

[raleighpanther]

This will shock everyone, but when this news was posted on BWI, the first response was -- How much of this extra money do you think the athletic department will get?

 

[NTOP]

Won't happen that way. This budget won't fly.

No real cuts, just moving tax peas around under walnut shells. Wolf has always wanted higher taxes to spend foolishly.

 

[ERICCARTMAN]

PSU have been masters at getting larger PA increases

than the other state related schools for a long.. long time. They know how to "work the halls." and are now well positioned with Wolf as Governor and Jake Corman in the Senate.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Re: Won't happen that way. This budget won't fly.

Originally posted by NTOP:
Wolf has always wanted higher taxes to spend foolishly.

That may be true but he wouldn't have been elected if Corbett didn't cut education to bare bones levels. What a moron. Its almost as if he deliberately tried to lose re-election and honestly, if it comes out 10 or 20 years from now that Corbett had no intention of winning re-election but just wanted to cut education for the principle of it or whatever, that would sound about right to me.

 

[pitt-girl]

Re: Won't happen that way. This budget won't fly.

Originally posted by Sean Miller Fan:

Originally posted by NTOP:
Wolf has always wanted higher taxes to spend foolishly.

That may be true but he wouldn't have been elected if Corbett didn't cut education to bare bones levels. What a moron. Its almost as if he deliberately tried to lose re-election and honestly, if it comes out 10 or 20 years from now that Corbett had no intention of winning re-election but just wanted to cut education for the principle of it or whatever, that would sound about right to me.

NTOP's right - this budget will NEVER pass. i see this going into mid-July, aka the Rendell years, when the proposed budgets were ridiculous and it came down to the wire. Nobody wins. SMF - it's not like Corbett woke up one day as some evil man who purposely wanted to "cut education for the principle of it". But Corbett blew it. I support cost cutting and sacrifices have to be made in this Commonwealth sooner or later as we are going bankrupt, but not privatizing the State Stores was a wasted, wasted opportunity.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Re: Won't happen that way. This budget won't fly.

Originally posted by pitt-girl:

Originally posted by Sean Miller Fan:

Originally posted by NTOP:
Wolf has always wanted higher taxes to spend foolishly.

That may be true but he wouldn't have been elected if Corbett didn't cut education to bare bones levels. What a moron. Its almost as if he deliberately tried to lose re-election and honestly, if it comes out 10 or 20 years from now that Corbett had no intention of winning re-election but just wanted to cut education for the principle of it or whatever, that would sound about right to me.

NTOP's right - this budget will NEVER pass. i see this going into mid-July, aka the Rendell years, when the proposed budgets were ridiculous and it came down to the wire. Nobody wins. SMF - it's not like Corbett woke up one day as some evil man who purposely wanted to "cut education for the principle of it". But Corbett blew it. I support cost cutting and sacrifices have to be made in this Commonwealth sooner or later as we are going bankrupt, but not privatizing the State Stores was a wasted, wasted opportunity.

I dont think he was evil. He just hated the public school system (which many people do) and tried to literally destroy it by bankrupting poorer districts so those students could attend private schools and charter schools which have non-union teachers. I'm not saying that thought process is right or wrong as I'm not taking a side in that one (at least on this message board). Just that he had no chance to get re-elected when he did that. So, if he really wanted to get re-elected, he was a moron for slashing education. That's why I think he may have just done on that principle alone.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Fun fact.....

State spending on basic education (note that that does NOT include colleges and universities) increased every single year Tom Corbett was governor. The real morons are the ones who don't understand the difference between state and federal spending and who bought the lies being spread on the issue hook, line and sinker.

Now state spending on colleges and universities did drop under Corbett and I absolutely agree that was a mistake, but the fact is that most taxpayers in this state don't give a crap about that money being cut.

 

[NTOP]

Corbett DID NOT cut spending.

Rendell used stimulus $$ to pay to the unions. When that ran out.....Corbett increased levels from pre-stimulus years. The only MORON is someone who bought that lie from Wolf's campaign. If the shoe fits, wear it.

 

[NTOP]

You are clueless.*.

*

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Re: Fun fact.....

Originally posted by Joe the Panther Fan:
State spending on basic education (note that that does NOT include colleges and universities) increased every single year Tom Corbett was governor. The real morons are the ones who don't understand the difference between state and federal spending and who bought the lies being spread on the issue hook, line and sinker.

Now state spending on colleges and universities did drop under Corbett and I absolutely agree that was a mistake, but the fact is that most taxpayers in this state don't give a crap about that money being cut.

Corbett accepted federal stimulus money for education and gave it to the districts. He obviously must have felt the money was needed because if it wasn't, he could have turned it down, right? Washington wasn't twisting his arm to cash the check. So, when that money ran out, the education budget reverted back to pre-stimulus levels and the districts, who began living off of the stimulus money, started asking, "woah, where's our money?"

Maybe you could argue that Corbett shouldn't have accepted the stimulus money in the first place but once he did and gave it to the school districts, telling them a few years later that they are getting an astronomical paycut wasn't going to go over well no matter how you view it.

I agree that the Wolf campaign wasn't exactly honest with how they positioned Corbett's "cuts" but Corbett was dumb enough to accept the money and then think the school districts and union would be fine with them not increasing state education spending to similar levels when it ran out. Really a bonehead political mistake that cost him the election.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Sometimes people......

don't know things, and that's OK. You actually "know" things that are factually incorrect. That's worse.

Randell "accepted" the money from the feds. Everyone, literally everyone, knew that was a temporary measure that expired after two years. Some school districts were smart enough to plan for that. Others were stupid and assumed that despite being told otherwise that somehow the feds would continue sending the money or that the state would just magically find a pile of money laying around to send them instead. Oddly enough, that stupidity wasn't rewarded.

 

[CrazyPaco]

That sad part is, data has shown Pitt is by far the #1 ROI for higher ed

#1 ROI for higher education funding from the state when factoring in economic impact. It's not even close.

I'm sure the state has no qualms with Pitt and Temple's rate of tuition inflation being twice that of PSU then.

I'm all for Pitt pulling out of the farce of being a "public".
This post was edited on 3/4 6:30 PM by CrazyPaco

 

[CrazyPaco]

Re: PSU have been masters at getting larger PA increases

The cult extends to the legislature. These are the same sickos that sued the NCAA wasting taxpayer money and time. There's no chance of any sort of equivalence with that sort of overt, unchecked cronyism.

 

[409fold]

Do you have a link to that data?

Interested in seeing it.


PSU's tuition is out-of-control, there is no doubt about that. Been that way all the way back to the mid-90s (thanks Graham).


I'm actually not happy with the substantial bump that PSU is getting from Harrisburg, they are not encouraging fiscal responsibility in Central PA.


None of Penn State, Pittsburgh or Temple will ever go private. Each of our schools has its "mission statement", and going private is in contradiction of such.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Ped St needs this increase to support the renowned World Campus and the bus rides to the football games.

These are small buses...

 

[CrazyPaco]

Re: Do you have a link to that data?

Originally posted by 409fold:
Interested in seeing it.


PSU's tuition is out-of-control, there is no doubt about that. Been that way all the way back to the mid-90s (thanks Graham).


I'm actually not happy with the substantial bump that PSU is getting from Harrisburg, they are not encouraging fiscal responsibility in Central PA.


None of Penn State, Pittsburgh or Temple will ever go private. Each of our schools has its "mission statement", and going private is in contradiction of such.

Yes I have that data. You can look it up yourself. You need spoon fed on everything or did your branch campus edumacation not teach you how to use google?

We know PSU is fiscally (and ethically) irresponsible. It was extraordinarily fiscially irresponsible when it decide to upgrade their junior collage branches to four year schools all over the state thereby duplicating the services and territories of the true state universities of the PASSHE, over their strenuous objections I might add. It has been irresponsible since, as the last 4 years have shown in spades. If I was the in charge of the state, I would be cutting funding to Penn State so as not to cover their joke of a branch system that is wrecking the PASSHE.

Pitt has been VERY fiscally responsible, so speak for your own incredibly rancid cess pool.

There is nothing contradictory in Pitt's mission statement and dropping out of the Commonwealth System of Higher Education. In fact, Pitt is technically private. It's board is privately governed and its assets are privately held. Temple same thing. Penn State is too, but it is less private if you look at board makeup as it has more appointments from outside its own control like ag societies due to its historic land grant status. The only real thing keeping these schools from dropping out is addiction to the annual state subsidy.

No, I don't respect anyone with a 409 handle, you disgusting cultist.




This post was edited on 3/4 7:19 PM by CrazyPaco

 

[FattCatt]

Famous Rendell quote


"Any politician who is afraid of raising taxes is a coward".

Glad I live in a red state.

 

[409fold]

Re: Do you have a link to that data?

Originally posted by CrazyPaco:

Yes I have that data. You can look it up yourself. You need spoon fed on everything or did your branch campus edumacation not teach you how to use google?

We know PSU is fiscally (and ethically) irresponsible. It was extraordinarily fiscially irresponsible when it decide to upgrade their junior collage branches to four year schools all over the state thereby duplicating the services and territories of the true state universities of the PASSHE, over their strenuous objections I might add. It has been irresponsible since, as the last 4 years have shown in spades. If I was the in charge of the state, I would be cutting funding to Penn State so as not to cover their joke of a branch system that is wrecking the PASSHE.

Pitt has been VERY fiscally responsible, so speak for your own incredibly rancid cess pool.

There is nothing contradictory in Pitt's mission statement and dropping out of the Commonwealth System of Higher Education. In fact, Pitt is technically private. It's board is privately governed and its assets are privately held. Temple same thing. Penn State is too, but it is less private if you look at board makeup as it has more appointments from outside its own control like ag societies due to its historic land grant status. The only real thing keeping these schools from dropping out is addiction to the annual state subsidy.

No, I don't respect anyone with a 409 handle, you disgusting cultist.




This post was edited on 3/4 7:19 PM by CrazyPaco

Wow .... wasn't quite expecting the hostility. Anyway, bullet points:

(1) Yes, I have "409" in my handle. If you've ever visited the BWI board and seen "9fold", you know he's a complete whack job. I created my handle primarily to make fun of him (it took me 2 posts before he whined to BWI mods and got me banned there). Also, my regular BWI handle that I've had for 10 years, it's banned here. The last post I made here with that handle was about Boise State, of all things, so who knows. So I must resort to 409fold if I wish to converse w/ Pittsburgh folk. I don't hate Pittsburgh, I never have.

(2) I don't need the data "spoon fed" to me. I'm just curious to see it. I actually DID do a google search on items like "Pitt Penn State ROI economic impact" and couldn't find anything. So, I figure a "path of least resistance" would be to ask you, since you're the one who has seen this data.

(3) It's a fair point regarding Penn State's 19 Commonwealth Campuses and their overlap with PASSHE. But I don't think they are actively trying to usurp the PASSHE schools role in the state. Only 5 of those Campuses (Abington, Altoona, Erie, Harrisburg, Berks) offer a 4-year degree. And of those 5: Erie & Harrisburg all offered 4-year baccaluerate degrees before 1997, while Abington, Altoona, Berks & Harrisburg began such in 1997. I don't want PASSHE funding to get cut at the expense of Pitt/PSU/Temple/Lincoln.

(4) As you also know, Pittsburgh has 3 additional baccalaureate-degree institutions in Western PA. What's the fundamental difference between a school like Pitt-Bradford and PSU-Erie (Behrand)? If PSU-Erie is competing against Edinboro and usurping Edinboro's role in the state, couldn't one also argue the same for Pitt-Bradford vs. Clarion? I'll be honest, I don't live in PA anymore so maybe I'm missing something, but besides numbers (19 vs. 4, and 5 vs. 3), I don't see that much of a difference between PSU and Pittsburgh here.

(5) I'm interested in a rational conversation --- yes admittedly, I come into this conversation from the Penn State side of things. But the ball's in your court in that regards. So, I'll try again. I couldn't find the data myself --- do you have a link to that data? I'm interested in seeing it.

Thanks.
This post was edited on 3/4 7:59 PM by 409fold

 

[JED_72]

Re: Do you have a link to that data?

I don't think people familiar with higher education policy in PA viewed PSU's branch campuses, as originally construed, as conflicting with the former state teacher colleges (before they became state colleges and later the PASSHE system). The bigger problem was PSU's fervent opposition to development of community colleges during the 60's . . . opposing the enactment of the community college act and subsequently trying to stop CC development wherever a branch campus was located.
This opposition was despite the different mission of the CC's. The CC's were designed to offer two year terminal programs or two year transfer programs to serve all four year colleges: private, public, state related. Unlike the branch campuses, they were not designed as primary regional "feeders" for the one institution focused on controlling higher ed policy in PA.

 

[VandyPanther]

The real question is why are any of these universities getting more than 2 or 3%? When will they have to learn to control their cost and live within a budget like people in the real world?

 

[CrazyPaco]

Re: Do you have a link to that data?

Why the hell would anyone associate themselves with 409 garbage? It offends me as a human being that values children. Not interested in BWI and I'm not interested in conversations with people I don't respect. Do Your own damn research, including on the branch campuses.