http://pennstate.247sports.com/Article/BH-Franklin-A-Used-Car-Salesman-Kyle-Berger-Update-37576853
They obviously did not ask Ron Kooks opinion.
They obviously did not ask Ron Kooks opinion.
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I can't, won't, and shall not rip on Franklin & Staff for doing a great job at recruiting at Penn State and if Pitt was doing as well right now or like Franklin did last year, i would be "HooHauling" too!!!
The Big Ten Programs ripped on Paterno and Penn State when he chose the Big Ten, and tamed him, by removing votes for NCS in 1994, selecting refs he no longer pick like he did at an Independent, and taking scheduling from him, and they reduced Penn State to 4th 5th team and sometimes lower more than making it a Top Team in the Big Ten! this was being done even when Paterno was not following all the rules, regulations, and laws that gave him a competitive advantage.
I suspect the way Franklin that is under all NCAA rules, Education Department Regulations and Laws now, is catching the attention of the Big Ten once again, due to his Superb Recruiting that even Paterno could not match in his 46 Years with Sandusky's The Second Mile by his side?
I said when Franklin was introduced, he will be a formidable Coach in recruiting and looks like the Big Ten Coaches did not expect it, and they better get used to it, because I do not see Franklin slowing down!
Posters from all over can come on the Lair and cite how great Franklin is doing but that is a bigger problem for B1G Programs more than Pitt, that will play him the in 2016-19, but they have to play every year?
I can wait and watch Coach Pat & Staff rebuild Pitt's Football Program because that is up to him and them to do, and up for Pitt to do!
Franklin is a Big Ten Coach and that is Big Ten Programs bigger problems than Pitt! I expect more articles like this not less, and they are starting from Big Ten origins!
The Big Ten Programs ripped on Paterno and Penn State when he chose the Big Ten, and tamed him, by removing votes for NCS in 1994, selecting refs he no longer pick like he did at an Independent, and taking scheduling from him, and they reduced Penn State to 4th 5th team and sometimes lower more than making it a Top Team in the Big Ten! this was being done even when Paterno was not following all the rules, regulations, and laws that gave him a competitive advantage.
I suspect the way Franklin that is under all NCAA rules, Education Department Regulations and Laws now, is catching the attention of the Big Ten once again, due to his Superb Recruiting that even Paterno could not match in his 46 Years with Sandusky's The Second Mile by his side?
I said when Franklin was introduced, he will be a formidable Coach in recruiting and looks like the Big Ten Coaches did not expect it, and they better get used to it, because I do not see Franklin slowing down!
Posters from all over can come on the Lair and cite how great Franklin is doing but that is a bigger problem for B1G Programs more than Pitt, that will play him the in 2016-19, but they have to play every year?
I can wait and watch Coach Pat & Staff rebuild Pitt's Football Program because that is up to him and them to do, and up for Pitt to do!
Franklin is a Big Ten Coach and that is Big Ten Programs bigger problems than Pitt! I expect more articles like this not less, and they are starting from Big Ten origins!
Sorry Capt. I can't get very excited about Franklin. I know he recruits well. However, the regression of Hackenberg cannot be ignored. And before anyone comes over here and starts crying about his offensive line...Tom Savage played better with a line just as bad. I tend to think Franklin's entire game plan is schedule cupcakes, recruit studs and line them up. Very little coaching...just hope the better athletes win.
I am saluting you for bringing that article on the Lair. It was informative and another opinion of Franklin and you were not wrong in anyway for posting it!
No apology necessary, whatsoever, your beliefs are not wrong, or feelings, or accurate statements as well as others that have openly disagree with me, because these are just differing opinions, and you may be right, the article may be right, and certainly when Franklin testified under oath in the Vanderbilt Rape case, Franklin outright lied and was wrong, and refused to admit it?
Additionally, a Cheerleader described Under Oath how Franklin asked her to create a Female Welcoming Hostess group. and when she replied isn't that a NCAA Violation she quoted him saying everyone does it?
So, all I am saying, and by no means disagreeing with you, is that it is up to Coach Pat & Pitt to get the Recruits he needs to win, as well as all Programs in Big Ten, Big-12, and ACC to do as well or better than Franklin.
I salute Franklin on his Staff Selections and Recruiting and his Personality, but it is up to him win with them too, and that remains to be seen. Yes, Franklin has many advantages with the Penn State Top Ten Programs and attracting some mighty fine talent and that is all I am saying, and crediting him with too.
After all, he should be recruiting at that level with all those resources and he is doing it better than Paterno ever did?
I have been proven wrong many times and thank those that did it and educated me on some things I did not know, so my post was not a rejection of your fine posts.
I enjoyed reading the article and I hope you find more and bring them to the Lair for all of us to share with all of Rivals!
I guess, but if he wins enough to make 4.5m worth it, no one will care.
He has a chance as he's getting players and their schedules are being made easier.
But psu has lost 71 games since 2000, have a middling record vs top of conf and have only made 2 rose bowls since joining big10.
He has a chance as he's getting players and their schedules are being made easier.
But psu has lost 71 games since 2000, have a middling record vs top of conf and have only made 2 rose bowls since joining big10.
Franklin is basically a recruiting coordinator/promoter/cheerleader/mascot. My gut on him is that he may be a pretty lousy coach but that is always going to be masked by how well he recruits. He does so much recruiting that I dont think he spends as much time as he should on actually coaching football. He doesn't seem like the brightest bulb and I'm thinking he's more of a hands-off coach who lets the OC and DC coach the team while he's out tweeting and taking selfies.
Obviously Ohio State is running scared by Franklin's recruiting results and feel the need to disparage him in a slanderous article..... HA!
SMF, I am very impressed with your analysis and thinks it is spot on and perhaps one of the best I read on Franklin. Franklin may be the darling of recruits and fans right now based on his personality, but Harbaugh, Meyers, and Dantonio will be his challenge and if he cannot beat them, his rep will not only burn out but him too. On the other hand, if he can win 10 Games every year the Penn State Fans will be happy to see something they have not seen in 5 years! If his recruits and players get out of line like they did at Vanderbilt it will fade fast too. Thank you SMF!
What I like about Coach Pat Narduzzi is that he does not seem to care what others are saying, doing, or caring, he just cares about what he is doing with his Coaches, Recruits and Players. he reminds me of a the Cat that caught a mouse and does not care if anyone knows, because he knows what he is doing and will keep doing it. Coach Pat just is quietly going about what he knows what to do to rebuild Pitt Football Program just as how it happen at MSU under Michigan, Wisky, and OSU's Shadows and fanfare. I cannot put my finger on it, but it looks like a quiet determination of focus and guile deep within Coach Pat that has his eyes, spirit, and personality on only one thing, winning! This includes winning with the recruits and players he attracts and commit to Pitt. Much unknown until we see how he does this year, but I like what I am hearing, seeing, and much of what Coach pat does and do is meant to be quiet and in a way for np one but him and his Staff knowing what they are doing and want to make at Pitt.
I agree, but at some point, he will have to start winning games against good competition. UPS loonies will not be as patient with him as they were with O'Brien.
They are making the schedule worse, which they admitted, but they cannot win 8 games every year without beating Michigan, Ohio State, and MSU every once in a while. Since Franklin recruits well and talks a lot of crap, he had better deliver. Although these zombies love PSU, he will still need to win, since he set the expectations so high.
He hasn't coached on many good teams and offenses have not been very good that he's been in charge of. That's why his predictions of their move to greatness is a jump from anything he has ever done.
At least Narduzzi has been part of championship teams and he has run some top ranking defenses.
LOL, and I am not laughing at you, just at your comment because it is spot on too as a parody. The one thing I have come to understand about Urban Meyers and Ohio State is this.....
1. Ohio State will do anything and supply anything to won Football Games, They will not accept losing to anyone.
2. Urban Meyers makes sure his Players fear him into becoming a better player as a team. There is no question about it, if your talented and make mistakes you won't play. If you show any doubt in following his way, coaching, and system you won't play. If you think otherwise in any other way he will find someone else to replace you. Meyers in my opinion is the finest College Football Coach in the Nation and wins anywhere.
3. Ohio State Players that are coached by Meyer also fear no one or other Team. They will just go out and execute and it is up to the other Players and Teams to stop them. Just as Meyer;s fear no one and respects his opposing coach his players develop the same attitude, and no rally-rally, boola-boola, and arrogance of some Penn State CULTists Fans is going to shake Meyer's because he has more Confidence in knowing what he is doing than the Arrogance in some of those Fans that makes them full of Ignorance. (Not All PSU Fans Just The PnnyLions That Worship A Deal Man!)
Franklin caught Meyer's and his Team off guard last year, and this can happen just as Beamer's VT did , and few in SEC when he coached there, and Penn State's DC Shoop knows how to coach. However, only injuries, over confidence and Poor Game Plan can catch Meyer's napping and even then most of the time Meyer's still wins. This is Franklin's challenge and he is recruiting the Horses to take on Meyeres and we shall see?
I don't think there's any doubt that James Franklin is a used car salesman. I think anyone with a functioning brain and who is not a naive and/or egomaniacal 16 or 17-year-old kid can spot that pretty quickly. He is very much from the Todd Graham school of sincerity.
I also think the jury is very much out on his coaching ability. Christian Hackenberg's regression last year was troubling and startling. I understand he did not have a great offensive line but the mechanics and decision-making were each very poor and that will definitely give NFL scouts cause for concern.
However, the simple truth is even if it is the case that Franklin is basically a salesman and not a coach, he would not be the first college football coach to follow the template.
How do you think Bobby Bowden did it for all those years? How do you think Howard Schnellenberger did at Miami originally? What about Mack Brown?
None of those guys are known as master strategists but they all been the head of extremely successful college football programs.
The jury is still very much out on James Franklin. However, if he is basically the closer and fundraiser, and surrounds himself with an excellent staff, that can be a very successful formula for Penn State.
I also think the jury is very much out on his coaching ability. Christian Hackenberg's regression last year was troubling and startling. I understand he did not have a great offensive line but the mechanics and decision-making were each very poor and that will definitely give NFL scouts cause for concern.
However, the simple truth is even if it is the case that Franklin is basically a salesman and not a coach, he would not be the first college football coach to follow the template.
How do you think Bobby Bowden did it for all those years? How do you think Howard Schnellenberger did at Miami originally? What about Mack Brown?
None of those guys are known as master strategists but they all been the head of extremely successful college football programs.
The jury is still very much out on James Franklin. However, if he is basically the closer and fundraiser, and surrounds himself with an excellent staff, that can be a very successful formula for Penn State.
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Who exactly (besides maybe Franco's cardboard JoePa) would be okay not winning right away in State College?
I agree 100%. The way Franklin is recruiiting, he's not going to have to do a ton of coaching. Just surround himself with good assistant and basically don't mess up.
Recruiting is the name of the game. To throw out a fun, unrealistic scenario, I would hire Barack Obama to coach our football team after his Presidency ends if for some reason he had the burning desire to coach college football at Pitt. As ridiculous as this scenario is, I'd hire him in 2 seconds because he's one heck of a salesman, articulator, and fundraiser. He'll sell good players and sell good assistants on the benefits of working for him. The fact that he knows nothing about football isn't that big a deal. Just get out of the way and SELL! This is what Franklin is doing. He's a fantastic recruiter and has a A+ DC.
REally? Which writers? The article mentioned ONE unnamed writer. I think Nardogg is shady.
I don't think Meyer worries about anyone. Harbaugh won't care either. D"antonio has made a living out of being underestimated.
The Big Ten/16 is not blessed with an abundance of superior coaches, but the east division is.
So Franklin has to go against the A team all the time.
The problem with going against the A team is that they tend to wear you down so that you lose to a maryland, an Iowa etc...just because of inertia.
So far his record at PSU is 7-6.
2015 is a new year....
You don't think other successful coaches like Saban and Meyer try to recruit the "better athletes?" There's a reason for that you know. Franklin said one thing several times you can't dispute: "The plays work better when you have good players." I'm sure Saban, Meyer, Belicheck, Landry, Lombardi, Shula, and even Narduzzi would wholeheartedly agree.
As told to me by someone knowing High School Football a few days ago, one can Coach but needs Horses to win, and that will always give you an advantage over a Coach that may be better at coaching but lacks the talent to win.
He said, the most talented players will not play as much if they are stupid, the smartest and most talented play far more often and Coaches win that way, but you need the Horses.
Regardless, of what anyone says, Franklin is recruiting the Horses two years, last year and this year, and Pitt as well as other Programs will have to do the same to match those Horses.
Everyone is waiting to see how Coach Pat & Staff will do as Head Coach this year. If he is successful, look for some Commit to Decommit and choose Pitt, is what i am told, We shall see?
Howie, I'm not knocking his strategy. What I am questioning is his ability to make good recruits...great players? Narduzzi has made a reputation for himself making 3* db recruits into top ten picks. How that translates to being a HC...I don't know yet?
I think the position coach makes the players into what the are more than the defensive coordinator does. That is why I wanted us to go after Harlon Barnett, former MSU DB Coach now DC, for our defensive staff.
