Everyone makes tournament next season !

[PittLegends]

ACC pitching all-inclusive NCAA hoops tourney

Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski is spearheading a proposal from ACC coaches for an expanded 2021 NCAA tournament that would include every Division I team, sources tell ESPN.

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Not sure how this would work.

 

[Ski11585]

Poorly.

 

[bayardstreet]

But it’s coach K so it has to make total sense. I will pass on the first and second rounds

 

[CougarClaws]

How many teams are in D-1? 350 right? Simply adding two more rounds gets you to 272.

 

[Dointhatrag]

eliminate conference tournaments and add one extra weekend, add some byes, done

 

[Drew1208]

Well Pitt made the tourney in year 3. Nice

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Really, really stupid idea. Have everyone make the NIT who doesn't make the NCAA. There.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

My god, those 212 seed vs 55 seed upsets are so exciting. They happen every year. It is just guessing in what region they will happen.

 

[levance2]

My god, those 212 seed vs 55 seed upsets are so exciting. They happen every year. It is just guessing in what region they will happen.

I understand this was a joke, but surely they would do it like the WVB tournament and only seed the top XX teams and the rest are just regional matchups without seeds. It isn't that complicated.

 

[ameoba defense]

I've seen suggestions to cancel this season's NIT, and just take the NCAA's to 96, which would prevent teams from being screwed by the lack of a non conference season. I think the Panthers could make a 96 team field. 96 teams would pretty much ensure that no truly good teams get left out.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Everyone making the tournament is one of the dumbest ploys by coaches who have never made an NCAA at their current school ever. And they chose K to be their champion to make sure the NCAA listens. Many coaches weren’t happy about it, but pretended to go along on the call according to Brian Snow.

NCAA tournament bonuses should go out the window and they’re just trying to help ppl like Jim Christian stay in their current job for as long as possible. Absolutely absurd and stupid idea.

The other hilarious thing is these same coaches will complain that kids aren’t taught how to compete or that everyone gets a trophy nowadays when you’re literally giving every team participation ribbon.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

Well, I have for a long time favored a different approach to the NCAA tourney seeding. I would want every team computer ranked (don't care which computer or whether it is an average of all those "scientific" ratings) making the top 64 to be put in the tourney with none of them not making it due to an auto bid conference winner hranked outside this top 64 keeping them out. IMHO, just put all such autobid teams into a play-in round. They are already having several more teams beyond a total of 64 getting in as it has been recently.

 

[cease10]

Dumb idea and even more embarrassing for all the rest ACC coaches to be following Coach K.

 

[PA_Panther]

Dumb idea and even more embarrassing for all the rest ACC coaches to be following Coach K.

This tells me athletic departments are burning money faster than most of us even thought. This is probably a way for them to make some money back and keep the smaller schools afloat.

If this is a one off I don’t see the big deal. What makes the NCAA Tournament special is SF Austin upsetting Baylor and Virginia getting curb stomped by UMBC. If those teams disappear, some of the lust of the tourney disappears.

Another thing to think about is this could be a last ditch effort to keep non-revenue sports alive. Say what you want but those non-revenue sports are the perfect model to give access to a high quality level of education to athletes who might not have gotten. Or maybe this is a way to save having to turn furloughs into jobs and positions being eliminated outright.

I don’t think that we will see every D-1 team make the tournament but I can certainly see this as a way to expand for a year and charge CBS for an extra weekend of games.

 

[Chem95]

This tells me athletic departments are burning money faster than most of us even thought. This is probably a way for them to make some money back and keep the smaller schools afloat.

If this is a one off I don’t see the big deal. What makes the NCAA Tournament special is SF Austin upsetting Baylor and Virginia getting curb stomped by UMBC. If those teams disappear, some of the lust of the tourney disappears.

Another thing to think about is this could be a last ditch effort to keep non-revenue sports alive. Say what you want but those non-revenue sports are the perfect model to give access to a high quality level of education to athletes who might not have gotten. Or maybe this is a way to save having to turn furloughs into jobs and positions being eliminated outright.

I don’t think that we will see every D-1 team make the tournament but I can certainly see this as a way to expand for a year and charge CBS for an extra weekend of games.

Yeah, but won't everyone be watching that spring Big 10 football? Won't that eat into the ratings?🤓

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

My god, those 212 seed vs 55 seed upsets are so exciting. They happen every year. It is just guessing in what region they will happen.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I've seen suggestions to cancel this season's NIT, and just take the NCAA's to 96, which would prevent teams from being screwed by the lack of a non conference season. I think the Panthers could make a 96 team field. 96 teams would pretty much ensure that no truly good teams get left out.

I would be somewhat ok with this but ONLY if there were absolutely no non-conference games.

 

[JD1976]

Dan Gavitt, the head of the NCAA basketball tournament, basically came out today and said this option pitched by the ACC is not on the table.

 

[Franb]

Dan Gavitt, the head of the NCAA basketball tournament, basically came out today and said this option pitched by the ACC is not on the table.

It should not even be in the same building as the table, much less on it.

 

[levance2]

This tells me athletic departments are burning money faster than most of us even thought. This is probably a way for them to make some money back and keep the smaller schools afloat.

What most of these other posters are ignoring is that the NCAA Tournament represents 75% of the NCAA's revenue. That is different than conference/school revenue.

We have no idea how all these sports contracts are structured. Does CBS pay the NCAA in 2020 when no tournament was played? Does Pitt get a full ACC media share from ESPN if they're playing fewer or zero games?

College sports right now is a house of cards. An oversized NCAA tournament is an influx of money that is sorely needed by a lot of schools. If that infusion proves successful, and college coaches and/or administrators get performance bonuses for no reason, there is going to be a ton of internal demand to do it every year.

No sane person should advocate for a 350+ team event, but it will almost assuredly be more than 68.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

What most of these other posters are ignoring is that the NCAA Tournament represents 75% of the NCAA's revenue. That is different than conference/school revenue.

We have no idea how all these sports contracts are structured. Does CBS pay the NCAA in 2020 when no tournament was played? Does Pitt get a full ACC media share from ESPN if they're playing fewer or zero games?

College sports right now is a house of cards. An oversized NCAA tournament is an influx of money that is sorely needed by a lot of schools. If that infusion proves successful, and college coaches and/or administrators get performance bonuses for no reason, there is going to be a ton of internal demand to do it every year.

No sane person should advocate for a 350+ team event, but it will almost assuredly be more than 68.

To that point
It’s really not so outrageous when so many programs lost a bunch of revenue through no fault of their own -
To let everybody cash in and grab some extra cash and get well
People are getting too hung up on “the tournament “
Hey - there was no ncaa tournament last year -
Who knows how many games will actually get played this year
As usual - K is a few steps ahead of the nitwits at the ncaa about the health of college basketball

and guess a much easier way to create a “bubble” to have teams play -
A massive tournament in a few regional sites

 

[Cavalier Panther]

I think this would be a blast. I don't want to do it every year, but as a one-off it would be really fun. Perhaps not something for normal times, but these are not normal times.

 

[73CAV]

As I understand it, there is a legitimate reason the ACC suggested this. Conferences may eliminate the OOC portions of their schedules. If just conference games remain, what happens during mid-season if there is an outbreak in one program? How many games are cancelled? When games are cancelled, especially if a significant number of games are cancelled, how does the selection committee determine bids? How much pressure will there be on coaches to conceal positive tests so games aren't cancelled? The NCAA is entering uncharted water. However, if at the end of the season, every team gets a bid to the tournament, a lot of these concerns vanish. Seeding may become an incredible headache, and the source of more virtual angst than any of us could imagine, but it does solve more problems than it creates, IMO. For instance, what if Pitt only gets to play 15 games?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

 

[levance2]

As I understand it, there is a legitimate reason the ACC suggested this. Conferences may eliminate the OOC portions of their schedules. If just conference games remain, what happens during mid-season if there is an outbreak in one program? How many games are cancelled? When games are cancelled, especially if a significant number of games are cancelled, how does the selection committee determine bids? How much pressure will there be on coaches to conceal positive tests so games aren't cancelled? The NCAA is entering uncharted water. However, if at the end of the season, every team gets a bid to the tournament, a lot of these concerns vanish. Seeding may become an incredible headache, and the source of more virtual angst than any of us could imagine, but it does solve more problems than it creates, IMO. For instance, what if Pitt only gets to play 15 games?

The other piece of it is that it may be logistically easier to run an extra weekend or two of NCAA Tournament games than to run all the conference tournaments. That may be a sticking point for all the various media companies, however.

Can we really trust Greensboro to handle 15 teams and all their staffs? The small conferences like NEC don't even have a single organized tournament to begin with. They are playing all the games at tiny little gyms.

Another thought is that in order to allow for more testing of players, they could expand the field and actually spread the early rounds over two weekends instead of one, like an East and West bracket. That would allow some flexibility if there need to be last minute changes in some pods due to illness.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

The other piece of it is that it may be logistically easier to run an extra weekend or two of NCAA Tournament games than to run all the conference tournaments. That may be a sticking point for all the various media companies, however.

Can we really trust Greensboro to handle 15 teams and all their staffs? The small conferences like NEC don't even have a single organized tournament to begin with. They are playing all the games at tiny little gyms.

Another thought is that in order to allow for more testing of players, they could expand the field and actually spread the early rounds over two weekends instead of one, like an East and West bracket. That would allow some flexibility if there need to be last minute changes in some pods due to illness.

If they were going to do this they would have to have regional pods the first weekend of the tournament. So you make 64 pods of five or six teams. 31 five team pods, 33 six team pods, assuming that all 353 teams want to play. The 64 top seeds host a pod (assuming they want to and have the capability to). So the NCAA seeds 64 top seeds to be the host, and then the 64 next teams to be the two seed in each pod. Everything else is decided by trying to keep teams as local as you can. So Pitt is a top 64 seed, West Virginia is a second 64 seed, the Pitt pod also includes Robert Morris, Akron, Duquesne and St. Francis (no teams from the same conference allowed). Those teams are seeded against each other. First round, Robert Morris versus Duquesne, Akron versus St. Francis. Second round, Pitt versus Robert Morris, West Virginia versus Akron. Third round, Pitt beats West Virginia and moves on to the round of 64 the following weekend.

Try as best as you can to match up a top 64 with a close by second 64 (although it's not going to be prefect) regardless of where they rank on the "S-curve". Get as many local schools as you can into each pod (although again, it's not going to be perfect) to reduce travel for as many teams as possible. Don't even bother seeding the whole tournament, just seed the teams in the pod, which would make things a lot easier. If one team gets and easier pod than someone else, too bad. If it matters to you that you are playing number 215 in the country rather than 250 in the first round then you aren't a serious contender anyway.

 

[levance2]

If they were going to do this they would have to have regional pods the first weekend of the tournament. So you make 64 pods of five or six teams. 31 five team pods, 33 six team pods, assuming that all 353 teams want to play.

I doubt that there's any way to actually involve the entire NCAA, but that doesn't mean they couldn't do something like a 128- or 256- team standard bracket with extra play-in games to get into that normal structure.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I doubt that there's any way to actually involve the entire NCAA, but that doesn't mean they couldn't do something like a 128- or 256- team standard bracket with extra play-in games to get into that normal structure.

Well if you were going to do 256 you'd only need another partial round to include everyone else. If they were to go that big they'd include everyone that wanted to play.

 

[levance2]

Well if you were going to do 256 you'd only need another partial round to include everyone else. If they were to go that big they'd include everyone that wanted to play.

I could see the NCAA allowing the conferences to run their own first and/or second "rounds" potentially, something like the NHL playoffs. Then each conference could basically backfill these games as their conference "tournament" and serve them to through standard media partners.

It's probably hopelessly complicated to figure out the media rights for this.

 

[Pitt79]

But it’s coach K so it has to make total sense. I will pass on the first and second rounds

The first two rounds will likely be when Pitt looks best, so I'll watch it

 

[Millerton]

Money grab. Lost revenue from last year. Nothing more

 

[bwh05]

Money grab. Lost revenue from last year. Nothing more

yes this is a chance to recoup lost revenue which I don’t have a problem with. It’s not like they’re making permanent changes. It’s find more creative ways to create revenue or cut sports. People need to get a grip and understand the situation is desperate a lot of places without a lot of answers.