Expansion talk on B12 agenda
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That would be awesome. That way the home and home series in 2023/2024 would be another P5 series!
Pretty slimy on the part of the newspaper to try and obtain emails and travel records from the President and AD who are just trying to conduct business that in the end could really benefit the University and the City.
Just can't believe the Big 12 really is going that way. Cincy has nothing in common with the rest of the Big 12. Seems desperate.
It's got something in common.....WVU. Gives them a bridge to the outliers. At least WVU could have one regional game.
It's slimy for the newspaper to do it's job? UC is a public institution. They are required by law to disclose certain information with regards to their operations. The newspaper asked them to disclose the information that they are required to disclose and the school is (so far) refusing. There certainly is someone acting "slimy" in all this, but it most certainly is not the newspaper.
This is a really weird situation for the Big 12. They have one anchor member who has basically made it known that they want 12 teams and a conference network or they're going to TRY to peace on out to the SEC.
OU is also using the BIG as their second hammer - I don't believe they'd actually commit suicide by moving there. Now Texas is basically saying "Yeah yeah okay whatever" and they're just playing chicken. No other member really has a voice in the matter. Who gives an F what WVU, TT, Iowa State actually think.
On the other hand, expansion with Cincy, UCF, UCONN, BYU, etc. almost guarantees the death of the conference.
Without brand name expansion in the next decade, the Big 12 has to hope that the ACC implodes at some point under financial pressure due to the lack of a conference network - or the loss of members to BIG or SEC expansions.
OU is also using the BIG as their second hammer - I don't believe they'd actually commit suicide by moving there. Now Texas is basically saying "Yeah yeah okay whatever" and they're just playing chicken. No other member really has a voice in the matter. Who gives an F what WVU, TT, Iowa State actually think.
On the other hand, expansion with Cincy, UCF, UCONN, BYU, etc. almost guarantees the death of the conference.
Without brand name expansion in the next decade, the Big 12 has to hope that the ACC implodes at some point under financial pressure due to the lack of a conference network - or the loss of members to BIG or SEC expansions.
I'd go Cincy to help out WVU regionally and BYU to get at least the biggest named fish still left in the expansion pond. UConn, wow, you think WVU is isolated, that would be a death nail for UConn's FB, which is already on a ventilator and feeding tube, and bring nothing to the B12 for FB purposes.
Really, to me, those are the only two potentially attractive teams left out there, except maybe UCF/USF, but to me at least, they just wreak of small time. But you can see their potential due to being in FLa, but they have just too much of an uphill struggle in that state and region as a whole with Bama, UGa, Auburn, SEC/ACC etc also knocking on the doors in their vicinity.
Really, to me, those are the only two potentially attractive teams left out there, except maybe UCF/USF, but to me at least, they just wreak of small time. But you can see their potential due to being in FLa, but they have just too much of an uphill struggle in that state and region as a whole with Bama, UGa, Auburn, SEC/ACC etc also knocking on the doors in their vicinity.
Well, Cincy and BYU are the hot names but don't rule out UCF and Houston.
They should go to 14 to 16 Teams expand all markets and footprints but Texas does not want to divide the Pie and loves it like it is and that upset OU?
Nebraska and Texas A&M was upset with Texas as well. The have the Richest Program on the 128 Schools.
A Good Poster came here and posted links how the Big-12 gets paid for 12 Teams but goes to 10 teams, and do not want to cut into each share by adding more Teams.
It will be interesting to see what happens even if they out vote Texas, or expand together or reject it again? OU could make a move then and more expansion moves.
Just a few months ago, many Experts on CFB stated, expansion is over for a 6 to 10 years???
True, forgot about Houston, I just wonder about their sustainability. However, I think I have heard that they have really started pumping some $ into their athletics so who knows?
They have…. And Hermann is committed to staying which is huge. BYU is an issue because they can't play games on certain days. At least I have heard that this could be an issue.
yes, you are right they did give him a big extension/raise after the year, and if he stays that would be huge. Just have to wonder how long he will stay if they don't get in a P5 in the near future.
IMO, the Big 12 is shaky in general because UT tries to control everything, and their main sports programs, FB and BB, have stepped back in recent years so will they continue to be able to be the captain of the vessel? I have always thought the Big 12 was just idling until the remaining meat gets picked off the bones and if UT tries to bully, then OU may just leave. The crazy thing is that year in and year out they have one of the strongest FB and BB conferences, but IMO, it is clearly the least stable of the P5.
IMO, the Big 12 is shaky in general because UT tries to control everything, and their main sports programs, FB and BB, have stepped back in recent years so will they continue to be able to be the captain of the vessel? I have always thought the Big 12 was just idling until the remaining meat gets picked off the bones and if UT tries to bully, then OU may just leave. The crazy thing is that year in and year out they have one of the strongest FB and BB conferences, but IMO, it is clearly the least stable of the P5.
Depends on the school and their pockets. If a FB factory school, we all know they will pay whatever it takes, i.e. Michigan, Bama, etc, or an NFL team, although I don't think an NFL team goes with a G5 coach.
If Strong wins 8 or 9 games he is safe this year…. TAMU is the one I would keep an eye on. If they underachieve with those classes then Sumlin will be out. Question is, would they go after him or look elsewhere?
The only team on this list that fills the lake deeper is Cincy. All these other teams just thins out the waters.
Correct. Three, four years ago. all the buzz was how the ACC was going to get picked clean, and all the hoopie morons were running around babbling about being at the big boys table and all that ...
But, when the dust settled, it was what it always has been - the Big 12 has always been the least stable league, and it is the most challenging league given its broad geographical spread that is made up mostly of dustbin country.
ACC is a modest football league, but is situated in a MUCH better tv market/populated area ...
You can forget about Houston, UT will never allow them to join & the other Texas schools will vote with UT. The powers that be in Austin thumb their noses at UH, they refer to them as Cougar High & say they are a commuter school that's basically a glorified high school. UT also knows the SWC died because it had too much Texas ( nothing but Texas schools at the end) & all the current Big XII Texas schools want no part of another in state member.
BYU hasn't been added (and likely won't be) because 1) they won't play any games/matches on Sunday (not a big deal for football but a killer in every other sport, especially when you're 1000+ miles away from the majority of your conference) & 2) They're Mormons. The Southern Baptists and Evangelicals that run the schools/states of the Big XII don't want any part of them in their league. If it was just about football BYU probably would have got an invite before WVU.
OU wants expansion, Texas doesn't. OU wants Texas to get rid of the Longhorn Network or turn it into a Big XII Network, I can't see Texas walking away from that anytime soon. It's going to be interesting to see how the power struggle between OU & UT plays out over the next few years, if OU does decide at some point that it's in their best interest to leave that conference is dead.
Don't discount Memphis or Colorado St as potential candidates.
BYU hasn't been added (and likely won't be) because 1) they won't play any games/matches on Sunday (not a big deal for football but a killer in every other sport, especially when you're 1000+ miles away from the majority of your conference) & 2) They're Mormons. The Southern Baptists and Evangelicals that run the schools/states of the Big XII don't want any part of them in their league. If it was just about football BYU probably would have got an invite before WVU.
OU wants expansion, Texas doesn't. OU wants Texas to get rid of the Longhorn Network or turn it into a Big XII Network, I can't see Texas walking away from that anytime soon. It's going to be interesting to see how the power struggle between OU & UT plays out over the next few years, if OU does decide at some point that it's in their best interest to leave that conference is dead.
Don't discount Memphis or Colorado St as potential candidates.
The B12 is really becoming a Crappy conference. BYU, UCONN, and Cincy? Talk about 3 teams that add nothing except travel time. The B12 would be better off disbanding and combining with the other 4 conferences to make 4 conferences of 16 teams. Could you imagine adding Texas and Oklahoma to the ACC.
Don't listen to what the media (TV, Newspapers, radio) says....listen to what the DudeofWVU says...he's the be all, end all of expansion talk
My guess is OU is pushing for expansion because they're trying to rally the troops against Texas. No other way a power play makes sense. I'm of the opinion that the Big12 is in its death throws but I'm usually wrong. B1G would have OU in a minute and I wouldn't be shocked to learn it's already been discussed.
If just one Team leaves, it will cause more to go, and leave a few needing new homes?
Oklahoma is holding more cards here than people seem to realize. The Sooners are not quite as powerful as Texas but they are definitely in that league.
I would not be shocked to see them defect to another league – maybe even the ACC.
I would not be shocked to see them defect to another league – maybe even the ACC.
They should get Cincy and CSU immediately. I don't know what's taking them so long (Texas). Does Colorado have 6M people yet? If not, they will very soon. Becoming a major state, more than twice as big as OK, Iowa, Kansas, Utah, or Nev and CSU is a great place. They are spending 200M for a new stadium. Big risk on their part. I got a like new Rams sweatshirt at the thrift store.
