Transfers have and will continue to destroy college hoops! It’s over it’s too liberal gentlemen. The inmates have effectively run the asylum. It will never be the same. Forget it. On top of that Capel is what he was I. His last year at Oklahoma. Sad I’m not sure what I the blue hell this guy does behind the scenes. I want to like him, but this is Stallingsesque! Worst that I have seen for this program. For Chrissakes this guy can’t keep anyone!
FBS College Basketball has been ruined, and Capel is over
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Yep. Like I said before, they are alienating their paying customers. Hopefully this doesn't last. There's no harm in sitting a year and getting an extra year of school paid for.
Neither can the coaches of these teams....
As tonight there are 132 schools that have lost at least 3 players to the transfer portal since the season ended and the meter is still running. Here are some of the numbers from other schools:
George Washington (8)
Penn State (8)
George Mason (7)
Indiana State (7)
South Florida (7)
Valparaiso (7)
Cincinnati (6)
Wake Forest (6)
Indiana (5)
Nebraska (5)
Ole Miss (5)
Pittsburgh (5)
St. Bonaventure (5)
Auburn (4)
Boston College (4)
Georgia (4)
Hawaii (4)
Kansas State (4)
Murray State (4)
St. John's (4)
Texas (4)
Texas A&M (4)
Utah (4)
Vanderbilt (4)
Xavier (4)
Iowa State (3)
Minnesota (3)
TCU (3)
UNLV (3)
Washington State (3)
As tonight there are 132 schools that have lost at least 3 players to the transfer portal since the season ended and the meter is still running. Here are some of the numbers from other schools:
George Washington (8)
Penn State (8)
George Mason (7)
Indiana State (7)
South Florida (7)
Valparaiso (7)
Cincinnati (6)
Wake Forest (6)
Indiana (5)
Nebraska (5)
Ole Miss (5)
Pittsburgh (5)
St. Bonaventure (5)
Auburn (4)
Boston College (4)
Georgia (4)
Hawaii (4)
Kansas State (4)
Murray State (4)
St. John's (4)
Texas (4)
Texas A&M (4)
Utah (4)
Vanderbilt (4)
Xavier (4)
Iowa State (3)
Minnesota (3)
TCU (3)
UNLV (3)
Washington State (3)
I will reply here also:
Or another way look at it:
Capel has had more players transfer than all but 2-3 HC's who have been at their school more than a year. Players transferring before the new coach gets there or after the new coach's 1st season is very common
We should probably revise that saying:
it's going to get worse and keep getting worse until Capel and his staff hit the road.
OT, but congrats to your boy Lorenzo Romar leading his team to the CBI title tonight.
How many lost 4 out of 5 starters? Just saying. I agree though which is why I said that FBS college basketball has been ruined. Hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube!
Is the rule allowing kids to transfer within D1 without having to sit one year (unless they are grad transfers) permanent? Or is it a one time deal because of the pandemic? If it is permanent, then I agree it is bad for college sports. Of course people might have said the same thing about redshirting when that practice first started (I still don't like it, but that's just my opinion, I'm sure plenty of people think it's great). If it is permanent, I assume that it will apply to all sports, including football?
Effectively college basketball is like a big pick up game now, the coach that can get the best transfers every year succeeds.
It can be both things. It can be happening other places and also be extremely alarming that Ithiel Horton is the only person left from his first 2 classes.
Lots of red flags. AKC stunk and if he left in a vacuum it wouldn’t matter. But they have no one to replace him, no one to recruit to replace him and seemingly have no plan.
You as well of none of us know what’s really going on and what their plans are .
It’s obvious that with the talent previously assembled they couldn’t really compete in the ACC so did they really lose anything ?
JC gets to reset and start over and with a long term contract in hand he will be given that opportunity .
This new transfer environment will affect everyone , no ones going to get a pass and kids aren’t going to sit and wait two years to get their turn to play . There will be plenty of quality guys who rather play at Pitt then sit for two yrs to play and every under recruited kid is going to want to move up . College bb has become the Wild West .
Well like it or not it’s happening . His contract guarantees it .
Players, particularly bad players, leaving a bad team when there are 1000 replacements available is a good thing.
Not guaranteeing success or failure, but it's an opportunity.
Not guaranteeing success or failure, but it's an opportunity.
These are great theories. But you gurus have praised his recruiting and pumped up all of these players (I never pumped up most of these dudes) now want to declare them as no loss.
And every other fan base is saying the same things you’re saying about the kids who are transferring.
If this job was a dumpster fire when he took over, he forgot to call the fire department.
I'm not a guru, I haven't praised his recruiting or pumped up these players. All I'm saying is that losing bad players from a bad team with 1000 transfers available isn't a bad thing. I'd be much more concerned if Capel was losing good players from a good team when there were only 100 transfers available.
The transfer portal has officially surpassed the tournament for the term.... March Madness!
And how much of this is failure by Capel? Should he not recruit Champagnies because they are so good they leave early? When Odukale leaves for the same reason, is that another failure? AKC left when he was guaranteed minutes. That's Capel's fault? Why, because he needs to learn to play forwards how they want to play rather than how they help the team? I can also see how Capel failed at managing the locker room issues.
I'm not trying to antagonize you. I respect your opinion and am asking if much of the handwringing over transfers right now isn't partly anti Capel fans exploiting the situation to attack him. There are many factors involved and it's not just Capel flailing.
I'll add that HCJC sure isn't impressing anyone either.
I'd be willing to bet my entire paycheck, given enough time Capel's team will improve.
The real question at this point is how much of an upside does he offer to the program?
The real question at this point is how much of an upside does he offer to the program?
Yeah, even taking the view most favorable to Capel (i.e., he got these guys in the first place and didn't win a lot with them, so why worry about him being able to get more), that still doesn't account for the loss of Toney. And it just doesn't make intuitive sense that losing 2/3 of your entire roster, even on a bad team, isn't a big deal. It's definitely worrying.
Given the unique circumstances of this year and the likely availability of other, similar or better players, Capel has a chance to right the ship. Whether he does or not, I have no idea, but he really needs to make some progress and fast on recruiting or we're in for a couple of years that will look significantly worse than the last three.
I guess you didn't see the op-ed Capel penned for The Athletic? He covered all this including his plans going forward. He obviously understands how important it is to divulge his plans and strategies publicly.
What evidence is there to suggest he will replace these bad players with better players?
Check back in a couple months. You may be right about no plan but I doubt it.
There is value to this thought. It's concerning why everyone is leaving, but it's not a bad year for it to happen.
We'll be happy or upset in a few months. Time will tell.
None.
Read my first post. I said it was an opportunity, not a guarantee of anything.
Perhaps the use of the acronym BOHICA is warranted.
For those that don’t know:
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Your constant negativity affects your credibility. It’s like a liberal turning on Fox or a conservative turning on CNN , you know exactly what they’re going to say and their opinions are so biased it’s unwatchable.
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I'm not as concerned about losing half the team to transfer as I am about the culture that Capel is developing at Pitt. This is not a good look for Pitt or Capel, and losing players is the least of the problems. It's just a symptom of the big underlying problem. It's up to Capel to change the culture and recruit guys here who are not babies and know the meaning of the words "commitment" and "hard work". But it starts with him. I'm still waiting on Capel to recruit a player, just one player, that can make a difference and want to stay here for more than a year. How far we have fallen in just 5 short years.
His negativity has no impact on his credibility. His negativity has an impact on whether or not you want to read what he posts, but he's either right or wrong and his attitude has nothing to do with it.
First, Champ was not a top player out of high school. He was not a top 50 player. That's what Capel needs to jump start the program. Maybe I should have qualified this by saying players who stay longer than 2 years. This crap of players quitting after 2 years and thinking they can turn pro doesn't work for most of them. And frankly, I don't care about pro basketball and don't even know the teams that exist now, nor do I care. I'm a Pitt basketball fan. I want players who commit to play for Pitt, we get to see them play and become familiar with their names, and we root for their success. I don't see that too much at Pitt now.
