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X 14 pts 0 reb 3/3 asst/to
femi 18 pts 5 rb 5/1 asst/to
kinda makes you think we aren’t so much in trouble huh
X 14 pts 0 reb 3/3 asst/to
femi 18 pts 5 rb 5/1 asst/to
kinda makes you think we aren’t so much in trouble huh
Femi >>X
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Yes, he is better but Toney is a big loss and as I said, the larger issue is we will have 1 player left from his 2 classes and his 2020 class has been bad (outside of Femi)
If that turns out to be true then Pitt has the pg it needs for the next three yrs .
He’s got to put in the time this off season to shoot FT a lot better .
You can have me first players on your team just not at pg .
Johnson has a lot of talent and athletic ability but his "basketball IQ" is as low as it gets which diminishes his talent to the level of him being a below average P6 PG
Is there such a thing as a “pro” 1 on 1 league? He’d thrive at that.
Over a year ago I gave a scouting report on this forum when he was a triple double machine at Springfield Commonwealth when he finished National Prep Player of the year runner up ( he should have won the award just like Sam Young did)
The player I said he had the potential to become was Denzel Valentine of Michigan State. Both players are 6'5 and both players have a 6'11 wingspan. When you have the ability to shoot over people and pass over people with relative ease, your potential is almost unlimited at the college level. The game against Louisville where Odukale dominated Carlik Jones who is a senior and in the running for ACC player of the year is a fine example of Jones not being able to contain the size and length advantage that Odukale has. The fact Odukale is also athletic is a bonus. No disrespect to Robinson, buy he isn't even close to the potential of Odukale. And I mean not even close.
Me me me I I I. You and SMF should get together and pat each other on the back. It’ll be easier on both of your shoulders.
He plays a lot like JR - he likes to pass, has a lot of the same motions, ball fakes ...
But he has more size, length, and explosiveness to do what JR could not - finish going to the basket, get off the in between shots ...
Femi played well. I do not put much stock in the points. They let him have a dunk because a three was needed and he got another score at the buzzer.
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Uh. No. I'll need a much bigger sample size to decide either way. Just as I'd feel if Femi had a worse game yesterday too. But, realize he even the current state of the program people want optimism and want it now.
This post is living proof that logical, level-headed takes do in fact, occasionally make their way onto message boards.
ACC Offensive Power Rating ORTG through 14 ACC conference games
X-100.4
Odukale-96.1
This gap has significantly been closing for weeks. Odukale has had an ORTG power rating running at 125+ in 3 of the last 5 ACC games. That is extremely high. This isn't 1 game. Its the entire ACC Conference schedule. Odukale passed X and all of the other guards on the team on defense months ago.
Femi/Justin/AKC -- are all great examples of this staff's recruiting ability. Everyone wants the top 50-100 recruits and so do I, but the fact they have consistently found diamonds in the rough that they can develop who were under/lightly recruited is a great attribute at a school like Pitt.
X/Toney/Trey were in my opinion talented but desperation recruits. The above three along with Max/Noah/Will are better examples of who the staff is targeting - long, athletic, team first guys who want to play D and win.
We just need to be patient and have season them up a bit.
I'm sure Capel disagrees with you and would rather have the better players, as is evidenced by his offers.
Not to mention the obvious but that's comparing a Jr to a Fr.
Personally, I thought long ago Femi was only PG on the roster and he had more upside than X at that position.
People seem to forget X wasn't a PG until he stepped for on campus. That's a tough transition to make at that point.
Femi might be more efficient than X at some point. I'm nowhere near ready to say he is better. Either way, it still hurts to lose a good ACC player. I'd rather have them both than just one.
Johnson was one of the worst PGs in the ACC so it wont take much for Femi to be better. He is likely better alresdy
Its why its worth digging into the numbers and see which players are actually improving during the season and why its worthwhile separating the non-conference from the conference schedule. Quality players are going to improve during the season, especially guys that are freshmen and sophomores.
I did the same exact thing last year where I kept bringing up the ORTG the last 15 games of the ACC season and how Toney and Champ were the best 2 players by far at the tail end of last season. Now look where they ended up. Champ has a season ORTG of 119 and is in the running for ACC POY. And Toney finished at 107 and is a borderline all conference performer. You could see it coming with these 2 a mile away that they were going to breakout this year by digging into the numbers. Odukale is next, he will breakout next year, guaranteed.
Horton is a tougher case. His ACC ortg sits at 108 averaging 10.6ppg which is still quite good for a sophomore in ACC Conference play. But he is too inconsistent for me to make the call on a significant breakout next year. Earlier this season I said he would breakout next year with increased playing time but Im retracting that statement for now. I think Horton is still a quality building block piece but need to see a lot more consistency.
Without X getting him wide open 3’s he’s creeping closer and closer to my 8 PPG prediction! I don’t miss!
Johnson was a really good point guard who put us in position to win a lot of games. He’ll probably end up as one of the most underappreciated players in recent Pitt history.
At the same time, Femi played well on Saturday, I expect him to play well the rest of the season, and I think he’s got a chance to be really good, too. I’m curious to see how he’ll respond to the rest of the conference getting a little more of a scouting report on him.
At the same time, Femi played well on Saturday, I expect him to play well the rest of the season, and I think he’s got a chance to be really good, too. I’m curious to see how he’ll respond to the rest of the conference getting a little more of a scouting report on him.
I don't understand the need to declare who is better at this point. I think Femi has a really promising future. He definitely has a court sense you can't teach. But saying he's an obvious improvement is wishful thinking, at this point.
Big difference between X and Femi is when they get to the rim. Im not totally fair because XJ got tons of assists too.
X flies to the rim and either gets a bucket t.o. or charge.
Getting to the line was easier his freshman year.
Femi gets to the hole much more deliberately and in control.
He's less prone for t.o. and charges. And i just see more upside longterm.
I think his shooting is going to come around fine.
My main issue is he's a lil too dribbly right now for my taste.
And teams have found it easy to disrupt the bullshit we do in the beginning of our offensive sets and it eats time.
X flies to the rim and either gets a bucket t.o. or charge.
Getting to the line was easier his freshman year.
Femi gets to the hole much more deliberately and in control.
He's less prone for t.o. and charges. And i just see more upside longterm.
I think his shooting is going to come around fine.
My main issue is he's a lil too dribbly right now for my taste.
And teams have found it easy to disrupt the bullshit we do in the beginning of our offensive sets and it eats time.
Femi is better than X it’s not even close he can run a team better understand how to run a offense can play defense I mean the kids outstanding can Dribble drive in Kik or he could finish or he can dump it off we couldn’t say that about X. With X gone our team has a bigger lineup more disruptive they played better defense as a team they played better as a team on offense and this is really the first game without those two players that transferred who by the way were cancer to the team here’s another thing to look at look how our players moved on offense femi, with X the stood around looking lost. This team is a lot better with them 2 gone. We look like a team that liked each other and picked each other up was nice to see again been a long time since I sent team ball. Good job coach and players I commend you.
Yep - when the NC point got serious on Femi one of the last series, Femi dribbled the air out of the ball for a whole possession, might not have got past the top of the key. His size and length can be tough on them play to play, but he has had trouble with the quicker guards both offensively and defensively when they really focus up. Anxious to see how he trains up going into next year.
While Femi definitely is less likely to turn the ball over or get a charging foul doing to the basket, he definitely has room to improve on converting, especially at his size. I suspect he will figure that out.
VERY much agree with the last sentence - that has been an issue for a LONG time now. Pretty much offensive trip teams attach the top of the offensive set and it takes half the possession just to get the offense moving.
Very important point. What happens with his play after his strengths are identified and game planned against, how will he perform?
He never quite settled in consistently to that role of being the compliment to the big three - some of that might be on HCJC not finding a way to strategically dial up plays to set him up. Season is pretty much over, but I think while he tried to step up and force the action yesterday, he unfortunately was the number two guy on the scouting report vs the number four guy.
Hidden Stat for you
Femi Odukale has the best midrange game on the entire roster.
ACC Conference Midrange shooting percentages for the entire ACC conference schedule
Odukale- 46.2%
Toney-43.5%
Horton- 35%
Champ- 34.9%
X-25%
The thought that Femi cant shoot only applies to free throws and 3's. Odukale's 3 point shooting percentage is 29% in ACC Conference play. He's only attempted 14 shots so the sample size is too small for any conclusions.
Last year before the broken arm at Springfield, Odukale was an 80% foul shooter and 40% 3 point shooter.
That’s not encouraging. The fact he is such an awful FT shooter and a bad 3 point shooter while remaining a solid mid range shooter suggests multiple things to be in play here:
1. A possible mental issue preventing him from having similar results at different ranges,
2. Long term structural damage to the arm which has messed with his ability to guage different ranges
3. All of his stats are too small of a sample size to declare him anything at this point.
it’s obviously most likely 3.
Broken arm I am guessing plays a role in his stregnth/comfort finishing through contact. With his frame I Would expect 5-10 lbs of muscle to be added headed into next year which should translate into more rim finishes and the ability to take more contact.
I wouldn't necessarily agree or disagree with what you say.
Although I think considering how bad the arm was broken, my thought process was that it was going to take a full year before his shooting returns back to normal which is the same length it took Posh Alexander who also suffered a horrific broken arm injury and it took Posh a full year to get his shooting going again.
Odukale lost a ton of muscle / weight after he broke the arm. He is still very skinny to what he looked like last year.
I agree it is most likely #3. Especially when you consider -- He started out 8/25 -- 32% FT Shooter through the Duke Game. and Since he has been - 18/28 64.3% not great but a dramatic improvement over the first half of the year.
Wasted actions. Kills me. One encouraging thing is it appears to me Will Jeffress might be the one player who actually knows how to set a pick.
AKC is 4 year ACC caliber player. Never will be our top option but will have a career similar to Talib Zanna or Nasir Robinson. Does the little things well and helps the team win. Capable of having big nights as a junior / senior but a solid role playing ACC starter.
If we had another big at AKC's level we would have several more wins this year.
Wow, you're on crack. Zanna and Robinson were multi-year starters on good to great Pitt teams. AKC is NOWHERE close to those guys. He is much more similar to a Derrick Randall....ie a P6 level reserve
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