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[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Seems like a waste for Capel. Takes a while for bigs to develop. Capel has one year. They would tie up two spots. Leaving only 4 left. And you know he won’t bring in 4 major contributing transfers out of 4 spots.

I think it's possible that the very raw freshmen versions of some talented guys could still be more productive than some of the barrel-scrapings we're in on in the portal. Like we might as well have been milking a stone when it came to Oladapo and Payton.

I guess the counterargument is that it might take six "ready-now" portal players just to find one or two hits. I really don't know. But I still think that any chance we have of landing a REALLY good player will have to be via the high school path. Established portal players who are actually sought-after just aren't going to come here.

None of this is probably worth as much thought as I just put into it, though, because I think we're just ticking down the days until we can start over as a program... again.

 

[Pitt Rank 247]

I don’t understand this argument. Capel won’t be able to bring in major contributing transfers to fill the open spots, so he shouldn’t use two of those spots on a pair of 6’10-7’0 kids who are highly ranked?

They aren’t highly ranked. ON3 is a disaster.. look at 247 and rivals. You see why these kids are looking at the schools they are.

 

[Drew1208]

I see no hurt in bringing in 2 7 footers when we have no other players coming and need 4 bigs.

 

[Pitt79]

Would be big additions, in my opinion. Can they help as early as this year? I have no idea. Maybe they can; maybe only one can; maybe neither can. But they're just about the best of what's left for the '22 class, and you have to start somewhere. Give me these guys over a 6'5" center from CCBC or something, like I expect to read we offered any day now.

CCBC? Community College of Baltimore County?

 

[NCanton Panther]

I see no hurt in bringing in 2 7 footers when we have no other players coming and need 4 bigs.

Yep, there is nothing on the surface to suggest we’re in any sort of either/or situation when we’re talking about recruits ready to or in the ball park of committing

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Would be nice if he could bring in Kepnang and Njie as well. Njie more likely, not sure that bridge with Westtown was not blown up now.

That would be like hitting the lottery right now

 

[Jeffburgh]

Never reads well when you see the phrase Pitt has 7 open scholarships. I guess except when they are a package deal and not all schools have open spots for a package deal. I’ll take the size for sure, but can these guys play?

The one is actually a really talented forward prospect, the one who is a center is not as highly regarded, but would hands down be the second best C prospect that the current coach had brought in.
Word is they are in play for them, but we have heard that song and dance end in a WOMP, WOMP most times.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

i dont know, we've just endured the worst 6 year stretch in program history. would another losing season really be the difference maker?

I think anyone who still cares isn’t going anywhere !

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

The one is actually a really talented forward prospect, the one who is a center is not as highly regarded, but would hands down be the second best C prospect that the current coach had brought in.
Word is they are in play for them, but we have heard that song and dance end in a WOMP, WOMP most times.

Initially, I thought I had seen that we offered one and not the other. My god, I'm happy that's not the case. Capel would have to be a moron to do that again (I think Julian had a technical offer, but we certainly didn't put the full-court press on him). Hell, even if one sucked we have enough scholarships open where we could/should offer him just to get his brother.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

I think anyone who still cares isn’t going anywhere !

It's like any other sport in this town: Fans are going to watch if they are a good team and are not going to watch if they suck. It's a fallacy to think fans are gained or lost for life.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

It's like any other sport in this town: Fans are going to watch if they are a good team and are not going to watch if they suck. It's a fallacy to think fans are gained or lost for life.

There’s so few of us left , only the diehard fans are left .

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

There’s so few of us left , only the diehard fans are left .

Because we suck. But if we go 31-5 next year you can bet the Pete will be packed. Okay, I can't even say that with a straight face. If we go 31-5 in five years... put it that way.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Because we suck. But if we go 31-5 next year you can bet the Pete will be packed. Okay, I can't even say that with a straight face. If we go 31-5 in five years... put it that way.

No doubt !

 

[Rezzo]

You might believe that, but I guarantee you that he doesn't.

He believes he will be here because he will, no matter how bad he does!!! Lyke is behind him and won’t eat that pay out

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

In all seriousness how can you say this?

Because unlike many of the people on this board I try to live in the real world. This notion that people have that Capel has quit and isn't doing anything at all is the kind of stuff that people who post on message boards say to try to make themselves feel better about a crappy situation.

I’m pretty sure the AD has laid out Capels future for him in clear wording. He knows, as all coaches at this level know, win and keep job or get better job, lose and get fired.

This is exactly the situation.

 

[Parkview57]

Because unlike many of the people on this board I try to live in the real world.

Got it this time. I had to go back and read the post , your response was actually guaranteeing that Capel does intend to be here beyond next year,( and is working/planning that way. ) Mea culpa.

 

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

There are so many possible reasons that Pitt would keep Capel beyond next year, totally unrelated to his actual performance, that it should surprise people far more if they do set him loose. Any or all of these factors are going to be more important:

* AD not wanting that stain of failure, especially if she’s actively seeking better jobs, which is almost certain…Pitt certainly ain’t her dream. Remember, it technically isn’t a failure until he’s actually let go.

* New chancellor, who will quite likely be a POC (or at the very least much more progressive than the current), who will want to back him. Remember that winning in revenue sports will be even less important than ever to Pitt leadership in coming years.

* New Pgh mayor also a POC. Recall he ran on the pledge to put POC first in the city, and could raise a public stink if Pitt looks to be dissing a fellow POC who has been socially active. Remember that Pitt and the city have a tumultuous relationship, even in best of times. Is it worth jeopardizing civic cooperation for future development plans, just to dump a basketball coach?

* Pitt students who are highly progressive and most certainly were NOT drawn to attending the school with visions of cheering in the Oakland Zoo. Remember, the current generation of undergrads at Pitt likely can’t even remember a Pitt team in the NCAA tournament. But they HAVE been taught that social matters are the most important thing in the world. Run off a POC coach merely for losing silly games??? How bourgeois! Occupy The Pete!

* And possibly the most: Even if the Capel buyout goes significantly down after this year, it still is gonna be pretty high. All of us here cavalierly scoffing at 5 million or whatever. Remember, Pitt (with a new progressive chancellor not in the least but interested in winning sports) might be even less willing to grovel to the obnoxious bourgeois old white rich guys that will demand, gasp, input.

That all said, even all this might not be enough if he does an 0-fer or close to it, and while still time to go, it appears so far like he might reach a low never seen in talent here. If the program is even a bigger laughingstock than it already is, the ACC will likely have something to say as well.

Dam, what a sad situation.

 

[Pitt Rank 247]

There are so many possible reasons that Pitt would keep Capel beyond next year, totally unrelated to his actual performance, that it should surprise people far more if they do set him loose. Any or all of these factors are going to be more important:

* AD not wanting that stain of failure, especially if she’s actively seeking better jobs, which is almost certain…Pitt certainly ain’t her dream. Remember, it technically isn’t a failure until he’s actually let go.

* New chancellor, who will quite likely be a POC (or at the very least much more progressive than the current), who will want to back him. Remember that winning in revenue sports will be even less important than ever to Pitt leadership in coming years.

* New Pgh mayor also a POC. Recall he ran on the pledge to put POC first in the city, and could raise a public stink if Pitt looks to be dissing a fellow POC who has been socially active. Remember that Pitt and the city have a tumultuous relationship, even in best of times. Is it worth jeopardizing civic cooperation for future development plans, just to dump a basketball coach?

* Pitt students who are highly progressive and most certainly were NOT drawn to attending the school with visions of cheering in the Oakland Zoo. Remember, the current generation of undergrads at Pitt likely can’t even remember a Pitt team in the NCAA tournament. But they HAVE been taught that social matters are the most important thing in the world. Run off a POC coach merely for losing silly games??? How bourgeois! Occupy The Pete!

* And possibly the most: Even if the Capel buyout goes significantly down after this year, it still is gonna be pretty high. All of us here cavalierly scoffing at 5 million or whatever. Remember, Pitt (with a new progressive chancellor not in the least but interested in winning sports) might be even less willing to grovel to the obnoxious bourgeois old white rich guys that will demand, gasp, input.

That all said, even all this might not be enough if he does an 0-fer or close to it, and while still time to go, it appears so far like he might reach a low never seen in talent here. If the program is even a bigger laughingstock than it already is, the ACC will likely have something to say as well.

Dam, what a sad situation.

How to tell people that you don’t understand a situation in 5 paragraphs by Ole Five Sixer..

Congrats..

 

[Parkview57]

How to tell people that you don’t understand a situation in 5 paragraphs by Ole Five Sixer..

Ok, how about giving a logical argument against any, or all points?( Maybe make a new handle for this one lest you be "found out.")

 

[Ronnyp91]

Ok, how about giving a logical argument against any, or all points?( Maybe make a new handle for this one lest you be "found out.")

Where’s this non-sense about the new chancellor not caring about sports coming from? You liked it so you must agree and know it to be true.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Ok, how about giving a logical argument against any, or all points?( Maybe make a new handle for this one lest you be "found out.")

It's hard to argue logically against something that is so devoid of logic in the first place.

But sure, OK, I'm just killing time here, so why not.

1) The notion that Capel "technically isn’t a failure until he’s actually let go" is moronic. He absolutely is a failure. Is it theoretically possible that he can turn his failure around into something better? Yeah, sure, theoretically. But the idea that his tenure has not so far been a failure is just dumb. There can't be anyone, not even Capel himself, who doesn't think his tenure has been a failure to date.

2) The notion that a new chancellor who is a POC will put up with a complete failure simple because the person who has failed is also a POC is, well, let's be polite an just point out that it's really dumb so as not to inflame the situation by calling it what it really is. And since no one has any idea at all who the new chancellor is going to be, isn't it a little early to be stating as an absolute certainty that this person, whomever they will be, is not going to care about winning in revenue sports?

3) Unless the mayor of Pittsburgh is a big money donor (and he isn't) he isn't going to have any say at all in who Pitt's basketball coach is. I mean seriously, does anyone think that's actually true? "Oh no, Jeff Capel is a disaster but we better not fire him because the mayor of Pittsburgh is a black guy!"

4) The idea that Pitt students who don't care about basketball are going to be up in arms because Pitt fired a failing basketball coach simply because that basketball coach is a POC might be the most ridiculous of his arguments. And even if for some reason all those students magically started to care about who the basketball coach is, why on earth would they support a failing one? What if they fire a failing POC coach and hire a successful POC to be the coach? Wouldn't that actually be better if your main concern is backing a POC just because he's a POC?

5) As I have said before, none of us actually knows the full details of any buyouts, but the idea that Pitt won't buy out a failing basketball coach for $5 million is just dumb. Especially when there will be people of means who, after another bad season and with little or no hope for the future, will be willing to put the money up to pay it.

 

[Parkview57]

You liked it so you must agree and know it to be true.

Dam, what a sad situation.

That, I don't like, but yes I agree with; you don't like it, so you must think it is a happy situation, by your own logic.

 

[Parkview57]

But sure, OK, I'm just killing time here, so why not.

One of the best answers I have encountered, here Let's hope that is logic applied in all these situations, as you point out very well what the outcome would be. The problem is logic is not always applied, I give you Capel's extension as proof of it.