Renato Brown is a 6-4, 280-pound Offensive/ Defensive Tackle from West Palm Beach, FL set visits to Pitt and PedSt. Not sure what side of the ball Pitt is recruiting him but he would be a very good get.
Former Miami commit to visit Pitt.
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Stealing a Miami commit? Sign me up.
Agreed - but you will have posters like Jpripper telling us he is only a 3 star, and that all those offers listed on this site were noncommittable if he chooses us.
He wants to play DT not OL. Miami wanted him for OL. Offer him as a DT even though we have lots of DT’s. If he can’t get on the field early let him know it’s going to be easier at OL. Worked out well for guys like Pinkston, Malecki and Clemmings.
Being able to play in front of your hometown fans a couple times should be a selling point for PITT, lets see how the recruiters handle it.
A good get???? You better check with pittdan77... He's only a 3 star player..., LOL!
That is untrue and a tired line. You deserve to be included with your gang of excuse making losers like meister, FireBallz, and Gary77. It stinks that you are associated with Pitt.
Why should any of us really care whether any OL or DL (especially OL) recruit with the appropriate physical size has 2, 3 or 4 stars? It is all seems pretty meaningless for linemen. Unlike with skill-position guys where ratings are really telling you something, it is just too hard to project how 17 year old high school "Baby Hueys" will turn out as college redshirt juniors when they have become 22 year old men. Five-star Bill Fralic types who can play and contribute almost immediately are practically non-existent.
The only one making excuses is YOU.
"Gee we don't have enough 4 stars players, so that means we can't win..."
We have enough talent to compete for a coastal division title this year... Stop making these lame straw man excuses... We'll know THIS YEAR how well Pitt is recruiting.
Stop bellyaching and support the staff and the team.... If Narduzzi fails, he will be replaced. In the meantime, relax, watch the games and shut your yap!
I am not making excuses for the staff or program. It is their job to win. They cannot consistently compete in the way they need to with the talent they are recruiting.
You clearly don't know what a "straw man" is.
I support Pitt. I support whatever has to happen for Pitt to win, not individual coaches. I don't make excuses for those coaches not doing what needs to be done, even if I like the guy.
Since you're way smarter than everyone you've ever met, care to enlighten the board with your evaluation of this kid versus the other players committed to play OL?
"I am not making excuses for the staff or program. It is their job to win. They cannot consistently compete in the way they need to with the talent they are recruiting."
No you are not making excuses for the staff or the program, you are saying that we are not going to win this year or in the future based on the recruiting classes you've seen from Narduzzi
Is that correct?
If so, it is unfair until we see the results this year and going toward. This is Narduzzi's team now. He recruited these players. He has players that are juniors (Hamlin) and others that have been with the program now for three years. If he goes 5-7 and 7-6 over the next two years, then you are correct in your assumption. I'm willing to keep my pie hole shut until after the season. If he finishes 5-7, or 6-6 his seat will be warm going into next season.
Yes, it's ok to be critical of recruiting based on stars for the sake of conversation. However the hysterical drum beating after every commitment becomes sickening after a while.
Lighten up...
Because the correlation still holds up.
It's not a coincidence that it's the same teams dominating college football every year. They monopolize the big time trench recruits.
I am saying (and have been saying consistently) we cannot consistently compete with the talent disparity we currently have. It is as simple as that. It does not mean we cannot have one really good year. It does not mean we will be below .500 for the rest of HCPN's tenure. It means that history has told us over and over and over again that we cannot expect to consistently compete (to be a top 20 program and contend for ACC championships) with a talent disparity. It doesn't happen. We are not going to be the exception.
People are not hysterical when they say we cannot expect to consistently compete if we are at a significant talent disadvantage and history 100% backs that up. The people who are "hysterical" are the ones who say it is trolling to use example based logic that shows we are falling further and further behind our competition and that it is extremely unlikely we can compete unless recruiting gets much better on a macro level. The same people you call trolls/Nitters are the ones who want more for Pitt and care far more about Pitt than whoever is currently being paid millions of dollars to be Pitt's HC.
OL is the most "under coached" position in HS football. But you care because you'd like to have a kid that is somewhat prepared for what will be asked of him at the college level. That comes from what coaching they've received to how much time they've spent in the weight room. There's a big difference in a Carter Warren versus an Owen Drexel coming out of HS. Neither were close to being ready to start. Warren is a quality P5 recruit because of his size, his reach, and because he had a weight program at his HS. Drexel was not for all of the same reasons. There are reasons why I liked Drexel as a project but they have to do with what I know about OL play and watching his film. He's not a "major project" if that makes sense. In fact, it's possible that Drexel sees the field ahead of Warren. But they also will play two very different positions on the line.
The evaluations aren't meaningless but you are correct that there is more room for error with OL. The "ready to play today" kids are rare and easy to spot but so are really big projects. You'd much rather have a roster full of Warren's or this kid than a bunch of projects.
In the end, OL play in college football absolutely sucks. There really are only a few teams with legit OLs.
The majority of those teams have them because they land the elite OL recruits. Phil Steele's Top 10 OLs going into 2018 are:
Wisky, UGA, Bam, Stanford, OU, BC, Ohio State, ND, USC, Missouri.
There are some exceptions to the recruiting rankings among those OLs, as there always will be. But outside of probably Wisky, teams take turns being the exceptions. Boston College isn't ranked in the Top 10 OLs year after year. Some other team will hit and it will now be there turn.
But Bama, Ohio State, UGA, etc. are always in the Top 10. And it's not a coincidence that Bama and Ohio State basically make the CFPs every year. OL play sucks, because it's one of the positions that have been hit hardest by NCAA coaching regulations. How do you mitigate that? Monopolize the recruits that don't need as much coaching and development. Land two freshmen capable of starting on your OL and running over teams on your way to the national championship game (UGA last year).
The majority of those teams have them because they land the elite OL recruits. Phil Steele's Top 10 OLs going into 2018 are:
Wisky, UGA, Bam, Stanford, OU, BC, Ohio State, ND, USC, Missouri.
There are some exceptions to the recruiting rankings among those OLs, as there always will be. But outside of probably Wisky, teams take turns being the exceptions. Boston College isn't ranked in the Top 10 OLs year after year. Some other team will hit and it will now be there turn.
But Bama, Ohio State, UGA, etc. are always in the Top 10. And it's not a coincidence that Bama and Ohio State basically make the CFPs every year. OL play sucks, because it's one of the positions that have been hit hardest by NCAA coaching regulations. How do you mitigate that? Monopolize the recruits that don't need as much coaching and development. Land two freshmen capable of starting on your OL and running over teams on your way to the national championship game (UGA last year).
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