Man, after seeing some of the responses here, I'm almost tempted to take Steel temporarily off ignore just to see what nonsensical information he's spouting this time.
Key word is almost.
Key word is almost.
Foster
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Maybe I'm crazy, but I would not waste a scholie on a 1 year player who hardly sees the field. Bama had 8 different kids catch a pass Saturday and Foster was not one of them, he couldn't beat out a Bowling Green transfer for crying out loud. I don't understand the love affair here, he spurned PITT and maybe it was good for PITT. Some kids just don't make it from HS to the college game.
Steel I love your energy, but sometimes it gets in the way of reality. Saban may go down as the best college coach ever, but you are talking about one year in a different era.
I'm with ya Steel, Pitt would put a hurtin on Alabama. Our OL would manhandle Bama's DL. They can't cover Weah. Pitt's secondary is the weakness, and throwing it is Bama's weakness.
Bama got lucky Pitt won't be in the CFP!
Bama got lucky Pitt won't be in the CFP!
Our offense would score on any college team. The problem is Bama would light our defense up. We would need to play a clean game, and be +2 or more in the turnover margin.
Yep, essentially play as we did vs Clemson and probably score an extra TD. We will see how we potentially stack up when Clemson (hopefully) faces Alabama.
Shell
Ok, I'll spell it out for you. He was not dismissed from the team. You can, "yeah but" all you want, but even super superior people like you have a hard time avoiding the facts. He left the team and the school. He was set to transfer to UCLA, but they changed their mind. He asked to come back to Pitt, but Chryst did not answer any of his inquiries.
He was rated out of HS, I think, as the #1 RB in the country- a sure thing destined for greatness. Where is he now at the end of his WVa career? All of the other 4 star (5?) players that crawled back to Pitt amounted to very little.
Most here assume that Foster, if he returns to Pitt, will perform like an All American merely by virtue of having been on the Tide team.. Is it not quite possible that Foster, too, was vastly overrated? Odds say that he would likely follow the pattern of our past, highly rated returnees.
So many worship at the feet of the Saban statute, as they did and will do again, at the Paterno idol, that they know with unshakeable certainty that Saban, by his mere touch can bestow greatness upon any of his chosen.
Hope I was able to clear some of the cobwebs from your huge and cavernous cranium. Thanks for the insightful and civil reply
Ok, I'll spell it out for you. He was not dismissed from the team. You can, "yeah but" all you want, but even super superior people like you have a hard time avoiding the facts. He left the team and the school. He was set to transfer to UCLA, but they changed their mind. He asked to come back to Pitt, but Chryst did not answer any of his inquiries.
He was rated out of HS, I think, as the #1 RB in the country- a sure thing destined for greatness. Where is he now at the end of his WVa career? All of the other 4 star (5?) players that crawled back to Pitt amounted to very little.
Most here assume that Foster, if he returns to Pitt, will perform like an All American merely by virtue of having been on the Tide team.. Is it not quite possible that Foster, too, was vastly overrated? Odds say that he would likely follow the pattern of our past, highly rated returnees.
So many worship at the feet of the Saban statute, as they did and will do again, at the Paterno idol, that they know with unshakeable certainty that Saban, by his mere touch can bestow greatness upon any of his chosen.
Hope I was able to clear some of the cobwebs from your huge and cavernous cranium. Thanks for the insightful and civil reply
He only has one year of eligibility left and would have to sit a year unless it is under the grad transfer rule.
Exactly. He was disciplined and told to shape up or ship out and he couldn't turn back to Pitt when he wanted to. His situation isn't remotely similar to Foster's. Not even one iota.
@steel_curtain can you please enlighten us with the rest of your "etc." list and why everyone else is wrong about Saban and Meyer and the rankings of those coaches?
A guy who can't even spell 2 of the 3 coaches' names he is lauding is sure to be chock full of great insight.
LOL at Robert Foster. Pitt has 2 wr's on Pitts team that have a legit chance to make the NFL in Weah and Henderson thanks to Narduzzi and Matt Canada and this explosive offense. Both have shown explosive play ability. Both look like NFL talents. Hey Foster, you can be a walk on player at Pitt if you want to come back. Pay your own way pal. Karma sucks doesn't it? Grass greener on the other side, huh? Watch Paris Ford stay home and be an All American and hero in Pittsburgh before he explodes in the NFL. Your a no name nobody in Tuscaloosa Foster.
Who are the "etc." coaches of the 90's, steel? What are your all time coach rankings? Why are they completely different from everyone who actually follows the sport and knows which teams are in FBS?
Thankfully the coaches aren't big babies that had their feelings hurt because a kid chose (or his pops influenced him) to play elsewhere. If they think he can help and wants to be here, he will be. If not so be it.
As far as Henderson - he'll certainly be in the NFL based on his return abilities alone. But what's he done as a WR? He's essentially been a RB so we don't really know much about his receiving abilities.
As far as Henderson - he'll certainly be in the NFL based on his return abilities alone. But what's he done as a WR? He's essentially been a RB so we don't really know much about his receiving abilities.
I love me some Qadree Henderson but he has done 0 in the vertical passing game. Throw him in the slot with burners like Weah and Foster split out and we become scary.
Isnt there the Daddy needs another car rule for guys like Foster and Daddy Foster.
He'll be shopping around since the Bama Escalade probably been "chopped up" and sold in pieces by the homeboys in the neighborhood!
Maybe someone in the PITT athletic office will offer up one of their used cars to interest the Fosters.
When you look at all this stuff its absolutely a joke!
Adults chasing these primadona children all over the place and a lot turn out to be "Nothings" in football, basketball and life!
We need a new system!
Semi pro football/basketball
U football/basketball
Both have a shot for a pro job!
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I do expect Tipton, currently sidelined with injury, to make some nice strides in the off season. I'd love Foster, but if it doesn't happen, I'm happy with Weah, Tipton and Matthews (vertical passing attack) and Henderson, Ffrench (screens, jets).
Agreed. The potential for explosiveness is there. But potential is a fancy word for he ain't done sh** yet. If he adds that to his game look out. But until then...
@steel_curtain doesn't know who that is. Probably doesn't know who Derrick Thomas, Shaun Alexander, or Dwight Stephenson are, either.
I guess Pitt should have never taken Nate peterman or tom savage. They didn't want to come to ITT in the first place so screw them, right?
Agreed, H2P. There are reason for not taking Foster but none of which should be that he chose another school initially. Savage did the same in choosing Rutgers over Pitt. And, hell, Pitt was never even considered by Peterman. And, yup, one's backing up in NFL and the other will likely soon be a late round NFL pick.
Again, you have completely missed the point. Shell , as have many other highly rated HS targets from this area who went elsewhere, did not succeed there and then returned to Pitt and accomplished very little. In Shell's case, Pitt did not accept him and he then enrolled in Wva and has had a very unspectacular career.
THE POINT IS THAT MANY OF THESE HIGHLY RATED HS WUNDERKIND WERE OVERRATED. And that returning to Pitt will not magically make them elite. The problems that Shell had at Pitt are irrelevant to this argument. His career at WVa clearly indicates that he was overrated. In Foster's 3 yrs at Alabama, he has done nothing outstanding. Briefly, highly rated kids who have not succeeded over several years will most likely not suddenly blossom into greatness at the end of their college careers by transferring to Pitt.
The similarity is that both Shell and Foster were overrated and that their career accomplishments support this. Neither Shell nor Foster would become great by returning to Pitt.
THE POINT IS THAT MANY OF THESE HIGHLY RATED HS WUNDERKIND WERE OVERRATED. And that returning to Pitt will not magically make them elite. The problems that Shell had at Pitt are irrelevant to this argument. His career at WVa clearly indicates that he was overrated. In Foster's 3 yrs at Alabama, he has done nothing outstanding. Briefly, highly rated kids who have not succeeded over several years will most likely not suddenly blossom into greatness at the end of their college careers by transferring to Pitt.
The similarity is that both Shell and Foster were overrated and that their career accomplishments support this. Neither Shell nor Foster would become great by returning to Pitt.
There's certainly something to your argument however it's much easier to get buried at Bama than it is at WVU. He was in line for playing time this year and got hurt and that was pretty much that.
I don't know if he'd be able to contribute at Pitt an I don't think any poster on here does either. As I said before it's a ship for 1 year so unless they need that ship for someone else he'd be worth taking a chance on.
Yeah, that wasn't the point here. Perhaps you tried to make another point about potential, but that was not the theme of that discussion. Many high level recruits do not succeed. Why? Most have to do with translating more than athleticism to a higher level game and dealing with failure for the first time in life and how they respond and work through that. Why do many others? Because they are at places like Alabama where EVERYONE is a top level recruit and an injury combined with another player coming in more polished and ready to handle the mental part leaves them swimming in quicksand. That doesn't mean they couldn't succeed at a program with more opportunities and a lot less talent to battle with. The funny thing is you and many other posters talk about this after the fact, but then chastise a recruit like Foster for picking that environment, entirely, because it would be easier to get on the field and star at Pitt from the get go, even if they might not have everything figured 100%.
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Interesting side note to the Shell saga is that Paul Chryst took heat from many for letting him go and then for not taking him back.
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