Well oddly enough he played better in the Wisconsin game. But remind me what the outcome was there.
Maybe that’s the problem. If he’d have played as poorly as he did in the Ohio State game maybe Pitt would have won.
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Maybe that’s the problem. If he’d have played as poorly as he did in the Ohio State game maybe Pitt would have won.
Does the thought never enter you mind that what he saw in those games that you mentioned is part of what has led him to believe that playing Delalic more minutes is a mistake?
I mean you mention four games. He did little against WVU (he actually only played 8 minutes). He was good against Wisconsin. He was pretty bad against Mississippi State (had lots of company that night). And he was bad against Ohio State. Other than the Wisconsin game, what exactly did he do in those other three to make someone think that he merited more playing time?
His total numbers from those three, 68 minutes, 9 points, 1-2 on 1s, 1-4 on 2s, 2-6 on 3s, 9 rebounds, 0 assists (odd for such a great passer), 7 turnovers, 0 blocks, 0 steals.
Do you know who Stephen Gertz is? You think he is clinging to hope about any player or is he evaluating that player?
On offense, yeah, basically we did. Seeing as to how he was nearly a complete non-entity on offense.
All those types have a great track record. They’re never wrong.
Do you know what confirmation bias is?
We played better against Ohio State and Wisconsin than we are playing now?
Ohio State and Wisconsin are significantly inferior to who we are playing now?
You are hung up on stats. Lowe gets stats every game. Is Lowe currently helping or hurting?
No question Pitt played better against OSU. But it wasn’t because of Amsal.
By the way I’m not writing him off. He may end up being a good (or better) player. Gertz might end up being right. But often times it doesn’t happen right away.
Well, we need something right away. Four in a row and dropping like a rock. Three guys taking turns playing one on five and driving into the tall trees. No ball movement. No team play. Something gotta change.
Wow. Our "other 4 " must be unworldly.
Once we removed that complete non-entity Amsal from the picture, we must have become unstoppable?
That's fair, but then it's a shame that he's the best we could do. Because we could really use a wing who could contribute heavily.
We can agree there. But they extended him so the true needed change isn’t likely. I used body of work earlier - Capel’s isn’t good.
And maybe with the new landscape the 2 big sports at Pitt are effed.
I still think we should be focusing more on why Jorge only played for 2 minutes today. I mean the guy is only shooting over 60% from 3 which is unheard of. Instead especially late in a close game we got to instead watch guys shoot awful 3's that had no chance at all of going in.
I think that is a better discussion to have than Delalic right now.
I think that is a better discussion to have than Delalic right now.
He's good at identifying guard talent. But it seems like that's about the extent of his skillset, which feels more like an assistant coach-worthy repertoire.
Kind of frustrating that he landed an extension based on improving on what was largely his own incompetence.
To steal a line from the Emporor Chas Noll, the problems are great, and they are many.
You may be right in terms of priority, but there’s a lot to discuss. Especially with a run like this after it appeared a little promising earlier.
Agree about Jorge. Even with Jorge playing more, I would still have Amsal playing more.
Look. outside of (a good) Lowe and Leggett, no one should be playing high 30 minutes. No one else (maybe a fully recovered Dunn ) is good enough to get that.
I got Kante spelling GDG a bit (3-4 minutes a half), the same with Jorge for Corhen and Amsal for Austin.
Keep those guys fresh and out of foul trouble (they are foul prone) and give our opponents different looks through personnel because they otherwise can get locked in because we never vary scheme.
Yeah I see no promise now unfortunately.
Think about this if we miss the NCAA Tournament again this season(which is looking more and more likely), the Jeff Capel tenure at Pitt would have only produced an invite to a damn play-in game 1 TIME in 7 years!!! Every other season under him the team was left out. He seems like a really nice guy but it's obvious he needs flat out superstars(Blake Griffin) to have any kind of run in March. He's a below avg coach.
I've been as bullish as anyone on Amsal. Unfortunately, for whatever reasons, he has struggled to fit and settle in. Getting injured before the season may have been a real setback. That's valuable time lost to getting to know his role and how Capel likes to run things. I'm still hopeful for him but now fear he will be portal bound after the season due to the lack of playing time.
I will disagree here.
Capel made the tournament 2 years ago (**** that play in narrative, we deserved in). We deserved in last year as well, absolutely.
This year had started off strong. Timing of the schedule is biting us in the ass here.
When we play, and we will, teams where our guards can establish superiority, we will win more than our share. We can still make the tournament.
That being said, Capel is not coaching enough. We need to at least tweak things for each opponent. We can not just do what we do. We do not have the talent to play that way.
What we can not do is what we have become accustomed to doing this year: Having three players taking turns playing dribble drive one on five. Surely that is not a winning formula.
Capel can recruit (here). He has proven that (better than anyone else in a very long time).
The last 3 years has also shown that he can win here, but should do better. He either needs to coach to opponents and styles differently or hire someone to accomplish that task for him. That is what needs done to advance the program.
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I think the collapse is on but I hope I'm wrong. I don't have faith Capel can bring this team together. You know why the last 2 seasons were his best? It wasn't him it was Blake. He is a leader. Blake is now gone, we all hoped Jaland Lowe would take over that role and he wants no part of it.
Burton was a leader a well.
I think this year's leader is not Lowe. It has to be Leggett or Dunn. I think they can do it.
The worst thing that happened was Lowe closing out Ohio State. Last year, he deferred to Carrington. After Ohio State, he foolishly believes he is "that guy". he isn't.
We dont have the money, which is why people are saying sink money into basketball. We paid decent money to keep Lowe and Leggett. How much more did we have to spend?
That day they pretty much were.
Fortunately, they don't make you play 4 on 5 on offense all the time. Unless you want to.
Also, it's not that I'm hung up on stats. It's that the stats back up what you are seeing on the court.
That is, assuming that you spend more time watching what's going on on the court instead of relying on random tweets to form your opinions.
I mean good god, you think the opinion of a guy who thinks the Delalic's performance against Stanford was why we won is someone we ought to be paying attention to. Pay attention, open your eyes and see for yourself, and you'll find yourself laughing at someone who posted something so completely moronic like everyone else is.
Look, if we are going to be talking about random kids on the team who don’t play, I’m more interested in Jorge and Andy Ndaiye than I am Amsal.
It does seem like a problem to me though that we have 3 wings on the team that don’t seem close to sniffing the court. What seemed at times to be a deep team now seems maybe 6.5 kids deep with Cummings completely unplayable right now.
It does seem like a problem to me though that we have 3 wings on the team that don’t seem close to sniffing the court. What seemed at times to be a deep team now seems maybe 6.5 kids deep with Cummings completely unplayable right now.
We got Dunn back from injury, and instead of expanding our bench it somehow shortened it.
It basically has killed Cummings and his confidence to go from a 15mpg guy to a 5mpg guy. He just can’t do it. And he presses when he gets in there.
Jorge’s minutes for a guy shooting like 60% from 3 baffle me.
Amsal…I just thik his reluctance to shoot, his tendency to just drift into the corners and do nothing on offense more or less sealed his fate.
Again, I’m the only one on this beat but Ndaiye really intrigues me. The length should really play on Defense and his shot is so much improved just watching him in warmups. And he’s like 22 years old lol.
And there’s also Marlon Barnes….
Just a lot of dead weight, unplayable in the coaching staff eyes type players right now.
I think you could probably do a similar exercise with Jorge -- he wasn't doing much until the FSU game. You could argue his play up to that point showed he wasn't worthy of more minutes. But given another chance, he proved he can do something.
Honestly, I'd rather see Capel play 10 guys, with Amsal and Jorge being some of those guys. Sub 5 guys out at a time, I don't care. I get NCAA basketball isn't high school, but I want to see more effort. Spreading minutes around can let guys hustle more while they are out there.
I would play Jorge, making sure to get him some shots. If he's not shooting, he's not worth having on the court. And if he's not hitting the shots, sit him down. But I would give him the opportunity based on how well he's been shooting.
I'm curious, who would be your first 5 and then second 5 that you rotate in?
I guess I hadn't really thought it through, but I think between Lowe, Leggett, Dunn, Corhen, Austin, GDG, JDG, Kante, Cummings, and Amsal, you got 10 guys that have played at least a bit and can give you a couple minutes.
My main point is that when the defensive effort is there, I think this team's potential is pretty decent. I think spreading minutes out a little bit, even if it just a few minutes here and there, could help.
I would like to see a deeper bench too, although I don't know if it would help on the defensive end having Amsal, JDG and Cummings playing more. I think the short bench is what we are going to see though, as the time to get the backups acclimated was in the non-conference, and for whatever reason, Capel didn't do it.
I get your point there. I think you have to tell those three that if we are giving you say 5-6 minutes of playing time, you gotta raise hell during those 5-6 minutes on the defensive end and on the glass. Also you three need to be sprinting up and down the floor. Make the other guy tired -- if there's one way to make it easy on yourself on the defensive end, it's to make the guy you are guarding worn out.
I don't know about Cummings and Amsal, but I think that type of message could work with JDG at least.
The silliness of this thread is what happens when your team loses 4 games in a row.
Pitt doesn't need Amsal to play more. Pitt needs it's best player to start playing like he's their best player and a good point guard. He's been doing a very good Xavier Johnson impersonation the last few games.
Pitt doesn't need Amsal to play more. Pitt needs it's best player to start playing like he's their best player and a good point guard. He's been doing a very good Xavier Johnson impersonation the last few games.
Yeah but I would try and find ways to make it easy for Pitt's best player to play his best. You don't want him on the bench too much, for sure, but instead of having him play 44 minutes like he did yesterday, find ways to give him a little bit of rest here and there. Playing tired results in lazy 3 point attempts like we saw in OT.
Can't be serious. Delacic has been a complete dud this season. Maybe he's a contributor later this season or next season.
Clearly not.
And just as clearly, if instead of what we have been playing, if instead we were getting 37 minutes a game of 5 points on 2-6 from the field with 0 rebounds, 0 assists and 3 turnovers, instead of being 12-6 we'd have won 19 or 20 of the 18 games we've played.
At least.
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