FSU/Mia
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True!
Miami is one of the better
teams in this year's ACC.
They have more talent than
we do IMO. Despite that,
they somehow lost to GT.
They've played Duke and
UVA close before losing.
FSU shot 3-22 on 3's, 14%. Miami was 11-22. Ballgame.
Green, who torched Pitt, was 1-10 from 3. Tough to shoot 50% from 3 two games in a row. Hope the same for Miami.
Even with the 3 point line moved back, college basketball is still really just a 3 point shooting contest. There's probably some stat out there showing that if you outshoot your opponent by 10% or something like that, you win.
Don't be silly. Xavier, for example, has the highest 3-pt shooting percentage in the top 25, yet it has made 3 times as many 2's as 3's. And it has given up more 3's than it has made.
In other ACC action yesterday, anyone else see the ending of the Cuse-UNC game. Has to be frustrating for Cuse fans, they turned what looked like a W into a L.
Cuse up 2 but UNC at the FT line with chance to tie with about 20 seconds left, UNC makes the 1st but misses the 2nd. A scramble for the rebound off the FT miss, a Cuse guard tries to save it before going OB and he ends up tossing to a UNC player for an easy bucket to put them up 1.
Mintz gets called for a charge driving to the bucket at the end that gets upped to a flagrant one because he elbowed Davis in the face during the charge.
Cuse up 2 but UNC at the FT line with chance to tie with about 20 seconds left, UNC makes the 1st but misses the 2nd. A scramble for the rebound off the FT miss, a Cuse guard tries to save it before going OB and he ends up tossing to a UNC player for an easy bucket to put them up 1.
Mintz gets called for a charge driving to the bucket at the end that gets upped to a flagrant one because he elbowed Davis in the face during the charge.
Great ending. Stupid end of game plays by Girard and Mintz. Mintz gets the ball in end of game situations, but comes up short every time. Youth. He's going to be good. Carolina looks apathetic.
Do teams outshoot them by 10% from 3?
I'm saying if you outshoot a team by 10% from 3, your chances of winning are very high.
A simplistic take from a simplistic man. What if you shoot 10 3’s and the other team shoots 20 but they make 8 and you make 5. You think your chances to win are very high? I don’t.
Dumb move by Mintz on the end of game out of control drive but I can’t come down on him too much for it, only because you see so so many players drive to the hoop somewhat out of control and rightfully get called for charging. The elbow to the face looked to occur because he was trying to crossover to the backside of Davis.
And on the prior Cuse possession Mintz had a nice controlled drive with pull-up jumper just outside the key that was a good shot that was half way down and then out. That was a big and unfortunate miss, would have had UNC at the FT line down 4 instead of 2 with 20 seconds left.
Absolutely. 15 points on 10 shots vs 24 points on 20 shots. I would assume that if a team only takes 10 3's (and what percentage of teams only take 10 3s a game, 2%?) does so because they have a strong inside game. So yes, scoring 15 points 10 shots gives you a better chance to win that scoring 24 on 20 shots. Also, this may be hard for you to understand, but it doesn't guarantee victory.
Because there are no other determining factors in your tiny brain. Maybe every one of those extra 3’s they took came off an offensive board? Maybe they only took 10 3’s because they turned it over too much. A very simplistic view
A simplistic view and a correct one in today's college basketball. Ok, so lets put real numbers out there.
I say if a team outshoots another by 10% or more from 3, it has a 75% chance to win. If it outshoots the other team by 20% or more from 3, it has a 90% chance to win. Now your turn. Of course there are other factors but if you took every college game and just applied those numbers, I would be closer to being right than you.
A simple take is all that is needed for the fsu game
Green beat Pitt by going 7/12 from 3.
The team % don’t matter / it was Green beating everyone like a drum
This is what you do: make up some wild scenario out of thin air, with no factual basis, and then challenge others to disprove it. Do some research, and come up with something that is based in reality. If 3 point shooting is so crucial, as you claimed, why does a team like Xavier, which has the best shooting percentage of any team in the top 25, only take 25% of its shots from 3? And why is that same team outscored from 3 by its opponents, and yet is ranked 13th? Total points win games, not shooting percentage.
Yep. Its what I think and good luck disproving it. Better 3 point shooting teams win more often. Wow, that's some off the wall stuff right there. There will always be outliers like Glory Days Pitt and that was due to elite defense/rebounding. But they had to be ELITE. Its rare to be at that level.
Cool
Want to give some some ncaa stats the past few seasons ?
How about top 10 3% by team and when their season ended .
Huh? That isnt what I'm saying. If you are the #1 3 point shooting team in the nation but shoot 5 for 21 from 3 while your opponenet shoots 10 for 25, you are probably going to lose.
Lets look at Pitt's losses
WVU 38%
Pitt 22%
Michigan 45%
Pitt 30%
VCU 28%
Pitt 23%
Pitt 48%
Vandy 32%
Clemson 41%
Pitt 38%
Pitt 27%
Duke 22%
FSU 50%
Pitt 25%
In only 1 of Pitt's 7 losses, did they outshoot their opponent by 10% or more. In the 4 losses which saw a 10% or greater 3 point differential, Pitt is 1-3....which is what I'm saying.
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The top ten teams right now in three point shooting percentage are, in order, Utah State, Belmont, Sam Houston State, Colgate, Xavier, Navy, Youngstown State, Stetson, Toledo and South Dakota.
Of those ten, Xavier is good, Utah State is pretty good, and the other eight are, well, not very good. Not awful, but not very good. And two of them don't even have winning records.
Also note that 15th on the list is Detroit Mercy, who has a player, Antoine Davis, who recently broke the NCAA record for career three pointers (against Robert Morris of all teams). They are currently 8-13.
It's almost as if there is more to it that just making threes. In fact one might say (and indeed, has said) that there is more than one way to win basketball games.
Super Fun info. Mostly irrelevant though. Tell me their records when they outshoot their opponents by 10%. I'm saying its 75% winning percentage
Your claim:
“Better 3 point shooting teams win more often. Wow, that's some off the wall stuff right there”
I’m not going to let you pivot
You state team 3% is the biggest determinant of winning .
I’m asking you to prove it
If Team A shoots 80% making 4 of 5 from 3
And Team be shoots 50% making 10 of 20
Who is more likely to win?
Your fixation on team % is stupid
You are the one making the claim. You provide the data.
Also, what you said, which I directly quoted above and will do so again, is that "better 3 point shooting teams win more often." And that is certainly true in some cases. It is also absolutely not true in others. Or in other words, as a blanket statement it's simply false, and easily proven so.
This is my 1st quote on this subject
"Even with the 3 point line moved back, college basketball is still really just a 3 point shooting contest. There's probably some stat out there showing that if you outshoot your opponent by 10% or something like that, you win."
You know I won this, so you're trying to find a technicality. Good luck. Another W
As people can see, I wasn't joking when I said that sometimes you can't even remember what you posted in the very thread you are posting in.
Cool. You still lose though. Oh, and in only 1 of Xavier's losses was there a 3% differential of 10% or more. DePaul outshot them 45% to 20%. And crazily enough, they lost. Stick around long enough and you'll learn something. 3 point shooting matters.
BTW, just looking at Pitt games only, Pitt shot 48% on threes against Vanderbilt, while Vanderbilt shot 32%. Against North Carolina, Pitt shot 20% on threes while North Carolina shot 32%. Against Virginia, Pitt shot 32% on threes while Virginia shot 43%. Against Georgia Tech Pitt shot 30% on threes while Georgia Tech shot 41%.
That's four games already this season from just one team that go against your theory.
Shocking.
Oh, wait, not shocking.
That's four games already this season from just one team that go against your theory.
Shocking.
Oh, wait, not shocking.
I agree it’s a completely stupid to say the % is the determining factor in games
I thought I'd respond to
this as opposed to SMF's
beyond delusional theory
of 3pt % and winning. ( As
often, hijacking a perfectly
good thread. )
What struck me more than
the ending, is UNC with
clearly superior talent,
finding themselves in a
nailbiter like this in the
first place. It wasn't just
this particular gaame, it
been like this all season.
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