Fury Dominated Wilder
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I don’t really follow boxing anymore but was advised by someone that Wilder would take the money and wait until late and play Fury. Followed his advice and was rewarded with a very easy winner.
Not enough to make up for a horrible day of basketball, but I’ll take it.
Fury is a boxer. And a very good one. It’s crazy that a man his size can move the way he does. Wilder is a puncher and that’s it. He was losing to Ortiz when he landed that eraser.
I still can’t believe how Fury got up on that 2nd knockdown in the first fight. But that was Wilder’s only chance. And the only reason the first one was even a draw. Fury boxed him up in that fight too.
I still can’t believe how Fury got up on that 2nd knockdown in the first fight. But that was Wilder’s only chance. And the only reason the first one was even a draw. Fury boxed him up in that fight too.
I really enjoy boxing. Lord knows I have tried, but I just can’t get into MMA. It just feels like gratuitous violence for gratuitous violence’s sake. I just don’t like it. However, I do still love a good boxing match.
I thought Wilder won the first flight. I did not think that was a draw. However, Fury was in control from the start last night. Honestly, I expected it to be a little bit closer than it was, but it was very clear very early on who was the superior fighter.
Fury put on some weight for that fight, which really allowed him to sit on his punches. He also maintained his legendary agility. Honestly, it is almost strange watching a man who is 6‘9“ tall move around that gracefully. He is an outstanding defensive boxer and his punches were definitely hurting Wilder.
I still think I’d like to see them go one more time. I suspect it will happen too, as heavyweights make more money than anyone else and Fury is an usually charismatic and articulate boxer. I suspect that he will be able to gin up interest in a third match.
I thought Wilder won the first flight. I did not think that was a draw. However, Fury was in control from the start last night. Honestly, I expected it to be a little bit closer than it was, but it was very clear very early on who was the superior fighter.
Fury put on some weight for that fight, which really allowed him to sit on his punches. He also maintained his legendary agility. Honestly, it is almost strange watching a man who is 6‘9“ tall move around that gracefully. He is an outstanding defensive boxer and his punches were definitely hurting Wilder.
I still think I’d like to see them go one more time. I suspect it will happen too, as heavyweights make more money than anyone else and Fury is an usually charismatic and articulate boxer. I suspect that he will be able to gin up interest in a third match.
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Fury is a well rounded boxer. Wilder has been more of a one trick pony who has relied on his go to right. Fury stymied him, and Wilder had no answer. Wilder needs some prep time to work on his game. He is going to lose again if he doesn’t develop some additional tools.
He's 34 years old. He isn't going to develop any additional tools at this point. He should have been developing them 10 years ago.
Wilder had a rematch clause in the contract, so if he wants to fight again they are going to fight again.
He might actually be better off to allow Fury to fight someone else next, maybe Anthony Joshua in England where the fight would draw somewhere around 500,000 people if there were such a place that could hold that many, with a guarantee that he would get the winner after that.
When Fury caught him behind the head and knocked him down, I think it completely killed Wilder's balance/equilibrium. I have not followed up yet, but I would not be surprised if Fury hurt Wilder's eardrum.
A boxer without balance is not much of a boxer. And, Fury already was a much better technical fighter.
I think Wilder's cornerman, Mark Breland, saved him last night. He was taking a beating and may have taken much more of one if they did not throw in the towel. He has a lot of heart but permanent damage is a real thing. I think Breland saved him last night as Wilder's co-trainer did not want to throw in the towel.
Fury is a huge guy that throws very big shots. It was best for them to throw in the towel and get Wilder to the third fight with a lot of rest and mentally intact.
Wilder is a guy that can never be counted out, because he hits like a freight train. If they fight again, he is still very dangerous.
A boxer without balance is not much of a boxer. And, Fury already was a much better technical fighter.
I think Wilder's cornerman, Mark Breland, saved him last night. He was taking a beating and may have taken much more of one if they did not throw in the towel. He has a lot of heart but permanent damage is a real thing. I think Breland saved him last night as Wilder's co-trainer did not want to throw in the towel.
Fury is a huge guy that throws very big shots. It was best for them to throw in the towel and get Wilder to the third fight with a lot of rest and mentally intact.
Wilder is a guy that can never be counted out, because he hits like a freight train. If they fight again, he is still very dangerous.
Like someone mentioned Wilder is a one trick pony with virtually zero boxing skills. Neither one of these stiffs would have survived the Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis era...I ain’t even going to get to the Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes era. Boxing today is pathetic!
I think that you are being a little short sighted. Fury is the best big boxer ever. No one his size has ever had his skill set. I think most any heavyweight ever would have a lot of issues with him.
I am not a boxing fan and I was sure to watch last night. Fury was so impressive, but man it was nasty when he licked Wilder.
It's more entertaining that UFC because the main event lasted longer than 10 seconds. Those fights never seem to live up to the hype.
It's more entertaining that UFC because the main event lasted longer than 10 seconds. Those fights never seem to live up to the hype.
I suspect you have this view of MMA because you probably never wrestled or did BJJ. I think most MMA fans have a background in those 2 disciplines and in kickboxing. When you have that type of background you don't see gratuitous violence, but see the technical expertise of the discipline shine through.
Who that has been anywhere close to his size has boxed with his movement and skill? This is a 6'9" 270 pound man that boxes more like a light heavyweight.
Lennox Lewis was very big and a really good boxer but he was not as fluid or technical as Fury. Wladimir Klitschko was similar to Lewis but much more robotic and with a weaker chin. George Foreman was 5 inches shorter than Fury and a lot more like Wilder than Fury in his prime.
Once again, can you name a better big boxer? I doubt it.
Most MMA fans don’t have such a background. Many do, but certainly not most.
I agree with you that he should have been developing additional tools all along. He started relatively late in the boxing game, and just because you are 34 doesn’t mean your career is over when you have his power. Just ask George Foreman. If he has the desire and gets surrounded by the proper trainers, then I would not count him out quite yet.
Surprised you didn’t mention Vitali. Only lost two fights. Both were due to injury and he was well ahead on all 3 cards in both of those fights at the time they were called.
I honestly forgot about him because I have always considered Wladimir the better fighter. But, Vitali was solid too.
It has gotten to a point with some of these guys where they are just so big. Traditional heavyweights, guys the size of Ali, Tyson, Liston, Louis, Frazier, Holyfield, etc., lack so much size compared to guys like Vitali, Wladimir, Fury, Lewis, Joshua, etc. It is very hard to defeat that size unless you have it yourself. Size matters.
Vitali, Wladimir and Lewis ran roughshod over the heavyweight division each by keeping guys away from them and fighting on the outside. What can you really do when someone is so big? The only guys that they usually lost to were other very big men that hit awfully hard (ex: McCall, Rahman, Fury, Joshua, Ruiz).
Maybe you could get inside like Tyson used to do, but you have to be able to get inside, which is much harder stated than done. Meanwhile, these guys are just hitting you incredibly hard with punches coming from a much, much bigger man at a downward angle (causing more power).
You could possibly try to wear someone out like Ali used to, but these guys do not lack conditioning and none of the elite ones have fought dumb enough to lose like that usually.
Finally, maybe you just have insane power like Wilder. But, Wilder is not exactly a small man at 6'7" though he is wiry. He is a different beast than someone like Tyson who is 5'10."
Fury is a really hard puzzle. I honestly like Wilder's chances more in a third fight than I like Joshua's. Wilder almost put him away with his immense power once previously.
Yes that’s definitely true. I do not have a background in martial arts or wrestling. Maybe that is why MMA’s appeal eludes me?
Believe me, I’d like to be into it. I just can’t do it. It just feels like a clear harbinger of the decline in our society.
Years ago, my wife and I were having dinner at Duke’s on Cochran Road in Mount Lebanon. Has anyone se ever been there? It’s a nice little joint. Really good ribs!
As were walking in, the waitress tells me that it’s $10 each to enter. I was caught off guard and asked her why? She said it was because there was an MMA fight that night.
Well, we were just going to go somewhere else. I’m not paying $10 to watch something I don’t care about.
The manager quickly realized that he was going to lose our business, and that we were definitely not there for the fight, so he told us we could come in and have dinner.
So, we stayed and what happened over the next hour was unbelievable. Dozens of men walked in the bar and they all looked the exact same. They all have very high foreheads and they were all wearing these formfitting Affliction T-shirts. Everyone of them looked like the most intense motherf#%^er you have ever met.
Honestly, we would just start laughing whenever a new one would pop in. There were so many of them!
I have no doubt these are amazing athletes and that it’s a tremendously technical support and all the rest of it. I’m just saying that I have no interest in it because it just feels hyper violent to me – a layman.
I like physicality and I’m certainly not offended by it – which is why I love football and hockey. It’s also why I like boxing. However, that just feels different and I don’t care for it at all. That said, I am definitely in the minority because it is very clearly a rapidly growing sport.
If you are basing your statement on the tallest boxer then that’s a no brainer because their wasn’t any 6’9” boxers. But I’ll put my money on Riddick Bowe(6’5”) if I have to pick tallest. After Bowe would have landed a few body shots...all that skill and fluidity would go out the window. Wilder has virtually no freakin skills!
I never said his career is over. But at this point he pretty much is what he is. He's not going to learn any new skills, he's going to beat guys by doing what he does. And what he does is plenty good enough to beat most guys.
Man you have a lot of stereotypes in here.
I won’t even bother to debunk most of them because I’m pretty sure it would be pointless, but I will say MMA in Pittsburgh is pretty much the same as the NBA. Very big most other places, but not in Pittsburgh for some reason.
The violent sport issue is the one that is the most senseless to me, as it is way less violent long term than boxing is. Fights are stopped quickly, and you never see serious brain injuries or deaths like you occasionally see in boxing. The old punch drunk boxer stereotype is largely true, I mean Evander Holyfield could barely climb into the ring on Saturday. Look at guys like Meldrick Taylor and Gerald McClellan, you just don’t see that in MMA.
The skills required to master so many different styles of fighting is literally insane. The game has changed so much in the last 20 years the sport is almost unrecognizable today. You especially see this with the women, their skill level is night and day from what it was even a few years ago.
The thing that most turned me against boxing is the padding of the record thing. So many fights where one guy has almost zero chance to win. It makes for very, very boring matchups. You don’t see that in MMA, every attempt is made to creat even matchups and records are pretty much meaningless. There is no waiting years for big fights while all the bullshit is sorted out, fans get to see the fights they want to see continually.
I always laugh when hockey fans say people that don’t like it just don’t “get” the sport. It’s like they can’t believe that there are a lot of people that do get it, but for whatever reason they just aren’t interested in hockey. However I feel the same way about people that say they don’t like MMA. I don’t think they have a clue what they’re seeing. They only seem to remember the somewhat brutal and oafish sport MMA was in its infancy, and have no idea what its become today.
