Growing Support for socialism
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Or maybe she doesn't have enough cash to pay the deductibles?? 20% for the docs??
Obviously, that poor woman needs to obtain two more jobs. Thank goodness she lives in Muerica, where she has the freedom to work 100 hours per week.
So they defraud their native country!! Must want to register Dem.
Nope. She should have worked those jobs when she was young and healthy, butt she chose not to.
And now....sigh...she finds out that hips cost money.
Wait, I'm relaying what she told me.
I'm over 70, was in 15 days, have medicare and supplement. Including the prostate biopsy that started my problems I paid ZERO. There is a possibility there are lingering charges but we checked with the hospital recently and they said ZERO balance. (I was in in June) We (me and wife) have a supplement. Some cannot afford the supplement I guess.
You imply that she can't get the procedure under single payer. That's wrong. You completely made that up.
Claerly you didn’t read the articles just like you didn’t read the numerous analyses that showed the cost of 35 trillion for M4a doesn’t include current Medicaire costs
If you choose to believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy that’s your choice. There’s no debating with someone who refuses to admit basic facts
I read them and pointed out the flaws. A cost analysis that assumes 115% of the actual cost is wrong.
"Outrage" is an overused word and concept. People ARE "concerned" about the growing acceptance of socialistic ideas. I find it fascinating that those most "concerned" are those who migrated from countries who were more socialistic than here.
My Mothers supplement was free. It covered prescriptions,dental,etc.
It had copays of 5 dollars for her PCP (he wasn't in network) and 35 for specialists.
I think *anyone can get the free supplement,just that the OOP expenses are higher and you have a higher deductible.
My mother chose that option because up until a week before she died after we found out she had cancer (and I never told her she had it,just told her she was in hospice preparing for Easter to see my cousins grandson), she was healthy as a horse.
Hadn't smoked for 30+years (hypnotized), I never saw her drink,and no stress (retired as soon as she could @ 59.5 and didn't collect SS until 62.
In my experience, those who migrated with concerns are often from a former Soviet controlled country. They associate socialism with Communism, partly because much of the media and many politicians pretend to not understand the difference. Of all people, those from former Soviet controlled nations should know better. However, it's easier to be the guy who knows what it's like and is going to tell people every chance he gets.
People can be concerned about the growing acceptance, but almost every person concerned has been ok with socialism for decades. They aren't planning to give back their socialized medicine when they retire. They won't give back their socialized income in retirement. They have been fine with higher income earners paying a higher income tax rate.
why should their give back the social security check or the medicate coverage. The vast majority of people have paid far more into those mismanaged government programs in their lifetime than they ever will get back If they had the option to cover themselves and not pay into the program they would be far better off financially But only a socialist would think that money actually came from the benevolent government
Do you honestly believe that those who lived under communism (and socialism) need the media to tell them what those systems are? Actually, based on your post, you do believe that. That's an absurd view and one that intends to justify ignoring these people. They know far better than Americans and the American media what the differences are. Its their experiences and concern that alert me to the horrors of government control. I'm not talking about just ex-Soviet residents either.
As bb80 said, Medicare and SS were not implemented as socialist programs. People do buy into them and have to believe they are more like insurance. "I paid my premium and now I get to make my claim." You and I and a minority of people understand that the government has mismanaged both programs to the point where it has to be subsidized by the younger workers. That's an illegal Ponzi scheme in the real non-government world. The government mismanagement of these programs should also be a red flag about M4A. There is no way it will be run right. Our government has proven itself incapable and it would be, by many times, the largest such program in the world.
Just to add. Socialism in theory is based on good intentions the problem is that it gives complete control over ones life to the government and trusts that it runs things fairly and efficiently. This is where history tells us that when you give government (humans) that much control it turns into a totalitarian and communist state.
as some point out we currently have socialist type programs where we’ve ceded control to the government. There is a continuum from pure capitalism to socialism and communism. As people cede more control to the gov they give up more freedoms they take for granted and allow government to make decisions in their lives.
I support a benevolent capitalist society sort of like we have now My concern with the current crew running for office is every solution they have cedes more power to a government that has shown time and time again they cannot be trusted to run things without corruption and incredible waste
Those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/puzder-hartley-berlin-wall-socialist-millennials
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/puzder-hartley-berlin-wall-socialist-millennials
European socialism had been a huge success. Socialism in 3rd world countries like Venezuela and North Korea are not translatable.
Ever been to Europe? Low crime, low poverty, free healthcare, free education. The tradeoff is there a fewer extremely wealthy people and the middle class and upper middle class live in smaller, affordable homes.
'European socialism' is only possible due to our massive trade deficits. We give china billions of dollars and in exchange they use those dollars to purchase goods from Europe.
That form of governing hasn't worked so well in southern Europe. The time is coming for northern Europe as well.
I’ve been to Europe a number of times. The vast majority of Americans would never want to live the way euros live. As far as low crime goes tell that to England and France as well as other countries lately they are rethinking their open borders all are welcome policies
I’d add that those great bastions of socialism in Europe are not free. I doubt most Americans would trade positions if they knew half their income would be handed over to the government to fund socialism.
as Margaret thatcher so aptly put it the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money
It's so cold today I actually saw a picture of Bernie Sanders with his hands in his own pockets.
As a Dem and supporter of SOME social programs I even see the humor in this....
But it's not working. Just like Pension plans, SMF and we will eventually see with Social Security, eventually these things become "upside down" and there are less contributors and more takers.......and they collapse.
Alot of people point to Denmark. Sweden. Norway. These countries absolutely are NOTHING like the US. First off, they don't really have strong military's, really don't have alot of borders to protect. Very high in education and health related aspects, but here's the dirty truth we never want to discuss when touting their "success". They are 90% (or more) White. Mostly also the same religion, at least Christian. They are completely homogeneous, small counties, concentrated populations. The larger European "socialist" countries as they diversify, Germany, France, England, now are really starting to have problems. Employment problems. Ethnic related problems. Ghettos. Projects. Drugs. People immigrating there just strictly to live off of the state and not contribute anything back.
And I don't really know of any "free market" economy that went hard socialist or government controlled economies that have prospered. In fact most become out and out disasters and become essentially prisons. Many of these Venezuela, the old Soviet Union, Cuba, the switch to a Socialist controlled government promising to "tax the rich" and make them pay....well nothing is ever returned to the citizens, just horded and stolen by the ruling class. There is no entrepreneurial spirit, there is nothing...just nothing but despair and waiting for the government's whim to decide if you should eat this week or not.
The US is too big, too diverse, too undisciplined, too entitled, too divided in many ways to be some socialist utopia that some very, very dangerous Democratic elected officials are touting. Once you go into that wormhole, it will be a disaster for all of us, not just the rich.
Good God. There are just too many of you. It's like a zombie movie and you guys just keep coming. I will reply when I have time.
It should pay ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING the doctor thinks you need with no regard for insurance company profit.
Typical entitled response. W/o the insurance company, you'd pony up 100% of the cost. I'd rather the insurer made a profit than a Fed agency run up deficits on it, since they have unrestricted access to our money.
So I just have to bow down? Thank you sir, may I have another? I'd rather the insurer not make the profit, to be sent to shareholders and bloated exec salaries.
Fine, drop your insurance, go on welfare. Health insurance isn't a big margin biz...has a lot of risks. Look at all the counties w/o ACA plans because no carrier would bother to try to make money there. Just another liberal, big gov't boondoggle.
no. These peeps live in the make believe world where the benevolent government provides then with free services that everyone else pays for in taxes. It’s a world where everyone else’s tax break is considered as the government “giving” them money at their expense
Sure, I totally want to pay for it with my own money, at the same time, I want to give the advantage to the general public over the insurance and pharma industries, so it costs all of us way less of our own money, cutting needless expenses like executive compensation and advertising as a start, taking profit out of it as well. And then it will cost LESS OF MY OWN MONEY.
No it won't. Taking the fat benefits you brag about, + the tenured nature of gov't jobs, + the efficiency loss = more costs than a company who's profits are NOT guaranteed or supported by gov't's unlimited supply of tax revenue. Medicare and Medicaid don't pay for everything...not even close. Fortunately, the insurance companies offer the add'l coverage like Advantage & supplements.
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