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Harbaugh pulling a Narduzzi?

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Harbaugh keeps saying Zay Flowers is questionable each week until gameday and then he doesn't play. When I saw him go down I thought it was a torn ACL, but I'm not doctor of course. Is there any repercussion in the NFL if the injury is more serious than what he is letting on?
 
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Flowers was running before the game today. Lateral movement seems to be the issue right now.
 
Mahones yes, Allen no. The numbers don’t lie.

You mean like Allen having twice as many playoff wins? Lamar is a legit top QB, but he benefited from a better team around him. I’d absolutely rather have Josh Allen on my team, and I bet I’m in the majority with that sentiment.

I’d take all four of the QBs still in the playoffs over Lamar.
 
You mean like Allen having twice as many playoff wins? Lamar is a legit top QB, but he benefited from a better team around him. I’d absolutely rather have Josh Allen on my team, and I bet I’m in the majority with that sentiment.

I’d take all four of the QBs still in the playoffs over Lamar.
I mean like neither having a Super Bowl and Lamar having twice as many MVPs. And I remember Allen having Diggs and another guy while Lamar has one pro bowl receiver this year. I chuckle at the Lamar has more weapons…when he just got said weapons this year. Lastly, I’d take Jackson all day long twice on Sunday!
 
Maybe. Point is that is his two recent playoff losses, had had them in position and someone else lost their game. Sometimes you need a little bit of luck.
I believe Lamar is going to win a superbowl real soon. I'll say within the next 2 years. Sooner or later it will break his way, he's just too talented.
 
I mean like neither having a Super Bowl and Lamar having twice as many MVPs. And I remember Allen having Diggs and another guy while Lamar has one pro bowl receiver this year. I chuckle at the Lamar has more weapons…when he just got said weapons this year. Lastly, I’d take Jackson all day long twice on Sunday!
You can chuckle, but it’s true. Lamar benefited greatly by having Derrick Henry this year (among others). I could list off all of the weapons the Ravens had (no going to), but it’s true. Lamar also benefited greatly putting up big numbers in blowout wins.

Anyhow, I’m not arguing that he isn’t an amazing talent, I’d just take a few QBs before him. The one that are still playing are some of them….
 
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I believe Lamar is going to win a superbowl real soon. I'll say within the next 2 years. Sooner or later it will break his way, he's just too talented.
Maybe. That said, there are some really good teams in the AFC he’s going to have to beat. Burrow and the Bengals might be at the top of the list the next few years too.
 
You can chuckle, but it’s true. Lamar benefited greatly by having Derrick Henry this year (among others). I could list off all of the weapons the Ravens had (no going to), but it’s true. Lamar also benefited greatly putting up big numbers in blowout wins.

Anyhow, I’m not arguing that he isn’t an amazing talent, I’d just take a few QBs before him. The one that are still playing are some of them….

As good as Daniels has been as a rookie, to say you'd take him over Lamar is crazy.

And not too many people would take Hurts over Lamar either.

Put Lamar on the eagles with those WR's, Saquon and the NFC and it's a cake walk.

He's losing to the Bills and Chiefs and putting his team in a position to win. It's not like he's losing to the Tebow led broncos.
 
And I remember Allen having Diggs and another guy while Lamar has one pro bowl receiver this year.
Yes Diggs made 4 pro bowls, but notwithstanding what happened last night, Lamar has had Andrews to throw the ball to his whole career. Andrews is a 3 time pro bowler.

You can chuckle, but it’s true. Lamar benefited greatly by having Derrick Henry this year (among others). I could list off all of the weapons the Ravens had (no going to), but it’s true.
I don't understand the Ravens sometimes. Did they run a single zone read all game? They killed the Steelers with that. They maybe ran it once yesterday, I don't remember. Allen ran the ball more than Lamar. And I know Lamar is your leader, but Henry is good enough to win a game for you. Once he started heating up the second half, they should kept going to him.
 
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I’d rank the QBs as follows if I needed to win 1 game. I’d swap Burrow and Allen if we’re talking long term because of durability.
  1. Mahomes
  2. Burrow
  3. Allen
  4. Lamar
 
Underrated comment. Luck is almost always a big part of winning big games. Ravens were the better team yesterday but turnovers, penalties, and ultimately a dropped pass, killed them.
No doubt on my part. I won't say the Bills have no chance in KC, but, I think Lamar coupled with Henry had a real shot at going to KC and winning. They just have to figure out how to play a clean game in the playoffs.
The league better stop catering to Mahomes. It's hard enough to beat them straight up, but, when the opposing team so much as breathes on him, they call a personal foul penalty. The one when he became a runner and the two Houston guys hit eachother while barely touching him was sick. They don't need the refs help.
The NFL does not need Taylor Swift to promote the game either. I'm so tired of Kermit, Kelce, and Swift, and if they 3-peat, we will have to hear about it forever.
 
Great thread … IMHO, the next evolution for Lamar is to understand that you do not take unnecessary risks until late in the fourth quarter when the only other option is to take a loss.

The choice not to just fall on the ball in the second quarter tied 7-7 when the center gave him that horrible snap is the perfect case in point. If he just accepts the 6 yard loss there, the Ravens were on the edge of field goal range and would have had a 3rd and 16 play to get closer for Tucker. In a game they lost by two points, that single play turned out to be critical.
 
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Great thread … IMHO, the next evolution for Lamar is to understand that you do not take unnecessary risks until late in the fourth quarter when the only other option is to take a loss.

The choice not to just fall on the ball in the second quarter tied 7-7 when the center gave him that horrible snap is the perfect case in point. If he just accepts the 6 yard loss there, the Ravens were on the edge of field goal range and would have had a 3rd and 16 play to get closer for Tucker. In a game they lost by two points, that single play turned out to be critical.
Part of that is play calling. Lamar probably should have had only 20 passing attempts instead of 25. Henry should have had 20+ carries instead of 16. Buffalo put a good effort trying to stop Baltimore's running game, but Baltimore would have broken that Bills defense if they kept pounding it.
 
Yes Diggs made 4 pro bowls, but notwithstanding what happened last night, Lamar has had Andrews to throw the ball to his whole career. Andrews is a 3 time pro bowler.


I don't understand the Ravens sometimes. Did they run a single zone read all game? They killed the Steelers with that. They maybe ran it once yesterday, I don't remember. Allen ran the ball more than Lamar. And I know Lamar is your leader, but Henry is good enough to win a game for you. Once he started heating up the second half, they should kept going to him.
Additionally, Lamar only ran 6 times for 39 yards. If you want to win a big game, you have to use your best weapon. They should have ran the read option way more than they did. They made it to easy for Buffalo. I know you don't want your franchise QB exposed to too many hits, but, Lamar's legs are a huge part of his weaponry. They still win this game if you take away the turnovers, but, I think their OC definitely did Buffalo a favor by not running those read option plays that put massive stress on a defense.
 
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As good as Daniels has been as a rookie, to say you'd take him over Lamar is crazy.

And not too many people would take Hurts over Lamar either.

Put Lamar on the eagles with those WR's, Saquon and the NFC and it's a cake walk.

He's losing to the Bills and Chiefs and putting his team in a position to win. It's not like he's losing to the Tebow led broncos.

Fair points. Hurts is probably at the bottom of that list for me, but he did take his team to a Super Bowl, and he’s a game away form doing it again. He’s proven he can win big games. Have yet to see that from Lamar.

Lamar laid an egg in the first half when he was pressured (a common issue for him), and he literally had all day to make throws last night in the 2nd half when he was looking better. That said, Hamlin could have picked off Jackson’s long pass leading to the end of game TD if he was in better position…. This was Baltimore’s best team in the Lamar era. No real weaknesses. This was their best chance. Lamar has to win some big playoff games to be in the upper echelon of QBs. He Hasn’t done it yet, and in his losses he’s had plenty of errors. I know Ravens fans that love him, but never know which player they’re going to get in big games and hate the anxiety.

Daniels is looking insane right now and he has so much upside as a rookie. Already in the NFC championship…. yes, it’s a small sample size, but I’d rather have him as my QB (the fun of being a fan). He goes through professions so quickly and his running ability is right there with Lamar. Kid is going to win Super Bowls IMO and made it as far as Lamar already.

Upper Tier 1 QBs
Mahomes
Josh Allen
Joe Burrow
Daniels (admittedly small sample size, and I get not the argument against, but I’d still rather have him)

Lower Tier 1 QBs
Lamar/Goff/Hurts

Everyone above Lamar has made it to or won a Super Bowl outside of Daniels in his rookie season and he’s already made it as far as Lamar. Goff (laid a playoff egg this year) and Hurts made it to a Super Bowl.

Again, Lamar is one of these freak humans considered a top NFL QB. We’re splitting hairs on a minuscule subset of humanity.
 
You mean like Allen having twice as many playoff wins? Lamar is a legit top QB, but he benefited from a better team around him. I’d absolutely rather have Josh Allen on my team, and I bet I’m in the majority with that sentiment.

I’d take all four of the QBs still in the playoffs over Lamar.
Not me. Lamar does not have the receivers the others have and his best receiver uncharacteristically fumbled them dropped the 2 point conversion.
3 turnovers cost Baltimore the game.
 
Fair points. Hurts is probably at the bottom of that list for me, but he did take his team to a Super Bowl, and he’s a game away form doing it again. He’s proven he can win big games. Have yet to see that from Lamar.

Lamar laid an egg in the first half when he was pressured (a common issue for him), and he literally had all day to make throws last night in the 2nd half when he was looking better. That said, Hamlin could have picked off Jackson’s long pass leading to the end of game TD if he was in better position…. This was Baltimore’s best team in the Lamar era. No real weaknesses. This was their best chance. Lamar has to win some big playoff games to be in the upper echelon of QBs. He Hasn’t done it yet, and in his losses he’s had plenty of errors. I know Ravens fans that love him, but never know which player they’re going to get in big games and hate the anxiety.

Daniels is looking insane right now and he has so much upside as a rookie. Already in the NFC championship…. yes, it’s a small sample size, but I’d rather have him as my QB (the fun of being a fan). He goes through professions so quickly and his running ability is right there with Lamar. Kid is going to win Super Bowls IMO and made it as far as Lamar already.

Upper Tier 1 QBs
Mahomes
Josh Allen
Joe Burrow
Daniels (admittedly small sample size, and I get not the argument against, but I’d still rather have him)

Lower Tier 1 QBs
Lamar/Goff/Hurts

Everyone above Lamar has made it to or won a Super Bowl outside of Daniels in his rookie season and he’s already made it as far as Lamar. Goff (laid a playoff egg this year) and Hurts made it to a Super Bowl.

Again, Lamar is one of these freak humans considered a top NFL QB. We’re splitting hairs on a minuscule subset of humanity.
Lamar may be a 3 time MVP but he's a lower tier. Sometimes this place just fascinates me with the level of sheer hating on different players.
 
Andrews should have made that catch last night, but that was not a well thrown ball. He threw it late and low.
I think on that type of pattern into the end zone the ball being thrown slightly lower and not in front of you (exactly as it was thrown) actually makes it easier to catch. A ball in front of you and/or high gets you thinking about needing to toe tap your feet and while you are doing that you could lose concentration on finishing the catch.
 
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I think on that type of pattern into the end zone the ball being thrown slightly lower and not in front of you (exactly as it was thrown) actually makes it easier to catch. A ball in front of you and/or high gets you thinking about needing to toe tap your feet and while you are doing that you could lose concentration on finishing the catch.

Agree with everything you said about placement as it relates to the pattern. That said, the ball Lamar threw was a little low. And it was low because it was late. That doesn't mean Andrew shouldn't have made that catch. He certainly should have. But the throw was far from perfect.
 
Agree with everything you said about placement as it relates to the pattern. That said, the ball Lamar threw was a little low. And it was low because it was late. That doesn't mean Andrew shouldn't have made that catch. He certainly should have. But the throw was far from perfect.
That guy dropped a perfect longish ball earlier in the game. Then he had a critical fumble essentially unforced. Then he dropped a SLIGHTLY low pass and made it look like a circus catch attempt on the most important play of the game. Made some of the more cynical of us think he was on the take.

But at a minimum, the Santana Moss principle applies: big time players make big time plays in big time games. This guy was either on the take, or he’s a mental midget.
 
That guy dropped a perfect longish ball earlier in the game. Then he had a critical fumble essentially unforced. Then he dropped a SLIGHTLY low pass and made it look like a circus catch attempt on the most important play of the game. Made some of the more cynical of us think he was on the take.

But at a minimum, the Santana Moss principle applies: big time players make big time plays in big time games. This guy was either on the take, or he’s a mental midget.

He definitely choked yesterday. I think the first drop was a play before the fumble (Demar Hamlin - Von Miller return)
 
Lamar is kind of like Alex Ovechkin. Unbelievable personal accomplishments/talents/stats but can’t seem to elevate the team to a title. Like Alex, I think Lamar eventually wins one but right now he’ll just put up impressive numbers and enjoy the spotlight personally.
 
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