Here is My Main Question for Jeter

[SMSMHSHCCND]

-He said he didnt care. He liked Notre Dame for the atmosphere and what it was. So in this situation there was nothing Pitt could have done. Hell, Michigan didnt even get a visit, which in the case I also find surprising. So the answer is your 5 year old cousin could be coaching Notre Dame and think a football is round, and he wouldnt give a rats ass. Bonehead decision, but its his. And that isnt sour grapes on my part, he could of went to Michigan or some other big school. But Notre Dame? Heh

Has it ever crossed your mind that Notre Dame is a top 15 academic institution? That just maybe he wants to, say, major in business and Mendoza is consistently ranked #1 or #2 best undergraduate business program in the country?

Sometimes it is not all about football. Should it be, though? Should it not be a school that provides an overall comfort level and success on and off the field. Pitt can absolutely provide success off the field with a very good education, but maybe he is more comfortable with the size of Notre Dame. He mentioned the student body being small, smaller classrooms, and more individual help with professors because of their small enrollment.

It works against Notre Dame sometimes, too. It goes both ways. The way you are trashing a 17 year old kid on the internet is a little extreme man. You should probably relax and re-evaluate somethings if you are going to get this upset about a commitment.

 

[pittguy81]

Based on what?
Is your personal opinion based on any facts or first-hand knowledge?
Or is it based on the fact he's kicking the crap out of PA schools when it comes to recruiting in Pennsylvania?
I'm not a big fan of F-bomb Kelly, but I have no idea what kind of a man he is.
I've disagreed with you on several posts today, but I won't call you names.

If you've seen the red faced, veins bulging in his neck and face Kelly screaming into one of his player's or coach's faces from 2 inches away...that gives a pretty good indication of what sort of a man he is. I also remember him saying some petty things about Pitt after they beat his team when he coached at Cincy. He is indeed an a$$hole

 

[CampbellLION]

1. You can make arguments about coaching stability at 95% of schools. Coaches that are successful coaches are just as much at risk to move on to another school as a bad coach is to get fired. You are talking about the next 3-5 years, chances are, whichever school you chose, you will have a different coach by the time you graduate.
2. Players can get to the NFL at just about any school.
3. Most top 250 recruits never make it to the NFL, so academics should be at the top or close to the top for every recruit.
4. Anyone who criticizes where a 17-18 year-old wants to attend college because it's not where you want them to go needs to reevaluate themselves.

 

[4Mark_Marty]

Are you concerned that there is dissension on ND's defensive side of the ball, and you probably don't even know who your DC will be and what kind of defense he is going to run? You have the potential to make millions of dollars and retire by the time you are 30. You know what Narduzzi has done at previous stops. Are you willing to roll the dice on a complete unknown?

I have a very good friend of mine that started as a freshman year at QB for ND back in the early 90s. He originally wanted to go to ASU, but Catholic mommy and daddy were so proud that their young boy was offered to ND that he was basically guilted into going there by his parents, highly influential people in the public eye. Well, as he was treated like a piece of meat by Holtz, his play deteriorated for one reason or another and he regrets to this day his decision to go to ND. He got all caught up in the hype, and wishes he'd have gone to ASU.

 

[Irish Slab]

Pitt is 21-48-1 vs. ND all-time.

 

[jameskroner3]

I have a very good friend of mine that started as a freshman year at QB for ND back in the early 90s. He originally wanted to go to ASU, but Catholic mommy and daddy were so proud that their young boy was offered to ND that he was basically guilted into going there by his parents, highly influential people in the public eye. Well, as he was treated like a piece of meat by Holtz, his play deteriorated for one reason or another and he regrets to this day his decision to go to ND. He got all caught up in the hype, and wishes he'd have gone to ASU.

Powlus and Paul Failla are the only QB's to start a game as Freshmanin the early 90's. So it's not Powlus, but if Failla, I'm not sure he would have played at any D1 program.

 

[stevend01]

Sweet Caroline

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Let me get this right a lot of you would choose Pitt over ND if you were in Jeters shoes ?
So ND isn't the same program it was 20+ yrs ago , that Alabama and TOSUs of world have better programs it's still ND .
If you can't play at ND you can't play in the NFL.
Kelly shows his emotions you see what your going to get .
Before the PSU mess who wouldn't want their kid playing for a coach like JoePa ?
You don't have any idea what any of these coaches are like to play for unless you do
The only compelling reason for Jeter to go to Pitt is if he wanted to stay local.... he didn't !

I agree to a certain extent. A trained monkey could recruit for ND, how would Kelly do recruiting here, or at WVU, or Wake Forest? That's where you earn your recruiting chops. But he is a good coach and when his offense is clicking it is one of the better ones out there. And he did go 12-0 one season. But overall I would say he has underachieved slightly, however ND can and has done a whole lot worse.

Honestly I think he is more of a flight risk as he has said repeatedly that ND isn't the type of job you hold for life.

 

[mvk112]

Since he became the coach, Notre Dame has had 27 players drafted, including 6 in the first round and 6 in the second round. That's a pretty good record of getting kids into the NFL in 6 years.

 

[Cap pitt]

Based on what? Not busting balls, genuinely curious.

His dad told me several months ag, but then it was Ohio St, ND wasn't in picture then

 

[Cap pitt]

Since he became the coach, Notre Dame has had 27 players drafted, including 6 in the first round and 6 in the second round. That's a pretty good record of getting kids into the NFL in 6 years.

But what has he won?

 

[mvk112]

But what has he won?

He took his team to the National Championship game, that's pretty significant. In the past five years, only 7 schools have played for the National Championship.

 

[pittguy81]

Lets see to name a few Stephon Tuitt All American with Steelers, Kapron Lewis-Moore drafted to Ravens, Sheldon Day Jaguars, Romeo Okware currently with Giants, you currently have 3...3 lol probably in all of history

What does your last attempted sentence mean?

 

[thebadby2]

I have a very good friend of mine that started as a freshman year at QB for ND back in the early 90s. He originally wanted to go to ASU, but Catholic mommy and daddy were so proud that their young boy was offered to ND that he was basically guilted into going there by his parents, highly influential people in the public eye. Well, as he was treated like a piece of meat by Holtz, his play deteriorated for one reason or another and he regrets to this day his decision to go to ND. He got all caught up in the hype, and wishes he'd have gone to ASU.

He may have had a better football experience, better parties and hotter girls, but an ASU education for your friend, who obviously wasn't going to make a living playing football, can't hold a candle to a ND education. ASU is a friggin' joke of a school.

 

[IrishGoat]

Kid should go to PITT. ND is a mess with that goon BVG.

 

[Piranha]

Since he became the coach, Notre Dame has had 27 players drafted, including 6 in the first round and 6 in the second round. That's a pretty good record of getting kids into the NFL in 6 years.

Then I guess that does not speak well to his coaching.

 

[mvk112]

Then I guess that does not speak well to his coaching.

Why? They played for a national championship under him, and were in the Fiesta Bowl last year.

 

[Piranha]

Why? They played for a national championship under him, and were in the Fiesta Bowl last year.

If your average record is 9-4 with elite talent then that is not overly impressive. Kelly and his staff were already out coached twice this year.

 

[IrishinFLA1]

-I dont think he cares. Like some kids, he thinks he is going to Notre Dame and come in and dominate regardless who the Coach is. He'll learn Coaching matters down the road when he doesnt have an NFL draft stock. But hey, if he isnt dumb at least he'll get a Notre Dame education. He can forget the NFL without quality coaching. Just looked it up, since 2008 Notre Dame has put a paltry 3 DL players in the NFL and 2 of them never registered a tackle.

Check again sport, you might have missed a few over the years. Here's a quick list, just a few over the 3 you counted:

Laws 2008
Ian Williams 2011
KLM 2013
Tuitt and Nix 2014
Day and Okwara 2016

Your love of the Irish is way to obvious.

 

[WillyBeamin7]

-He said he didnt care. He liked Notre Dame for the atmosphere and what it was. So in this situation there was nothing Pitt could have done. Hell, Michigan didnt even get a visit, which in the case I also find surprising. So the answer is your 5 year old cousin could be coaching Notre Dame and think a football is round, and he wouldnt give a rats ass. Bonehead decision, but its his. And that isnt sour grapes on my part, he could of went to Michigan or some other big school. But Notre Dame? Heh

-I dont think he cares. Like some kids, he thinks he is going to Notre Dame and come in and dominate regardless who the Coach is. He'll learn Coaching matters down the road when he doesnt have an NFL draft stock. But hey, if he isnt dumb at least he'll get a Notre Dame education. He can forget the NFL without quality coaching. Just looked it up, since 2008 Notre Dame has put a paltry 3 DL players in the NFL and 2 of them never registered a tackle.

Your facts are way off. ND has had 14 defensive players drafted since 2008 and 7 of those drafted were in the front 7. ND wants Jeter to play DE, judging by your posts you have zero clue what's going on, so I'm here to help you. I get it you are sour, but there is nothing boneheaded about choosing one of the best academic institutions in the country. Oh and by the way, they have a very well known football program that more than likely will win 8-9 games a year with the occasional 10-12 win season sprinkled in. Let's not forget a world of tradition. What's with the "if he's not dumb at least he will get a ND education?" What does that even mean? Are you saying if he is dumb he would have a better chance to succeed at Pitt? No need to answer it's a naive comment from someone that sounds like the 5 year old girl you said could be running NDs defense next year.

 

[mvk112]

If your average record is 9-4 with elite talent then that is not overly impressive. Kelly and his staff were already out coached twice this year.

Elite talent? His avg class ranking is 12th and he has brought in nine 5 stars in seven classes. Notre Dame has been better than USC, Tennessee, Georgia, Texas, and Texas A&M, all who have recruited more highly rated players over his tenure.

They lost on the road, in double OT to a top 25 team in their opener, and lost by a TD to a very good Michigan State team. Maybe if they played Hawaii, Central Florida, and Colorado they'd be 3-0 and then everyone could talk crap on him for playing nobody.

 

[Piranha]

Elite talent? His avg class ranking is 12th and he has brought in nine 5 stars in seven classes. Notre Dame has been better than USC, Tennessee, Georgia, Texas, and Texas A&M, all who have recruited more highly rated players over his tenure.

They lost on the road, in double OT to a top 25 team in their opener, and lost by a TD to a very good Michigan State team. Maybe if they played Hawaii, Central Florida, and Colorado they'd be 3-0 and then everyone could talk crap on him for playing nobody.

Is he putting a lot of guys in the pros or not? Stop moving the bar. If your roster has a lot of guys going into the pros, then you have a lot of talent. ND has the cache to recruit the entire country, and can reel in a roster full of 4/5 star recruits. They should average double digit wins and should be able to win at least 1 national title every 25 years. They are perceived to be The Yankees of college football, the Duke or UNC of college basketball. Ironically, the 1 year ND did overachieve under Kelly is the year Pitt got screwed by the officials and should have won.

 

[sherepower]

Elite talent? His avg class ranking is 12th and he has brought in nine 5 stars in seven classes. Notre Dame has been better than USC, Tennessee, Georgia, Texas, and Texas A&M, all who have recruited more highly rated players over his tenure.

They lost on the road, in double OT to a top 25 team in their opener, and lost by a TD to a very good Michigan State team. Maybe if they played Hawaii, Central Florida, and Colorado they'd be 3-0 and then everyone could talk crap on him for playing nobody.

Lets be honest here. Texas is not that good. They just lost to Cal who got crushed by San deigo st.
Michigan st is going to finish 3rd or 4th in the big10. So really how good is ND this year. Michigan st beat them up physically in every facet of the game. ND defense is as soft as marshmallows

 

[mvk112]

Lets be honest here. Texas is not that good. They just lost to Cal who got crushed by San deigo st.
Michigan st is going to finish 3rd or 4th in the big10. So really how good is ND this year. Michigan st beat them up physically in every facet of the game. ND defense is as soft as marshmallows

Michigan State will finish second or third in a division that currently has two top 5 teams.

I mean I get it, we all have to irrationally hate Notre Dame because they won't join a conference, because they have their own TV deal, because they are a Catholic school, because they are taking top high school recruits from Western PA, etc, but this is all pretty ridiculous.

Brian Kelly took this program to the National title game just a couple years after Charlie Weis had them down at the level (or worse) of Pitt in the Graham/Chryst era. He took them to the Fiesta Bowl last year. Could we please stop acting like the guy can't coach because he yells alot on the sidelines?

 

[steel_curtain]

Your facts are way off. ND has had 14 defensive players drafted since 2008 and 7 of those drafted were in the front 7. ND wants Jeter to play DE, judging by your posts you have zero clue what's going on, so I'm here to help you. I get it you are sour, but there is nothing boneheaded about choosing one of the best academic institutions in the country. Oh and by the way, they have a very well known football program that more than likely will win 8-9 games a year with the occasional 10-12 win season sprinkled in. Let's not forget a world of tradition. What's with the "if he's not dumb at least he will get a ND education?" What does that even mean? Are you saying if he is dumb he would have a better chance to succeed at Pitt? No need to answer it's a naive comment from someone that sounds like the 5 year old girl you said could be running NDs defense next year.

-3 DL players chief. Aaron Donald a lone laughs at all 3 of them together. Tell us again about how many DL players ND has put in the NFL since 2008. And if Jeter is going to play DE, as I said, you can have him. He's an inside DT stuffer that is underweight. Way to slow and not athletic enough to be a DE. Maybe that is why he went to ND over Pitt, ND sold him on a different position he will never excel at in the NFL.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?abbr=N&collegeName=Notre+Dame&abbrFlag=0&type=school

 

[sherepower]

Michigan State will finish second or third in a division that currently has two top 5 teams.

I mean I get it, we all have to irrationally hate Notre Dame because they won't join a conference, because they have their own TV deal, because they are a Catholic school, because they are taking top high school recruits from Western PA, etc, but this is all pretty ridiculous.

Brian Kelly took this program to the National title game just a couple years after Charlie Weis had them down at the level (or worse) of Pitt in the Graham/Chryst era. He took them to the Fiesta Bowl last year. Could we please stop acting like the guy can't coach because he yells alot on the sidelines?

I don't have hate for ND. At all!

I simply based my opinion on watching them 3 times this year. They have some tremendous offensive weapons. However, on defense. They stink!
Honestly, if Pitt played them this year. Pitt wins by 10 points.

 

[Piranha]

Michigan State will finish second or third in a division that currently has two top 5 teams.

I mean I get it, we all have to irrationally hate Notre Dame because they won't join a conference, because they have their own TV deal, because they are a Catholic school, because they are taking top high school recruits from Western PA, etc, but this is all pretty ridiculous.

Brian Kelly took this program to the National title game just a couple years after Charlie Weis had them down at the level (or worse) of Pitt in the Graham/Chryst era. He took them to the Fiesta Bowl last year. Could we please stop acting like the guy can't coach because he yells alot on the sidelines?

Speaking of MSU. Dantonio has done a far better job under more challenging circumstances.

Why do u keep bringing up the Fiesta Bowl? If a top flight bowl could bring in an 0-12 ND team they would simply because of the name.

Kelly has done a fairly good job at ND. He lucked into the national title game and then got exposed. His avg record is 9-4. Kizer should have played the whole game against Texas. Kelly blew it. Dantonio bitch slapped him as usual with lesser rated recruits.

 

[mvk112]

I don't think anybody has said Brian Kelly is the best coach in college football. He is a really good coach though, that has won a lot against tough schedules, and has taken his team to a national championship game. Dantonio and Shaw are both really good coaches too, neither has taken his team to a national championship game.

Notre Dame was 10-2 heading into the Fiesta Bowl, they were very deserving. Don't try to make it out to be they were gifted spot in the game.

 

[BFo8]

Lets be honest here. Texas is not that good. They just lost to Cal who got crushed by San deigo st.
Michigan st is going to finish 3rd or 4th in the big10. So really how good is ND this year. Michigan st beat them up physically in every facet of the game. ND defense is as soft as marshmallows

Cal did not get crushed by SDSU, lost 45-40 and had the ball with a chance to win at the end.

 

[Safety Blitz]

I don't have hate for ND. At all!

I simply based my opinion on watching them 3 times this year. They have some tremendous offensive weapons. However, on defense. They stink!
Honestly, if Pitt played them this year. Pitt wins by 10 points.

Pitt would need to score about 80 points to beat ND by 10.
Last I looked, two teams with far less offensive talent than ND nearly wore out the scoreboard against Pitt.
Pitt fans have no room to poor mouth any other team's defense.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

I agree to a certain extent. A trained monkey could recruit for ND, how would Kelly do recruiting here, or at WVU, or Wake Forest? That's where you earn your recruiting chops. But he is a good coach and when his offense is clicking it is one of the better ones out there. And he did go 12-0 one season. But overall I would say he has underachieved slightly, however ND can and has done a whole lot worse.

Honestly I think he is more of a flight risk as he has said repeatedly that ND isn't the type of job you hold for life.

He recruited well enough at cincy to beat wanny and win the conference against his best team .

 

[Fsgolfdr]

[QUOTE="Piranha, post: 1589861, member: 468"

Why do u keep bringing up the Fiesta Bowl? If a top flight bowl could bring in an 0-12 ND team they would simply because of the name.

And that's why elite recruits will choose ND over Pitt just about every time !

 

[thebadby2]

He recruited well enough at cincy to beat wanny and win the conference against his best team .

Coached well enough to do that too. More of the latter, he had mostly Dantonio players on that team.

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

If I have to repeat this ad nauseum to get it through your heads I wil......If a local kid doesn't want to come here then go beat the bushes and get another another kid comparable or if you strike it right better than the one who leaves...that is all part of recruiting.....the angst over losing a kid baffles me on this board....

 

[sherepower]

Cal did not get crushed by SDSU, lost 45-40 and had the ball with a chance to win at the end.

Did you watch the game? I did!

Cal came back on a back door cover. The kid from San Diego st ran for close to 300 yards.

And yes Pitt would beat ND this year. No way Pitt lets teams like Michigan st and Texas run the ball down their throats like ND did.
I agree ND would get passing yards on Pitt. However, Pitts run game would keep their QB and wideouts waiting on the sidelines

 

[Muddy Puddles]

Has it ever crossed your mind that Notre Dame is a top 15 academic institution? That just maybe he wants to, say, major in business and Mendoza is consistently ranked #1 or #2 best undergraduate business program in the country?

Sometimes it is not all about football. Should it be, though? Should it not be a school that provides an overall comfort level and success on and off the field. Pitt can absolutely provide success off the field with a very good education, but maybe he is more comfortable with the size of Notre Dame. He mentioned the student body being small, smaller classrooms, and more individual help with professors because of their small enrollment.

It works against Notre Dame sometimes, too. It goes both ways. The way you are trashing a 17 year old kid on the internet is a little extreme man. You should probably relax and re-evaluate somethings if you are going to get this upset about a commitment.

Unless they go to IVY League, 98% of D1 players couldn't give a rats behind about that.

 

[yc_ballcat]

He is a driven perfectionist, like Nick Saban. Anyone who knows anything about Saban knows there is no coach anywhere who is harder on his players amd staff. He is ruthless. Yet I don't see you or anyone else badmouthing St. Nick on this board.

Saban is a perfectionist for sure but unlike Kelly doesn't seem to be abusive nor mean-spirited. There's no evidence that Saban violates anyone's basic dignity in being demanding. Kelly on the other hand appears to be the prototypical hothead. His actions in that clip go beyond anything you could attribute to heat of the moment 'I just want to win' motivation. If you incur Kelly's wrath, dignity and respect just might be out the window for you, although you might get a half baked apology down the line, or a convenient excuse a la 'somebody else sent that Tweet.'

Saban seems to be tough in the same way Lou Holtz & Steve Spurrier seemed to be; he wants to be the best. Kelly wants to prove who's in charge. Personal anecdotes just aren't enough to change my sense, outside as it may be, of Kelly's true character.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Wait.... I thought is wasn't all about football. Catholics are hypocrites. Indulgences~

Pitt is 21-48-1 vs. ND all-time.

 

[mjconnau]

- Just looked it up, since 2008 Notre Dame has put a paltry 3 DL players in the NFL and 2 of them never registered a tackle.

First of all, of the three ND lineman to which you refer one was just drafted last year, and the other was drafted two years ago, but missed his rookie season due to knee surgery. So your statement is purposely misleading.

But to add clarity to how stupid your statement really is consider this: In the last 20 years Pitt has only had four DL drafted, and only two have taken a snap in a regular season game. In that same 20 year span Notre Dame had had 8 DL drafted, all who have played as of this season.