Here you go Owt ... JRob appreciation thread ...

[thebadby2]

I was sitting in my La-z-boy laughing out loud during Seth Greensberg's Celebration of JRob after the game. It was an almost unbelievably surreal contrast between how a long-time coach, a guy who KNOWS basketball, views a PG and how many Pitt fans look at James.

Obviously, James will never be a scorer like Cat Barber or Gbinige, but, he'd be a very valuable player for almost every college team in the country. When he has two turnovers in a game, it's so rare that the commentators remark about it.

Robinson has the best career assist to turnover ratio in NCAA HISTORY. Think about that for a while. A:TO is the stat that defines PG's. He's not a great PG, but we will miss him. And, a lot of posters should feel dumber after listening to Greenberg's tribute.

I'm not sure if this was picked up on TV. but before James missed the front end of them 1 and 1 his shoulder got dinged. I wondered if he needed to leave the game rather than shoot a crucial free throw so late in the game. He stayed in and missed. So there were some extenuating circumstances, but the fact remains.....he still missed

i doubt that had anything to do with the miss-but the miss turned into an instant 4 point swing, 5 if you count the second FT that he should have shot and made.

He was partially responsible for the near-fatal meltdown, but he was single-handedly responsible for saving the game at the very end.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Effort is appreciated but its results that separate tne average talent from the achievers.
Hes on a short lease but couldbecome an achiever depending on how he performs in March.

Pitts not going to win the NCAA this year whether JRob plays his best ball of his career or not and while he never fulfilled his freshman promise he's done nothing ever to receive the type of negative attacks he's received. Like I said he's given every once of blood ,sweat and tears he has and that's enough to earn my respect. If he was your kid would you tell him if he doesn't produce now then his career was a failure. I think not.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Pitts not going to win the NCAA this year whether JRob plays his best ball of his career or not and while he never fulfilled his freshman promise he's done nothing ever to receive the type of negative attacks he's received. Like I said he's given every once of blood ,sweat and tears he has and that's enough to earn my respect. If he was your kid would you tell him if he doesn't produce now then his career was a failure. I think not.

JRob is playing high stakes college sports- basketball. If you play well your team is at the elite level and you're probably going to be a multimillionaire. You play below expectations and the opposite happens.
This isn't a Monday night basketball league.
JRob has his days recently Duke and today were two, but overall as a high level PITT recruit he has underperformed by alot.
In addition if Dixon was able to recruit high quality players JRob probably wouldn't be a starter in his senior year.
Not sure if you work in a for profit environment? Hard work without results earns you the opportunity to look for another job!
Same with top level high stakes college sports!
And yes as a parent you would have to be honest with your child.
Both of our kids played sports from 5yrs old to college level and yes you have to have frank conversatons with your kids or you're friends not parents.
about performance.
This isn't Disneyland!

 

[PittPoker]

Pitts not going to win the NCAA this year whether JRob plays his best ball of his career or not and while he never fulfilled his freshman promise he's done nothing ever to receive the type of negative attacks he's received. Like I said he's given every once of blood ,sweat and tears he has and that's enough to earn my respect. If he was your kid would you tell him if he doesn't produce now then his career was a failure. I think not.

I don't get these kinds of posts at all. We are all entitled to our opinions. Some people swear by the guy and others have a more critical view. Get over it. He's done some nice things while at Pitt but in mine and other opinions he never really improved from his 1st year. He is a so-so shooter and slow as molasses. Plus although not his fault none of his teams did much of anything.

 

[DT_PITT]

Okay how's this? He's been much more closer to Ron Paul then Chris Paul.

I'll admit it ... I laughed ...

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

I don't get these kinds of posts at all. We are all entitled to our opinions. Some people swear by the guy and others have a more critical view. Get over it. He's done some nice things while at Pitt but in mine and other opinions he never really improved from his 1st year. He is a so-so shooter and slow as molasses. Plus although not his fault none of his teams did much of anything.

To be fair this is your most reasonable post on Robinson that I'm aware of and maybe it's because it's not in the throes of emotion during a game. I think if you'd taken this approach sooner you'd find more people agreeing with you. This is far better and more accurate than when you and others appear to be mostly blasting him.

I am a Robinson fan and I don't disagree with anything you said altho I'm not sure he's quite that slow. But certainly speed and quickness aren't among his greatest attributes.

 

[PittPoker]

To be fair this is your most reasonable post on Robinson that I'm aware of and maybe it's because it's not in the throes of emotion during a game. I think if you'd taken this approach sooner you'd find more people agreeing with you. This is far better and more accurate than when you and others appear to be mostly blasting him.

I am a Robinson fan and I don't disagree with anything you said altho I'm not sure he's quite that slow. But certainly speed and quickness aren't among his greatest attributes.

Thank you. I'm not used to getting compliments on here

And yes I know I am setting myself up by writing that

 

[Fsgolfdr]

JRob is playing high stakes college sports- basketball. If you play well your team is at the elite level and you're probably going to be a multimillionaire. You play below expectations and the opposite happens.
This isn't a Monday night basketball league.
JRob has his days recently Duke and today were two, but overall as a high level PITT recruit he has underperformed by alot.
In addition if Dixon was able to recruit high quality players JRob probably wouldn't be a starter in his senior year.
Not sure if you work in a for profit environment? Hard work without results earns you the opportunity to look for another job!
Same with top level high stakes college sports!
And yes as a parent you would have to be honest with your child.
Both of our kids played sports from 5yrs old to college level and yes you have to have frank conversatons with your kids or you're friends not parents.
about performance.
This isn't Disneyland!

Do you realize that there are a grand total 301 NBA players and the odds of even an outstanding college player making a roster is next to zero. He's been a starter since a freshman and he has started more games than any other Pitt player in history, I believe he's the all time leader in the assist / turnover ratio in NCAA history. Most players who end up in the NBA don't stay 4 yrs in college ball and while I'm sure he'd love to play professionally I doubt that he's under the impression he'll be picked in the NBA draft. I'm sure he would get some overseas offers but who knows what is future plans are. He's had a good college career obviously not up to your standards and if you were his parent and not proud of his accomplishments then he's awfully lucky that your not his parent.

 

[PittPoker]

Do you realize that there are a grand total 301 NBA players and the odds of even an outstanding college player making a roster is next to zero. He's been a starter since a freshman and he has started more games than any other Pitt player in history, I believe he's the all time leader in the assist / turnover ratio in NCAA history. Most players who end up in the NBA don't stay 4 yrs in college ball and while I'm sure he'd love to play professionally I doubt that he's under the impression he'll be picked in the NBA draft. I'm sure he would get some overseas offers but who knows what is future plans are. He's had a good college career obviously not up to your standards and if you were his parent and not proud of his accomplishments then he's awfully lucky that your not his parent.

Sigh... oh give me a break.

 

[KiwiJeff]

Sigh... oh give me a break.

The last statement may seem odd, but I do think it important to remember at times that these are real people. Yes, of course we want them to win and try hard. They aren't pros though, all likely have some hole in their game. If it were your son or relative, I suspect you would be less likely to rip him as bad. I am not attacking your position as being totally wrong, but he played on some flawed teams with inconsistent teammates, he has his own limitations, but within that, he does not deserve the ire some heap on him. That is only my opinion.

 

[PittPoker]

The last statement may seem odd, but I do think it important to remember at times that these are real people. Yes, of course we want them to win and try hard. They aren't pros though, all likely have some hole in their game. If it were your son or relative, I suspect you would be less likely to rip him as bad. I am not attacking your position as being totally wrong, but he played on some flawed teams with inconsistent teammates, he has his own limitations, but within that, he does not deserve the ire some heap on him. That is only my opinion.

No my issue is when people bring up the "parents" and how "great" a kid is. Yes I am sure all of that is true but on a basketball message board, most posters are judging game performance, not the "greatness" of working hard. You'd hope that all the players at this level would work hard and be of good character. Not all, but most are.

 

[KiwiJeff]

No my issue is when people bring up the "parents" and how "great" a kid is. Yes I am sure all of that is true but on a basketball message board, most posters are judging game performance, not the "greatness" of working hard. You'd hope that all the players at this level would work hard and be of good character. Not all, but most are.

I hear you. I feel totally different about college players versus pro players. I tend not to rip players anywhere that much, but if I were to, I would probably be harder on pro players. Well, except when I got mad at Artis.

 

[Harve74]

Clearly, most of us are STILL missing the point I was making about the evaluation of Robinson by a former coach and basketball expert vs a bunch of message board posters.

Robinson really doesn't have anything else to prove. He is a very good example of a pass-first PG, which is something virtually EVERY basketball coach values.

Yeah, he definitely has the flaws that Poker enumerates. But, the 95% of the color commentators are correct when they call him an outstanding PG. They get paid for their opinions and generally know their subject.

The guy is measureably the best ever at the defining stat for point guards and posters here still denigrate him. Everybody has a right to their opinion. But clearly, my signature quote from DeCourcy is applicable here.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Last I checked, there is some room between the vitriol he gets from a lot of posters here and "Chris Paul."

True dat Ski. But someone posted something to the order of JRob being "fantastic" these 4 years. Hence is why invoked the Chris Paul Postulate.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Do you realize that there are a grand total 301 NBA players and the odds of even an outstanding college player making a roster is next to zero. He's been a starter since a freshman and he has started more games than any other Pitt player in history, I believe he's the all time leader in the assist / turnover ratio in NCAA history. Most players who end up in the NBA don't stay 4 yrs in college ball and while I'm sure he'd love to play professionally I doubt that he's under the impression he'll be picked in the NBA draft. I'm sure he would get some overseas offers but who knows what is future plans are. He's had a good college career obviously not up to your standards and if you were his parent and not proud of his accomplishments then he's awfully lucky that your not his parent.

All of this accomplished on a PITT team that's been down for his entire tenure.
Again if Dixon had recruited properly JRob might not be starting today!
Otherwise interesting information in your post!
fyi Kids once grown up ( 30+) and successful relate back" thanks mom and dad for pushing me helping me be the best that I can be."
This applies to academics and even advise when the kids start the first jobs in their career field!
Maybe JRob is giving us his best but it doesn't seem to match up with expectations when he arrived at PITT.
As opposed to a guy like McGhee with low/no expectations coming in but hard work made him into a very good PITT player!

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Clearly, most of us are STILL missing the point I was making about the evaluation of Robinson by a former coach and basketball expert vs a bunch of message board posters.

Robinson really doesn't have anything else to prove. He is a very good example of a pass-first PG, which is something virtually EVERY basketball coach values.

Yeah, he definitely has the flaws that Poker enumerates. But, the 95% of the color commentators are correct when they call him an outstanding PG. They get paid for their opinions and generally know their subject.

The guy is measureably the best ever at the defining stat for point guards and posters here still denigrate him. Everybody has a right to their opinion. But clearly, my signature quote from DeCourcy is applicable here.

People need to be careful because JRob is quite capable of an Ofer today with as many TO's as Assists.

My problem is the constant harping on his ASS to TO ratio, is in many ways like a QB's completion % or low int %. If you aren't creating in traffic, aren't feeding the post, and most of the assists are passes that result in jump shots, you aren't exactly "creating" offense. It is being safe.

I loved his game yesterday, because at crunch time, he made real plays. Big plays. Huge plays. On both ends. I do know this, as he goes, Pitt goes.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

People need to be careful because JRob is quite capable of an Ofer today with as many TO's as Assists.

My problem is the constant harping on his ASS to TO ratio, is in many ways like a QB's completion % or low int %. If you aren't creating in traffic, aren't feeding the post, and most of the assists are passes that result in jump shots, you aren't exactly "creating" offense. It is being safe.

I loved his game yesterday, because at crunch time, he made real plays. Big plays. Huge plays. On both ends. I do know this, as he goes, Pitt goes.

You nailed it! Your post sums up the JRob's performance!
And as hard as he's tried he's had a lot of off games. When that happens the team is flat!
In his defense it would be nice to have a few more " spark plugs" on the team but we don't!
Bottom line I don't think he's maxed out his abilities which was my point!
He's left a lot in the locker room which come back to haunt him when his next job is in Europe not the US.
Maybe he needed someone to push him a little!

 

[Harve74]

People need to be careful because JRob is quite capable of an Ofer today with as many TO's as Assists.

My problem is the constant harping on his ASS to TO ratio, is in many ways like a QB's completion % or low int %. If you aren't creating in traffic, aren't feeding the post, and most of the assists are passes that result in jump shots, you aren't exactly "creating" offense. It is being safe.

I loved his game yesterday, because at crunch time, he made real plays. Big plays. Huge plays. On both ends. I do know this, as he goes, Pitt goes.

All very reasonable points, Owt.

But I'm taking Greenberg's opinions on hoops over Owt's, Parrothead's, Poker's etc.

No offense.

The kid has a record number of starts here, is a 1000 point scorer, has been on gold medal winning teams, is the NCAA career leader in the stat most used to evaluate PG play, (whether you like it or not,) and our fans still want him to prove himself. That's simply rubbish. We have some strange fans.

I'm not saying he's an All American or an all-time great, but he's gotta be in the team picture of the top 25 to 50 players ever here. He could go O-for the rest of the season and have 10 turnovers today snd he's still had a very successful career, better than 90+% of the guys who ever played here.

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

Okay how's this? He's been much more closer to Ron Paul then Chris Paul.

More hyperbole from the board assclown

 

[Harve74]

More hyperbole from the board assclown

Hey, Chris asked for less name-calling, right?

Beside, it was sort of funny.

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

Hey, Chris asked for less name-calling, right?

Beside, it was sort of funny.

Yea I guess.....just replace assclown with something more mild

 

[Fsgolfdr]

You nailed it! Your post sums up the JRob's performance!
And as hard as he's tried he's had a lot of off games. When that happens the team is flat!
In his defense it would be nice to have a few more " spark plugs" on the team but we don't!
Bottom line I don't think he's maxed out his abilities which was my point!
He's left a lot in the locker room which come back to haunt him when his next job is in Europe not the US.
Maybe he needed someone to push him a little!

Not everyone is blessed with NBA talent and spending 24 hrs a day working on your game won't change this. I'm in Fl and play golf at a club that has 30-40 aspiring young golf pros , watching them practice for hours or playing with them you realize that the odds are no matter how good they look that none of them will ever make it on tour. It's not from lack of effort it's just the way it is.Thinking that JRob hasn't maxed out his abilities due to lack of effort is just wrong. He reached his ceiling early while McKee was only scratching the surface of his as a player at Pitt .

 

[PittPoker]

I hear you. I feel totally different about college players versus pro players. I tend not to rip players anywhere that much, but if I were to, I would probably be harder on pro players. Well, except when I got mad at Artis.

I see your point as well.

 

[PittPoker]

Hey, Chris asked for less name-calling, right?

Beside, it was sort of funny.

Thanks Harve

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Not everyone is blessed with NBA talent and spending 24 hrs a day working on your game won't change this. I'm in Fl and play golf at a club that has 30-40 aspiring young golf pros , watching them practice for hours or playing with them you realize that the odds are no matter how good they look that none of them will ever make it on tour. It's not from lack of effort it's just the way it is.Thinking that JRob hasn't maxed out his abilities due to lack of effort is just wrong. He reached his ceiling early while McKee was only scratching the surface of his as a player at Pitt .

Thank you for the information its all interesting and everyone has an opinion!
Lots of folks on here do think there's only one opinion but that's just not how things work!
Hit them straight! Going to play golf now!

 

[UPitt129]

Thank you for the information its all interesting and everyone has an opinion!
Lots of folks on here do think there's only one opinion but that's just not how things work!
Hit them straight! Going to play golf now!

Why are you constantly screaming?

 

[PittPoker]

Thank you for the information its all interesting and everyone has an opinion!
Lots of folks on here do think there's only one opinion but that's just not how things work!
Hit them straight! Going to play golf now!

Golf?? Why aren't you going to be watching the game?