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Heupel to Tennessee

He’s certainly better than Pruitt. Although the mass exodus of talent has made it probably impossible for any coach to win right away.

I just don’t think he’s proved enough yet for this job. He’s only had the UCF job a few years and they aren’t anywhere close to what they were when he took it over.

And you never hear anyone talk about his recruiting. Even by UCF standards, he has been anything special, and you never hear recruiting insiders talk about how much recruits love and how he’d kill it at a bigger school.
 
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cashisking884 said:
He’s certainly better than Pruitt. Although the mass exodus of talent has made it probably impossible for any coach to win right away.

I just don’t think he’s proved enough yet for this job. He’s only had the UCF job a few years and they aren’t anywhere close to what they were when he took it over.

And you never hear anyone talk about his recruiting. Even by UCF standards, he has been anything special, and you never hear recruiting insiders talk about how much recruits love and how he’d kill it at a bigger school.
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Still a smart hire and the best hire they have made in a long time. You need to build a program from the ground up, you better hire a guy who has been a successful head coach and who has a proven plan and process. A coordinator is a crap shoot.

Someone needs to share that memo with the brain trust at Pitt.
 
I said it once and I’m going to say this again guys. Don’t be surprised if you see a quick change at OC at PSU.
 
When they hired the UCF AD, I wondered if he would then hire the UCF coach, but I didn't think he would actually do it.

He's pretty much hand cuffed to this coaching hire. If the coach fails, the AD is gone along with the coach.

I wonder what happens with Randy Shannon.

I guess the AD figured that if they gonna fire me, it'll be based on his own decisions and not some hiring firm's recommendation.
 
I would like to think Pitt has the advantage next year...lots of talent on D, 5th year QB, stability in program vs new coach, new systems, lots of change in players. BUT...he may attract a skilled transfer QB, we don't fare great against pass heavy, quick play offenses, maybe tea coach change brings fresh enthusiasm to the team.
 
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Still a smart hire and the best hire they have made in a long time. You need to build a program from the ground up, you better hire a guy who has been a successful head coach and who has a proven plan and process. A coordinator is a crap shoot.

Someone needs to share that memo with the brain trust at Pitt.
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His "proven plan" doesn't include defense. This was his Urban Meyer-type out from a program on the decline, mostly due to Cincy's rise and a lack of defense. But this was as good as Tennessee was going to do. Remember, this is basically a .500 program for the last 20 years.

If I was Tennessee, I would have just straight-up fired Pruitt rather than digging around in the dirt and stirring up a cloud of trouble with the NCAA.
 
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I don't think Heupel will win big in the SEC, or even big enough to last more than 4 years. But I do think he gives TENN a better shot at beating Pitt the next 2 years than their former coach had.
 
djbpitt said:
His "proven plan" doesn't include defense. This was his Urban Meyer-type out from a program on the decline, mostly due to Cincy's rise and a lack of defense. But this was as good as Tennessee was going to do. Remember, this is basically a .500 program for the last 20 years.

If I was Tennessee, I would have just straight-up fired Pruitt rather than digging around in the dirt and stirring up a cloud of trouble with the NCAA.
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This is pretty much spot on. Tennessee couldn't get a proven coach to bite, even at $8 million. This hire was best they could do. And the trend wasn't looking that good for Heupel at UCF. He hasn't signed one 4 star player since he has been at UCF. This thing fell to Heupel after Tennessee was widely rejected.

The thing with straight up firing Pruitt, is that they couldn't get a booster to step up pay the $12 million. Fulmer used a new-money booster to pull his coup and hire Pruitt. When things turned south, the Haslam family stepped back in, but they weren't going to do any buy-outs to clean up somebody else's mess. Once they started digging, I think the mess just got too wide-spread and stupid to attempt to brush it under the rug.
 
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finally the ooc schedule is set up for success. Shoukd be guaranteed wins against UMass, New Hampshire and Western Michigan although WMU is no slouch. Then you have the Tennessee series which was set up a number of years ago and unlike recent series like Oklahoma State and UCF we are getting them at the right time with a huge numbers of transfers and a new staff. Even though its a road game we have enough returning experience on our roster and staff to win. 4- 0 ooc sets up nice for the ACC part of the schedule.
 
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finally the ooc schedule is set up for success. Shoukd be guaranteed wins against UMass, New Hampshire and Western Michigan although WMU is no slouch. Then you have the Tennessee series which was set up a number of years ago and unlike recent series like Oklahoma State and UCF we are getting them at the right time with a huge numbers of transfers and a new staff. Even though its a road game we have enough returning experience on our roster and staff to win. 4- 0 ooc sets up nice for the ACC part of the schedule.
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we never win road OOC games against P5 teams. I'd bet the mortgage on Tennessee.
 
TD_6082 said:
This is pretty much spot on. Tennessee couldn't get a proven coach to bite, even at $8 million. This hire was best they could do. And the trend wasn't looking that good for Heupel at UCF. He hasn't signed one 4 star player since he has been at UCF. This thing fell to Heupel after Tennessee was widely rejected.

The thing with straight up firing Pruitt, is that they couldn't get a booster to step up pay the $12 million. Fulmer used a new-money booster to pull his coup and hire Pruitt. When things turned south, the Haslam family stepped back in, but they weren't going to do any buy-outs to clean up somebody else's mess. Once they started digging, I think the mess just got too wide-spread and stupid to attempt to brush it under the rug.
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Also, Tennessee basically gave UCF $6m to find a new coach with the buyouts of Hueppel and the new AD, who was UCF’s AD! He didn’t reach out to Hugh Freeze or Caldwell, etc. He took the AD job and hired his coach who had been on the decline the last few seasons.

UCF is likely getting a better coach out of this and got $6m to do it.
 
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[QUOTE="pittzap, post: 3390250, member: He didn’t reach out to Hugh Freeze or Caldwell, etc. He took the AD job and hired his coach who had been on the decline the last few seasons.

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Wrong.

The new AD would be fired before the moving van arrived if he didnt perform a proper search.

It has been reported that Franklin, Fleck, Campbell were contacted. The fact that they hired Huepel doesnt speak badly of the new AD.

It speaks to the dumpster fire that is Tennessee football.
 
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Las Panteras said:
[QUOTE="pittzap, post: 3390250, member: He didn’t reach out to Hugh Freeze or Caldwell, etc. He took the AD job and hired his coach who had been on the decline the last few seasons.
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Wrong.

The new AD would be fired before the moving van arrived if he didnt perform a proper search.

It has been reported that Franklin, Fleck, Campbell were contacted. The fact that they hired Huepel doesnt speak badly of the new AD.

It speaks to the dumpster fire that is Tennessee football.
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Yes, Tennessee is a pile of crap now, and has been for a while. Not wrong about the AD. I have a bunch of buddies that are UT fans that are completely p*ssed off at the way this was handled. If you reach out to James Franklin, you have to be ready to offer a ton of money. He supposedly didn't.

White didn't reach out to Freeze or Jamie Chadwell, more reasonable options than Campbell or Fleck. He settled for Hueppel, his "safe hire", who can't recruit. He hates it. This will likely not end well and their fans are not happy.
 
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Heupel took over a very good team and after 3 years turned it into a decent team. The Vols will be looking for a new coach in 3-4 years, like usual.
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Tennessee, no matter who they hire, always think the new coach will have them compete against Alabama. Hence why they canned so many coaches and now can’t get a real coach with a shred of chance to beat Alabama’s JV team. They are unable to compete with Kentucky, barely South Carolina, and might be a few steps closer to Vanderbilt after this hire.
 
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Tenn will lose to Bowling Green in their 1st game then beat Pitt in their second game. And of course it will be excruciating as Pitt will probably be winning late in the 4th by 6. Driving deep into Vols territory to seal the game, then a pre snap penalty followed by a turnover followed by Tennessee driving for the game winning TD drive, aided by a dumb penalty and a back luck missed INT that goes right thru the paws of a DB...resulting in a Tennessee TD with 46 seconds left.
 
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Tenn will lose to Bowling Green in their 1st game then beat Pitt in their second game. And of course it will be excruciating as Pitt will probably be winning late in the 4th by 6. Driving deep into Vols territory to seal the game, then a pre snap penalty followed by a turnover followed by Tennessee driving for the game winning TD drive, aided by a dumb penalty and a back luck missed INT that goes right thru the paws of a DB...resulting in a Tennessee TD with 46 seconds left.
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C'mon man, no way that is happening. We will most definitely lose on a 55-yard FG made by a kicker with a previous career long of 38 yards and was 1 for 3 in Week 1. Has a kicker ever missed a FG against Pitt? Our FG against % has to like 90%+.
 
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