I don't know what some of you are...

[CorsosRevenge]

Complaining about? This should be a wet dream for all of the "Fire the coach!!!" hammerheads.

Many of you wanted Wannstedt gone after he underachieved in 2010 and you got your wish.

Many of you hated the Todd Graham hire and were happy to see him leave after one year.

Many of you weren't happy with the boring, lethargic, uninspired direction in year three of Paul Chryst and were thinking he needed to go if he didn't produce in year four. You lucked out and he left a year sooner.

So now Pitt is on it's fourth actual working full-time head coach (I don't count Haywood. If you do, it's five) in six years and it shows. Recruiting is what it is because coaches at every rival school are screaming "Don't go there. That coach won't be there in four years." And history proves they have a point. The lack of stability works against us more than attendance. Players want to know the guy they're committing to is going to be there. Historically, we haven't been able to guarantee that.

Oh by the way, have you noticed that half the Goddamned division has upgraded it's coaching staff? Beamer's been replaced at VT. Virginia went out and got a proven winner in Mendenhall and so did Miami with Richt. Hell, even Syracuse isn't a sure win anymore thanks to Dino Babers.

We all knew damn well that Wannstedt to Haywood to Graham to Chryst in three seasons would eventually take a toll on talent. But yes, lets talk summore about hot seats and "better win next year!" Afterall, it's worked so well for us in the past.

 

[ratking17]

Exactly. I personally think narduzzi is the man. but let's say he isnt. just keep him here for 6+ years to allow the pederson mistakes to be purged. but I think after a few hiccups we see the narduzzi effect in 2 more years and then all of these whiners will jump on the duzz train

 

[Swervin27]

Has anyone posted "fire Narduzzi?" Honestly, I am asking. I haven't seen anyone post that. Does this really exist or are we making this up to start up a strawman argument? If so, im cool with that, just wondering..

 

[CorsosRevenge]

There's a thread about hot seat and bitching about the honeymoon being over. Dude had 80 percent of his offense go down last year, won eight games and got this team in the top 25. It would be different if we were pulling top 25 classes the past five years. We haven't.

 

[Muddy Puddles]

Complaining about? This should be a wet dream for all of the "Fire the coach!!!" hammerheads.

Many of you wanted Wannstedt gone after he underachieved in 2010 and you got your wish.

Many of you hated the Todd Graham hire and were happy to see him leave after one year.

Many of you weren't happy with the boring, lethargic, uninspired direction in year three of Paul Chryst and were thinking he needed to go if he didn't produce in year four. You lucked out and he left a year sooner.

So now Pitt is on it's fourth actual working full-time head coach (I don't count Haywood. If you do, it's five) in six years and it shows. Recruiting is what it is because coaches at every rival school are screaming "Don't go there. That coach won't be there in four years." And history proves they have a point. The lack of stability works against us more than attendance. Players want to know the guy they're committing to is going to be there. Historically, we haven't been able to guarantee that.

Oh by the way, have you noticed that half the Goddamned division has upgraded it's coaching staff? Beamer's been replaced at VT. Virginia went out and got a proven winner in Mendenhall and so did Miami with Richt. Hell, even Syracuse isn't a sure win anymore thanks to Dino Babers.

We all knew damn well that Wannstedt to Haywood to Graham to Chryst in three seasons would eventually take a toll on talent. But yes, lets talk summore about hot seats and "better win next year!" Afterall, it's worked so well for us in the past.

Great post. It's hard to see us lose like always, but firing the coach would only make us suck that much more. People advocating that are really clueless to how much constant coaching changes hurt a program. Eventually, you need some consistency and build from that. You can't swing for the fences every 2 years hoping that THUS GUY will finally be the one to lead us to the promised land. It's really nonsensical.

 

[Pittx9]

Honeymoon over? probably. Hot seat? That is seriously a joke. Mark it down, we have not seen the best of the narduzzi years yet. Barnes has faith, he's not gonna blow the program up because a few irrational people think in year 2 we should be a top ten team.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Let me paraphrase for you:
'You're assuming intent that we want someone fired. Merely pointing out a million dollar coach is not beyond criticism in any sport. And thumping your chest over piddly benchmarks is, well, just that- and that needs pointed out to you. And didn't you say Nordy/Pedey couldn't hire a couch but Gallagher/Barnes could? Are you moving goalposts for season goals? Well now you're partaking in doubletalk and that needs pointed out to you. We are the voices of reason, the voices of reality. We want Pitt to do well, will rarely commit to a prediction of our own, but will by damn keep you in check'.
Got it?

 

[PittPoker]

Wannstedt won 27 games in his final 3 seasons I believe. Recruiting was pretty damn good. So far Narduzzi is in way over his head and his defense blows chunks. Wait til Saturday when we give up over 65 points. Yes you heard me, over 65. I was right about Miami and I will be right on the Clemson game. It will be an embarrassing rout and we can thank Narduzzi for not even trying to change.

 

[CorsosRevenge]

Let me paraphrase for you:
'You're assuming intent that we want someone fired. Merely pointing out a million dollar coach is not beyond criticism in any sport. And thumping your chest over piddly benchmarks is, well, just that- and that needs pointed out to you. And didn't you say Nordy/Pedey couldn't hire a couch but Gallagher/Barnes could? Are you moving goalposts for season goals? Well now you're partaking in doubletalk and that needs pointed out to you. We are the voices of reason, the voices of reality. We want Pitt to do well, will rarely commit to a prediction of our own, but will by damn keep you in check'.
Got it?

A million dollar coach? The going rate for a top flight head coach is about four times that amount. All Pitt is doing is paying prevailing wage based on 2016 salary guidelines. Let's not act like we ponied up big bucks to get Nick Saban. We ponied up the going rate for a. Guy with no head coaching experience. You get what you pay for.
Got it?

 

[Swervin27]

There's a thread about hot seat and bitching about the honeymoon being over. Dude had 80 percent of his offense go down last year, won eight games and got this team in the top 25. It would be different if we were pulling top 25 classes the past five years. We haven't.

the honeymoon is over. The "hot seat" cliché needs to go away, it's WAY over used. His seat is cooler than the other side of the pillow..

 

[TD_istheman]

Has anyone posted "fire Narduzzi?" Honestly, I am asking. I haven't seen anyone post that. Does this really exist or are we making this up to start up a strawman argument? If so, im cool with that, just wondering..

Making it up, nobody wants him fired. Most are saying 4 years at least.

 

[TD_istheman]

Wannstedt won 27 games in his final 3 seasons I believe. Recruiting was pretty damn good. So far Narduzzi is in way over his head and his defense blows chunks. Wait til Saturday when we give up over 65 points. Yes you heard me, over 65. I was right about Miami and I will be right on the Clemson game. It will be an embarrassing rout and we can thank Narduzzi for not even trying to change.

This is the truth! I don't care what the sheep say, this is 100% correct

 

[Swervin27]

Making it up, nobody wants him fired. Most are saying 4 years at least.

yeah, I agree. That's what annoys me about this board, some people dare question Narduzzi so that automatically means they want him fired.. No middle ground, if you question the staff then you want him fired. Come on, I love Duzzi but I question many of his decisions. Doesn't mean I want him fired, It means I don't think he is perfect.. Big difference..

 

[Las Panteras]

To the OP........

I HIGHLY doubt high school coaches are telling kids not to come to Pitt because the coach wont be there for 4 years.

But opposing recruiters are........along with the fact that nobody goes to the games.

I mean think about it.......solid conference, decent recruiting base, experienced coaching staff (the merits of their body of work can be debated but not their experience), commitment from the highest levels of administration.......

the only piece that is missing for Pitt is attendance.

If Pitt can solve this problem (why the upper deck hasnt been tarped off is baffling), what do opposing recruiters have to argue with? Off campus stadium?? that matters little to most of these kids.

The Pitt brass has made some efforts to increase attendance but nowhere near enough. That is why it is incumbent upon Narduzzi to win. Whether or not he can remains to be seen

 

[tetonpanther]

Complaining about? This should be a wet dream for all of the "Fire the coach!!!" hammerheads.

Many of you wanted Wannstedt gone after he underachieved in 2010 and you got your wish.

Many of you hated the Todd Graham hire and were happy to see him leave after one year.

Many of you weren't happy with the boring, lethargic, uninspired direction in year three of Paul Chryst and were thinking he needed to go if he didn't produce in year four. You lucked out and he left a year sooner.

So now Pitt is on it's fourth actual working full-time head coach (I don't count Haywood. If you do, it's five) in six years and it shows. Recruiting is what it is because coaches at every rival school are screaming "Don't go there. That coach won't be there in four years." And history proves they have a point. The lack of stability works against us more than attendance. Players want to know the guy they're committing to is going to be there. Historically, we haven't been able to guarantee that.

Oh by the way, have you noticed that half the Goddamned division has upgraded it's coaching staff? Beamer's been replaced at VT. Virginia went out and got a proven winner in Mendenhall and so did Miami with Richt. Hell, even Syracuse isn't a sure win anymore thanks to Dino Babers.

We all knew damn well that Wannstedt to Haywood to Graham to Chryst in three seasons would eventually take a toll on talent. But yes, lets talk summore about hot seats and "better win next year!" Afterall, it's worked so well for us in the past.

This from one of the tardos that ran off Walt or " Wlat " as you idiots dubbed the guy. A good coach a better person. Now cue your stupid ass Denny's comment

 

[CorsosRevenge]

To the OP........

I HIGHLY doubt high school coaches are telling kids not to come to Pitt because the coach wont be there for 4 years.

But opposing recruiters are........along with the fact that nobody goes to the games.

I mean think about it.......solid conference, decent recruiting base, experienced coaching staff (the merits of their body of work can be debated but not their experience), commitment from the highest levels of administration.......

the only piece that is missing for Pitt is attendance.

If Pitt can solve this problem (why the upper deck hasnt been tarped off is baffling), what do opposing recruiters have to argue with? Off campus stadium?? that matters little to most of these kids.

The Pitt brass has made some efforts to increase attendance but nowhere near enough. That is why it is incumbent upon Narduzzi to win. Whether or not he can remains to be seen

I'll buy you a Cadillac if you can point out where I said high school coaches.

 

[Jpripper88]

Has anyone posted "fire Narduzzi?" Honestly, I am asking. I haven't seen anyone post that. Does this really exist or are we making this up to start up a strawman argument? If so, im cool with that, just wondering..

Exactly this. Strawman to the extreme.

 

[Piranha]

Complaining about? This should be a wet dream for all of the "Fire the coach!!!" hammerheads.

Many of you wanted Wannstedt gone after he underachieved in 2010 and you got your wish.

Many of you hated the Todd Graham hire and were happy to see him leave after one year.

Many of you weren't happy with the boring, lethargic, uninspired direction in year three of Paul Chryst and were thinking he needed to go if he didn't produce in year four. You lucked out and he left a year sooner.

So now Pitt is on it's fourth actual working full-time head coach (I don't count Haywood. If you do, it's five) in six years and it shows. Recruiting is what it is because coaches at every rival school are screaming "Don't go there. That coach won't be there in four years." And history proves they have a point. The lack of stability works against us more than attendance. Players want to know the guy they're committing to is going to be there. Historically, we haven't been able to guarantee that.

Oh by the way, have you noticed that half the Goddamned division has upgraded it's coaching staff? Beamer's been replaced at VT. Virginia went out and got a proven winner in Mendenhall and so did Miami with Richt. Hell, even Syracuse isn't a sure win anymore thanks to Dino Babers.

We all knew damn well that Wannstedt to Haywood to Graham to Chryst in three seasons would eventually take a toll on talent. But yes, lets talk summore about hot seats and "better win next year!" Afterall, it's worked so well for us in the past.

A lot of people who did not learn from history.

 

[SVPanther]

He's here for the next 2+ years at least. If for no other reason, coaching turnover is killing us more than any other element. I'm not expecting anything other than, at best,minor-if any bowl for the next three years, and based on current trends, mediocre recruiting. That said, stability is most important. We are a long ways away from being a factor in the ACC.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

We PITT does the same thing over and over with the football program and expects different results.
We hire a good HC like Narduzzi and than give him garbage coordinators and other staff and expect the HC to turn bronze into gold.
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
We could hire Saban, provide him with financial constraints on hiring staff, he hires average or below average staff = same results!
Canada is working out not sure how things will be over the long haul. The situation might be even better with a higher quality OC.
On the other hand the D coordinator & staff are lost in the forest and aren't going to find their way out!
Until PITT goes "all in" for D1 winning football nothing will change. Good coordinators are better coaches, better recruiters, better PR for the program and are potential HC's for that same program.
When a U goes " all it" its a signal to fans, recruits, opponents that they're serious about
putting a quality D1 football program on the field. On the other hand a U that hires a good HC and bargin basement staff is sending the opposite message. That's what PITT does!
I'd bet that if we provided Wanny with the flexibility to hire upgraded staff we wouldn't be going through this cycle right now.

 

[jtownknowitall]

He's here until he takes another job just like the two guys before him

 

[CorsosRevenge]

We PITT does the same thing over and over with the football program and expects different results.
We hire a good HC like Narduzzi and than give him garbage coordinators and other staff and expect the HC to turn bronze into gold.
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
We could hire Saban, provide him with financial constraints on hiring staff, he hires average or below average staff = same results!
Canada is working out not sure how things will be over the long haul.
On the other hand the D coordinator & staff are lost in the forest and aren't going to find their way out!
Until PITT goes "all in" for D1 winning football nothing will change. Good coordinators are better coaches, better recruiters, better PR for the program and are potential HC's for that same program.
When a U goes " all it" its a signal to fans, recruits, opponents that they're serious about
putting a quality D1 football program on the field. On the other hand a U that hires a good HC and bargin basement staff is sending the opposite message. That's what PITT does!
I'd bet that if we had provided Wanny with the flexibility to hire upgraded staff we wouldn't be going through this cycle right now.

Pitt fans expect the same dining experience of The Lemont at Red Lobster. When they don't get it the make a big fuss that they paid a whole $45.89 for a dinner for two and ask to see the manager. Then they go home and leave a bad Yelp review.

 

[Muddy Puddles]

Exactly this. Strawman to the extreme.

I don't name names, but there are specifically 2 posters I can think of who have said basically that. It may be overstated in that there are only a couple, but they are there. Probably typical of anything really. Every group has at least a couple nuts in it.

 

[Muddy Puddles]

Pitt fans expect the same dining experience of The Lemont at Red Lobster. When they don't get it the make a big fuss that they paid a whole $45.89 for a dinner for two and ask to see the manager. Then they go home and leave a bad Yelp review.

lol....nice

 

[VAPITTALUM]

He's here for the next 2+ years at least. If for no other reason, coaching turnover is killing us more than any other element. I'm not expecting anything other than, at best,minor-if any bowl for the next three years, and based on current trends, mediocre recruiting. That said, stability is most important. We are a long ways away from being a factor in the ACC.

Again, what "trend" are you talking about with regard to "mediocre recruiting"?

Furthermore, PITT finished second behind UNC last year in the Coastal. I would think that means PITT was a factor in the ACC.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Let me paraphrase for you:
'You're assuming intent that we want someone fired. Merely pointing out a million dollar coach is not beyond criticism in any sport. And thumping your chest over piddly benchmarks is, well, just that- and that needs pointed out to you. And didn't you say Nordy/Pedey couldn't hire a couch but Gallagher/Barnes could? Are you moving goalposts for season goals? Well now you're partaking in doubletalk and that needs pointed out to you. We are the voices of reason, the voices of reality. We want Pitt to do well, will rarely commit to a prediction of our own, but will by damn keep you in check'.
Got it?

Well said.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Pitt fans expect the same dining experience of The Lemont at Red Lobster. When they don't get it the make a big fuss that they paid a whole $45.89 for a dinner for two and ask to see the manager. Then they go home and leave a bad Yelp review.

So again, this 35 years of malaise and mediocrity is all the fans fault? Dude, you are lucky people are angry and pissed. It could dive back into the mid 90's complete ambivalence.

 

[pittmeister]

Complaining about? This should be a wet dream for all of the "Fire the coach!!!" hammerheads.

Many of you wanted Wannstedt gone after he underachieved in 2010 and you got your wish.

Many of you hated the Todd Graham hire and were happy to see him leave after one year.

Many of you weren't happy with the boring, lethargic, uninspired direction in year three of Paul Chryst and were thinking he needed to go if he didn't produce in year four. You lucked out and he left a year sooner.

So now Pitt is on it's fourth actual working full-time head coach (I don't count Haywood. If you do, it's five) in six years and it shows. Recruiting is what it is because coaches at every rival school are screaming "Don't go there. That coach won't be there in four years." And history proves they have a point. The lack of stability works against us more than attendance. Players want to know the guy they're committing to is going to be there. Historically, we haven't been able to guarantee that.

Oh by the way, have you noticed that half the Goddamned division has upgraded it's coaching staff? Beamer's been replaced at VT. Virginia went out and got a proven winner in Mendenhall and so did Miami with Richt. Hell, even Syracuse isn't a sure win anymore thanks to Dino Babers.

We all knew damn well that Wannstedt to Haywood to Graham to Chryst in three seasons would eventually take a toll on talent. But yes, lets talk summore about hot seats and "better win next year!" Afterall, it's worked so well for us in the past.

PREACH BROTHER PREACH!!!

 

[Jpripper88]

I don't name names, but there are specifically 2 posters I can think of who have said basically that. It may be overstated in that there are only a couple, but they are there. Probably typical of anything really. Every group has at least a couple nuts in it.

I'd love for you to find those posts, because I certainly have never seen anyone here say they believe Narduzzi should be fired or pushed out.

 

[CorsosRevenge]

So again, this 35 years of malaise and mediocrity is all the fans fault? Dude, you are lucky people are angry and pissed. It could dive back into the mid 90's complete ambivalence.

And I'll buy YOU a Cadillac if you can show me where I said that. Tiger Pauls makes it sound like "million dollar coach" is a BFD. Dude, Western Michigan is paying its coach a million dollars annually. It's not the 1990s anymore.

 

[pbrad]

Sometimes questions are thrown out to see what others think. Nobody wants Narduzzi gone, but fans do want to see improvement. Beamer took 6 years to get Va Tech winning big with a Va Tech identity. If it takes the Duzz 6 years so be it, but is it a sin to ask for improvement over the course of a season.

 

[TD_istheman]

If after 4 years we are 6-6 , 7-5, and recruiting has not vastly improved, I will be calling for his ouster.

 

[Las Panteras]

I'll buy you a Cadillac if you can point out where I said high school coaches.

Nah.....

I'M more of a pickup guy myself

Im also a reading comprehension ahole.....

My bad

 

[VAPITTALUM]

Sometimes questions are thrown out to see what others think. Nobody wants Narduzzi gone, but fans do want to see improvement. Beamer took 6 years to get Va Tech winning big with a Va Tech identity. If it takes the Duzz 6 years so be it, but is it a sin to ask for improvement over the course of a season.

Not one PITT fan (some posters on this board are not included in this lot) willy deny they want to see improvement from this team, which seems to be slipping going down the stretch. However, the endless threads regarding PITT's lack of success in recruiting, horrible coaching, etc. are unfounded at this point in the short tenure of Narduzzi and staff.

He pieced together a first recruiting class in about a month, so that truly can't be held against him. His second recruiting class was very solid, with players that were highly coveted by several P5 schools. I would imagine this year's class will be much of the same. Is it going to be a Top 10 class, heck no, but it will be a solid group of players who can help this team win in the future.

On the defensive coaching, what else is there to try? You can drop another player in at Safety in a nickel package, where certain players are double-teamed, but these WRs are absolutely destroying the secondary. The only change I could see that might make a difference is playing Whitehead as more of a LB/S hybrid where he is provided some freedom to come in on a corner blitz. The D-Line is getting absolutely no push, which makes the secondary look even worse. Delayed blitzes and blitzing off the corner could help...

 

[Muddy Puddles]

I'd love for you to find those posts, because I certainly have never seen anyone here say they believe Narduzzi should be fired or pushed out.

I can find them in 10 seconds. Come back here next time we are down in a game, you'll see them. Like I said, it's two or maybe 3 guys, but they are there. Why is it so emotional to you that this might be true?

 

[Jpripper88]

I can find them in 10 seconds. Come back here next time we are down in a game, you'll see them. Like I said, it's two or maybe 3 guys, but they are there. Why is it so emotional to you that this might be true?

Ok, so where are they? I am not emotional, at all, about this. Why do you think I am? Because I called the OP out and then responded to you after you chose to quote my post and reply to me?

If you can find the posts in 10 seconds, great, it should be easy for you and the OP to say, "Look, here are the idiots saying Pitt should fire or push out HCPN!" Boom, your posts are validated. As it stands now, it seems like you and the OP are taking people being (maybe extremely in some cases) negative when we are getting hammered and our coach is making bad decision after bad decision, as them saying they think he should be fired.

I am 100% not emotional when I say this, but I think, at best, you and the OP are being disingenuous and creating a strawman argument and, at worst, flat out lying. For what reason? I guess to push the narrative that Pitt has all these negative "fans" or rival fans who hate Pitt so much they pose as negative Pitt fans and post all day on Pantherlair.

 

[SVPanther]

Again, what "trend" are you talking about with regard to "mediocre recruiting"?

Furthermore, PITT finished second behind UNC last year in the Coastal. I would think that means PITT was a factor in the ACC.

According to 247:
'15 - 47th Nationally, 9th in ACC
'16- 30th Nationally, 4th ACC
'17-37th Nationally, 8th ACC.
I don't know what your goals are for Pitt, but since we got rid of Walt, the mantra has been "next level." I interpret that to mean consistent Top 15 (or even top 20) year after year. In that context, I think the conclusion the our recruiting trend is mediocre is inarguable.

 

[TD_istheman]

That type of recruiting will get us 7-5 seasons

 

[President Stache]

Complaining about? This should be a wet dream for all of the "Fire the coach!!!" hammerheads.

Many of you wanted Wannstedt gone after he underachieved in 2010 and you got your wish.

Many of you hated the Todd Graham hire and were happy to see him leave after one year.

Many of you weren't happy with the boring, lethargic, uninspired direction in year three of Paul Chryst and were thinking he needed to go if he didn't produce in year four. You lucked out and he left a year sooner.

So now Pitt is on it's fourth actual working full-time head coach (I don't count Haywood. If you do, it's five) in six years and it shows. Recruiting is what it is because coaches at every rival school are screaming "Don't go there. That coach won't be there in four years." And history proves they have a point. The lack of stability works against us more than attendance. Players want to know the guy they're committing to is going to be there. Historically, we haven't been able to guarantee that.

Oh by the way, have you noticed that half the Goddamned division has upgraded it's coaching staff? Beamer's been replaced at VT. Virginia went out and got a proven winner in Mendenhall and so did Miami with Richt. Hell, even Syracuse isn't a sure win anymore thanks to Dino Babers.

We all knew damn well that Wannstedt to Haywood to Graham to Chryst in three seasons would eventually take a toll on talent. But yes, lets talk summore about hot seats and "better win next year!" Afterall, it's worked so well for us in the past.

This is one of the best post I have read in awhile. I was thinking of writing one like this. But, I FAIL to believe, PittPiker/TD_/TD_istheman/hamptonroads/SVP/whatever other user name he/she uses is a Pitt fan. I would put money on it.

It is just impossible... impossible that these people have negative opinions about EVERYTHING! I mean, not one positive post ever. There is no way he is a Pitt fan, none.

I mean, they will post something, and no one reads it, then one of the pseudo-names responds and likes it, then another, then when still no one responds, there is another person who suddenly has post number one agreeing with some asinine negative slant. Like there are people out there that think "wow, I just love Pitt football, but I really need to find a forum where i can go and as my first post just rip Pitt a new one, the coach, the team, recruiting, fan base, stadium, everything"... then sign up for the lair and then say "wow, this guy just crystallized my thoughts perfectly that until now I was happy not sharing with the world, and figured I would help hurt recruiting and positive energy to this team I love so dearly"

It's complete garbage, and BWI knows it, and long ago stopped it. I used to complain about that site, but they are right on, that is the way a forum should be run when its for the fans of that university.

 

[President Stache]

If after 4 years we are 6-6 , 7-5, and recruiting has not vastly improved, I will be calling for his ouster.

Are you F'n kidding??? Youve been badmouthing him since week one... of his tenure! After badmouthing Chryst every single week until he left.