I dont understand the timing of this outrage

[Sean Miller Fan]

I was most upset when Aaron Thompson and Cam Johnson left. I said he should be fired at that point. However, he wasn't. Lyke decided to let him rebuild and the season is playing out exactly as I thought.

If anything, this team is exceeding my expectations. I was fully aware of how bad this was going to be. I don't understand why close losses to teams expected to challenge for NCAA bids has caused all this outrage. Did you think we were going to go 10-3 or 11-2 in the OOC? We have an entirely new team.

I am pleasantly surprised that Stevenson and Carr look like they will be good players in time and even a guy like Kham Davis looks like he may be as well. We are better than I thought we'd be

 

[whirlybird optio]

I agree. I think the team more or less looks like how I thought, a few good pieces, a lot of dead weight. I think the outrage is the attendance, the apathy, but its also one thing to say/know that you are going to be bad. Its another thing to lose to a Patriot and Big Sky team and just be ok with it. Also, its a message board, people are always outraged.

I have no way of knowing this..but my hunch is that KS might not make it to next season if this year really is a 5-6 total win season. I'm not sure.

 

[PittMan 72]

Anybody know exactly what Stallings is owed if he gets fired right now per the current terms of his contract?

 

[IamHeisenberg]

I was most upset when Aaron Thompson and Cam Johnson left. I said he should be fired at that point. However, he wasn't. Lyke decided to let him rebuild and the season is playing out exactly as I thought.

If anything, this team is exceeding my expectations. I was fully aware of how bad this was going to be. I don't understand why close losses to teams expected to challenge for NCAA bids has caused all this outrage. Did you think we were going to go 10-3 or 11-2 in the OOC? We have an entirely new team.

I am pleasantly surprised that Stevenson and Carr look like they will be good players in time and even a guy like Kham Davis looks like he may be as well. We are better than I thought we'd be

Because most people haven't paid attention since the last game of ACC tourney.

 

[PantherFan412]

Anybody know exactly what Stallings is owed if he gets fired right now per the current terms of his contract?

No one knows, and everyone is going to regurgitate the same groupthink nonsense that his buy out is too expensive for Pitt to pay. As far as I know, there has never been any reporting on Stallings' buyout.

 

[Pitt79]

I like Shamiel Stevenson, he's a bull, might be really good in a few years, Wilson-Frame too is legit, Some of the others aren't as bad as they are made out to be, they are just young. If he can recruit better, who knows? They mentioned during the broadcast that we got a 4 star recruit for next year too. But this year, I feel like 5 wins TOPS.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I agree. I think the team more or less looks like how I thought, a few good pieces, a lot of dead weight. I think the outrage is the attendance, the apathy, but its also one thing to say/know that you are going to be bad. Its another thing to lose to a Patriot and Big Sky team and just be ok with it. Also, its a message board, people are always outraged.

I have no way of knowing this..but my hunch is that KS might not make it to next season if this year really is a 5-6 total win season. I'm not sure.

But again, why not just fire him after Thompson and Cam left? With only 2 returning players.....and at that time there were rumors that Luther and Milligan could leave also. When you lose 93% of scoring and return 0 starters, and 2 players who combined for 3 starts, I dont see a justification for firing a coach for a 5-27 record. The firing needed to be in May, not after this season.

Because she didn't fire him in May, she has to give him 2018-19......unless we win maybe 2-3 games total

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Anybody know exactly what Stallings is owed if he gets fired right now per the current terms of his contract?

He got a 6 year deal. Probably a safe bet that it’s in the range of 1.5 - 1.8 per.

 

[levance2]

Most people on this site refused to admit how bad the team would be. We kept hearing "You haven't even seen them play yet!!!" as if that matters.

Half the people whining about Stallings now were ones a year ago saying every coach needs three full years to show what he can do, talking about how nobody could recruit worse than Dixon.

 

[PittMan 72]

He got a 6 year deal. Probably a safe bet that it’s in the range of 1.5 - 1.8 per.

And the cost to Pitt of buying KS out right now is probably the hang up. Knowing Pitt's preference for frugality in terms of athletics spending. Not that Lyke decided to let him rebuild. Barnes put Pitt in a very difficult situation by agreeing to that length of a contract at that amount.

KS likely knew that he was coming into a pretty difficult rebuild here with some high expectations, so he insisted on that contract. In hindsight Barnes should have negotiated better. But after what transpired later, maybe Barnes didn't care what type of bind he was putting Pitt in?

 

[4Mark_Marty]

But again, why not just fire him after Thompson and Cam left? With only 2 returning players.....and at that time there were rumors that Luther and Milligan could leave also. When you lose 93% of scoring and return 0 starters, and 2 players who combined for 3 starts, I dont see a justification for firing a coach for a 5-27 record. The firing needed to be in May, not after this season.

Because she didn't fire him in May, she has to give him 2018-19......unless we win maybe 2-3 games total

SHE WAS HIRED IN APRIL!! HOW IN ANYONE’S RIGHT MIND COULD SHE FIRE SOMEONE IN MAY!!

 

[Seneca_Valley]

SHE WAS HIRED IN APRIL!! HOW IN ANYONE’S RIGHT MIND COULD SHE FIRE SOMEONE IN MAY!!

LOL!

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

But again, why not just fire him after Thompson and Cam left? With only 2 returning players.....and at that time there were rumors that Luther and Milligan could leave also. When you lose 93% of scoring and return 0 starters, and 2 players who combined for 3 starts, I dont see a justification for firing a coach for a 5-27 record. The firing needed to be in May, not after this season.

Because she didn't fire him in May, she has to give him 2018-19......unless we win maybe 2-3 games total

SHE WAS HIRED IN APRIL!! HOW IN ANYONE’S RIGHT MIND COULD SHE FIRE SOMEONE IN MAY!!

Huh? Why not? The new Illinois AD fired their new football coach days after taking the job.

 

[4Mark_Marty]

Huh? Why not? The new Illinois AD fired their new football coach days after taking the job.

3.5 season sample size on Beckman. Apples and carrots.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Huh? Why not? The new Illinois AD fired their new football coach days after taking the job.

3.5 season sample size on Beckman. Apples and carrots.

Nope. The old AD promoted Bill Cubit from interim to permanent HC. Then the new AD came in and fired him

 

[pitt-girl]

Huh? Why not? The new Illinois AD fired their new football coach days after taking the job.

SMF - you do understand why Beckman was fired, right? There were multiple reports of player abuse that were substantiated by an internal investigation. He HAD to be fired. He was not let go for his record although his lack of success made the decision easier.

It's ridiculous to use that as an example.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Huh? Why not? The new Illinois AD fired their new football coach days after taking the job.

SMF - you do understand why Beckman was fired, right? There were multiple reports of player abuse that were substantiated by an internal investigation. He HAD to be fired. He was not let go for his record although his lack of success made the decision easier.

It's ridiculous to use that as an example.

Read my prior post

 

[pitt-girl]

Read my prior post

Apologies - I almost forgot about Cubit. Still the comparison is not a good one. Not sure exactly how much, but I know the buyout for Cubit was under $1M. It is safe to assume that Stallings is at least 3-4 times that. Also it is speculated that Whitman had approached Lovie Smith even before formally being named AD.

Lastly and most importantly, Illinois has more $$ at their disposal than Pitt. And fwiw, it was a donor who financed the buyout.

 

[PantherFan412]

Apologies - I almost forgot about Cubit. Still the comparison is not a good one. Not sure exactly how much, but I know the buyout for Cubit was under $1M. It is safe to assume that Stallings is at least 3-4 times that. Also it is speculated that Whitman had approached Lovie Smith even before formally being named AD.

Lastly and most importantly, Illinois has more $$ at their disposal than Pitt. And fwiw, it was a donor who financed the buyout.

Everyone assumes Stallings had a huge buyout, maybe he does but does anyone have a source? Not calling you out whatsoever but just wondering if there has been any formal or informal reporting?

The buyout can be the salary left on the contract, but that would be atypical. USA Today recently did a piece on the best/worst college football HC contracts and even most of the worst contracts didn't require the school to pay the rest of the coach's salary (one notable exception was Todd Graham).

 

[pitt-girl]

Everyone assumes Stallings had a huge buyout, maybe he does but does anyone have a source? Not calling you out whatsoever but just wondering if there has been any formal or informal reporting?

The buyout can be the salary left on the contract, but that would be atypical. USA Today recently did a piece on the best/worst college football HC contracts and even most of the worst contracts didn't require the school to pay the rest of the coach's salary (one notable exception was Todd Graham).

I don't know exactly, but I think it is safe to assume that since Barnes signed him to 6 years, the buyout was also probably negotiated in Stallings favor. I feel very comfortable saying that it is definitely more than $1M, that's for sure.

I've been on the record here that Stallings is on a very hot seat, most especially if there is not tangible improvement as the season progresses. I have heard the relationship between Lyke and Stallings isn't very warm and fuzzy, but take that fwiw since I didn't hear it first hand.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Everyone assumes Stallings had a huge buyout, maybe he does but does anyone have a source? Not calling you out whatsoever but just wondering if there has been any formal or informal reporting?

The buyout can be the salary left on the contract, but that would be atypical. USA Today recently did a piece on the best/worst college football HC contracts and even most of the worst contracts didn't require the school to pay the rest of the coach's salary (one notable exception was Todd Graham).

I don't know exactly, but I think it is safe to assume that since Barnes signed him to 6 years, the buyout was also probably negotiated in Stallings favor. I feel very comfortable saying that it is definitely more than $1M, that's for sure.

I've been on the record here that Stallings is on a very hot seat, most especially if there is not tangible improvement as the season progresses. I have heard the relationship between Lyke and Stallings isn't very warm and fuzzy, but take that fwiw since I didn't hear it first hand.

Or Barnes gave Stallings more years but with a cheaper buyout. Nobody knows.

The only thing I've ever heard on it is Zeise saying it drops after year 3

 

[Haydman]

Or Barnes gave Stallings more years but with a cheaper buyout. Nobody knows.

The only thing I've ever heard on it is Zeise saying it drops after year 3

I also happened be listening to Gorman's show one weekend and he said the same thing. No specifics but that it drops after year three. He did not mention how he knew this.

 

[pitt-girl]

Or Barnes gave Stallings more years but with a cheaper buyout. Nobody knows.

The only thing I've ever heard on it is Zeise saying it drops after year 3

It might. I don't know.

Pitt has a real dilemma. Lose the revenue from an empty Pete, or lose a chunk of $$ to buy out Stallings. I don't envy Lyke.

 

[wbrpanther]

Most people on this site refused to admit how bad the team would be. We kept hearing "You haven't even seen them play yet!!!" as if that matters.

Half the people whining about Stallings now were ones a year ago saying every coach needs three full years to show what he can do, talking about how nobody could recruit worse than Dixon.

Everyone knew this team wasn’t going to be very good. Stallings should be given 4 years.

 

[pitt-girl]

Everyone knew this team wasn’t going to be very good. Stallings should be given 4 years.

Not with an empty Pete.

 

[wbrpanther]

Not with an empty Pete.

OK

 

[levance2]

Everyone knew this team wasn’t going to be very good. Stallings should be given 4 years.

That’s dumb.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

The only thing I've ever heard on it is Zeise saying it drops after year 3

Which is, of course, no real information at all. The dollar value of the buyout drops every year a coach stays. Both for the school buying out the coach and the coach buying his way out of the school. Stalling's buyout will be smaller after this season than it would have been after last season. If we keep him next year his buyout at the end of next year will be less than it is at the end of this year. And so on.

 

[pitt-girl]

Which is, of course, no real information at all. The dollar value of the buyout drops every year a coach stays. Both for the school buying out the coach and the coach buying his way out of the school. Stalling's buyout will be smaller after this season than it would have been after last season. If we keep him next year his buyout at the end of next year will be less than it is at the end of this year. And so on.

Joe it's possible they built in a bit of "protection" for the first 3 years. In fact given the generosity regarding the length of the contract, I wouldn't be shocked at all if the buyout had an unconventional structure.

Pure speculation though.