They can consider it a cap violation all they want but it would not break the rules.
If college players want to be paid like professionals…
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Is there a salary cap for coaches ?
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They'd consider it a cap violation and penalize the team in some way. They'd also rewrite the CBA to be more clear. The thing is the players' union wouldn't want their players to be paid salaries by fans and obviously the owners dont as teams with smaller fanbases couldn't compete with teams who have bigger fanbases willing to pay salaries. The players' union would fear a trend towards owners paying players less expecting fans to pick up the difference. Its a terrible terrible system and there's a reason the NFL doesn't do it and will never do it. And when a CBA comes to college football in a few years, the pay for play NIL deals will go away since they'd count towards the cap. If a player wants to sell autographs at the mall or sell jerseys or appear in a commercial for the local plumber, that's fine. Those are legit.
pittdan77
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So nobody can enforce the rules, which brings us to where we are, but someone is going to enforce the rules now because, why, again?
This is all made up bullshit, you have no idea what the owners would do and to say the union would not want its players getting more money is stupid.
Pay for play NIL is not going away because the schools that matter don't want it to go away, they want to control it.
The union would like players to receive more money but they want the owners to pay it. They would want the cap raised. They would not want fans of the most popular teams, not all teams, to start paying players because owners could use this model as a reason to not raise the salary cap.
And pay for play NIL is 100% going away when the college football gets a CBA. If the market value of a player is $1 million but the school only pays $500K with the fans covering the rest, then the salary cap will be raised to reflect the true value. Fans can donate their $500K to the school and the schools can pay that to the player in salary. This whole pay for play thing is only an invention to skirt amatuerism rules. Once they are pros, it goes away.
You may want it to go away but it won't because you can't make rules about NIL and someone's free market value. If you have the money and want to pay TJ Watt $10 million to show up to your kid's birthday no one can stop that and if a collective wants to pay some kid $500k to come shake some hands you cannot stop it. The biggest programs want more control, not less NIL and they are going to win that fight so you can get on board or move aside. Your only real hope is the schools can share enough revenue that the collectives become irrelevant but that probably cuts too many schools out.
Well, yea, no one can stop someone from paying TJ Watt $10 million to appear at a birthday party or paying a college player $500K to do nothing. They get that money. But it would count towards the cap. As a fan of the team, I would be considered a "representative" who cannot pay Watt's salary outside of the cap. However, stronger language would be put in next time around.
Collectives for sure will be gone because those are plainly obvious "team representatives." The only possible way around it is to have individual donors pay appearance fees like in your TJ Watt example. But even then, there would very likely be some third party who judges what fair market value is for someone like him to show up at a kids party. Probably something like $25K. So the other $9,975,000 he was paid has to count against the cap.
Exactly. Can you imagine how Alabama and Ohio State would react to competing on a level playing field with 30 other schools? Lol. Not in a bagillion years would that be accepted. It would be like plucking a wine connoisseur out of Italy and telling them it's going to be Barefoot and Yellow Tail from now on.
Who said the salary cap will have to be low enough that Pitt and OSU will pay the same? Do the Yankees and Pirates spend the same?
It was something like $24M for all sports. They've already pitched a number.
I doubt Pitt will get to it, but plenty of schools will get there or close enough to it.
That's the cap that schools can directly pay for play NIL. They still aren't employees. Once they become employees, a hard salary cap will be part of the CBA.
Well it's the only salary cap that's been discussed as of now, and it's not all that dissimilar to how salary caps work in other sports, whether they're employees or not. Yes - it's the money schools can pay all athletes. But it's not going to stop collectives from going above and beyond that, which is the point.
It's certainly possible that the cap raises to a point where the Yankees and Dodgers of the college football world can establish themselves as the Boujie elite without needing NIL on top of that. Just saying - there has been no language tossed around to indicate that's on the horizon. Even if they do become employees, it's completely possible that this $20-$25M cap remains in place for a while (in which case NIL collectives would be needed by the blue bloods in order to maintain their financial advantages).
Fans are not team representatives and season ticket holders are not team representatives.
No, that is athletic department revenue that they will be allowed to share, NIL is not part of the house settlement.
Its not an actual "salary cap" though. Its a cap on what schools can pay NIL, which isnt salary. They arent employees so you cant prevent them from earning pay for play NIL outside of what the school pays them. And this was a negotiated settlement stemming from a lawsuit. Its going to take another lawsuit before they come employees.
That number comes from a settlement and not a rule made by the schools, conferences, or the NCAA. There is also going to be a couple look ins over the next 10 years to see if that number will have to go up which will because AD revenues are going up.
Its very vague. No one’s ever done it. The second someone does, the language will be made stronger. A rich fan paying part of a salary for his favorite player certainly can be viewed as a team representative even though he isnt employed by the team.
Wait, are you switching your position on this? Isn't this what I have been saying?
I've said that what the schools pay them - regardless of what you want to call it - will only be part of the equation and the collectives are going to pay them NIL in addition to that, which allows certain schools to reassert themselves as the big fish.
They will be sharing a portion of athletic department revenue and the revenue streams used to come up with the cap ticket sales, TV, media, merch, etc... but not donations.
According to your logic, NFL players would not be able to sign local endorsement deals if the owner of the company was a fan of the team.
pittdan77
Athletic Director
Real endorsement deals are fine. That shouldn't be hard to understand. Deals which are far above market value are the ones that would count towards the cap.
And who determines what market value is and what a real endorsement is so we know who the players are going to sue next?
@Sean Miller Fan why has there been no salary cap for the actual professionals, the coaches ?
Your concept is idiotic
Your concept is idiotic
Because the owners want to make as much profit as they can .
There will be zero CBA for players because they can’t be nationally unionized .
Because the schools and conferences would lose tax exempt status .
When they become employees, then there will be a union and a CBA. This isnt hard. Its pretty obvious that at some point, someone is going to sue and win a lawsuit which gives them employee status.
pittdan77
Athletic Director
It's more likely they fall under the local union that represents employees at the school. The reason pro leagues have a single union is because they all technically operate as franchises of the main league. That's partly why owners can't just sell to whoever they want and need league approval for almost everything they do. Colleges won't be operating that way.
Once they become employees, what law would prevent these players from joining some new national Football Players of America union?
pittdan77
Athletic Director
What entity would a national union be negotiating with? That's kind of an important piece. They could form an association to represent their needs and lobby, I guess.
