This is good! Except the part about ND, F'em! Quit giving them special treatment! 5PC Champs, Best Mid Major Champ and 2 wild cards, with no special provisions for Notre Dame!
If Oklahoma beats Oklahoma St, Notre Dame will be on the outside of the CFP
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This is good! Except the part about ND, F'em! Quit giving them special treatment! 5PC Champs, Best Mid Major Champ and 2 wild cards, with no special provisions for Notre Dame!
This^^^ With this, I could finally believe the sport is on the level and not just BS for the TV Networks.
Why? That's part of playing a fccking sport! You need to WIN GAMES ON THE FIELD TO ADVANCE! The conference championships would be the defacto 1st round of the tournament, I see no complaint being valid in that scenario. You need to win this game to be guaranteed to reach the final 8, you lose, you don't get there, case closed, where is the "valid complaint"?
Oh I'd definitely be all for a situation like you're mentioning that would force Notre Dame's hand into joining a conference.
I have a sneaking suspicion that like the Big 12 last year, ND will be out because of playing one less game. And I'm not so sure I disagree with that either.
Why care? They where guaranteed a spot, simply by winning the final game! I in fact want the 8 team system just to see that happen! I'd be rooting for it every year! How fun would it be if Pitt was 9-4 after beating an 11-0 Clemson team (on it's way to the Weedeater Bowl) in the ACC Championship game and on the way to the playoffs. Would you feel that Clemson was screwed?
I don't care if they join or not, just don't make special provisions for them if they don't.
That and they beat Texas 38-3.
Oklahoma lost to Texas, 24-17.
I'm not remotely a Notre Dame fan, and I despise the Big 12 needs to get a [stupid] championship game talk, but that alone makes it real hard for me to rank Oklahoma over them.
First, let me say that I am all in favor of any scenario in which Notre Dame joints the ACC as a full member. Pitt can only benefit from such an arrangement and would probably be among the ACC's largest beneficiaries.
Also, I would be all in favor of Navy joining as the league's 16th member. I have loved our trips to Annapolis and would love to make that semiannual occurrence.
If Penn State knocked on the door and asked to replace the Midshipmen, I would do that. However, if ND felt strongly about Navy joining them, then I am all for it.
Having said that, I just don't see this as being very likely. In fact, I still think Notre Dame is going to get in ahead of Oklahoma if it comes down to those two schools.
I don't care how many points they score in their games, anyone with any clue of what they're watching can tell that the B12 is down this year. All of their best teams have suffered a rash of injuries to key players.
People talk about how Notre Dame struggled with Boston College and that's right. The Irish looked terrible at Fenway Park.
However, Oklahoma did not look much better in holding on for dear life to beat a TCU team that has been more banged up than any in the country and faced the Sooners with their third string quarterback – who nearly pulled it off.
The week before that they played a Baylor team who was forced to play true freshman making his first ever start.
For me, it comes down to the fact that Oklahoma lost to the same Texas team that Notre Dame completely destroyed. If both teams are 11-1 and each has played an OK but not great schedule, I could not possibly ignore that fact.
I am no fan of the Fighting Irish and I i'm never sad to see them get snubbed. Also, I would love for them to join the ACC. However, I cannot fathom how anyone could put in Oklahoma ahead of them - presuming each wins out.
Also, I would be all in favor of Navy joining as the league's 16th member. I have loved our trips to Annapolis and would love to make that semiannual occurrence.
If Penn State knocked on the door and asked to replace the Midshipmen, I would do that. However, if ND felt strongly about Navy joining them, then I am all for it.
Having said that, I just don't see this as being very likely. In fact, I still think Notre Dame is going to get in ahead of Oklahoma if it comes down to those two schools.
I don't care how many points they score in their games, anyone with any clue of what they're watching can tell that the B12 is down this year. All of their best teams have suffered a rash of injuries to key players.
People talk about how Notre Dame struggled with Boston College and that's right. The Irish looked terrible at Fenway Park.
However, Oklahoma did not look much better in holding on for dear life to beat a TCU team that has been more banged up than any in the country and faced the Sooners with their third string quarterback – who nearly pulled it off.
The week before that they played a Baylor team who was forced to play true freshman making his first ever start.
For me, it comes down to the fact that Oklahoma lost to the same Texas team that Notre Dame completely destroyed. If both teams are 11-1 and each has played an OK but not great schedule, I could not possibly ignore that fact.
I am no fan of the Fighting Irish and I i'm never sad to see them get snubbed. Also, I would love for them to join the ACC. However, I cannot fathom how anyone could put in Oklahoma ahead of them - presuming each wins out.
Why do I care? I don't. Read what I said, "if you are a fan of an undefeated team...". I wouldn't think Clemson was screwed, but how fun would it be if Pitt were 11-0 and beaten by a 9-4 Clemson? I would think Pitt was screwed, because that is the team I am a fan of.
Regarding your prior post, who said anything about a "valid complaint"? Nobody who loses the conference championship has a valid complaint. But with 3 at-large berths, there are going to be plenty of teams with invalid complaints. As I said, I find that amusing.
I also think this might also allow some weird agreement with NBC and ESPN to team up and broadcast even more ACC games. It could be a win/win for both in college football and make for a really creative opportunity to get Texas. NBC broadcasts all ND and Texas home games and ESPN get all the away games.
It would be Texas' chance to become America's team by playing in the NFC East like the Cowboys of Dallas.
What people are forgetting is that while Boston College as a whole has not been good, their defense is very good. Most of the teams that have defeated them have done so in ugly fashion.
There's just no way that happens. There is nothing Navy brings to the ACC except some idealistic patriotism, and I think we're all jaded enough to understand that isn't important in college athletics today.
Of course that's true. Navy is not joining the ACC. Then again, neither is Notre Dame.
However, if Notre Dame ever were to decide to join the ACC, they would choose the 16th team.
If they wanted that team to be Navy or North Hills Middle School, the ACC would go for it just to land the Irish.
However, if Notre Dame ever were to decide to join the ACC, they would choose the 16th team.
If they wanted that team to be Navy or North Hills Middle School, the ACC would go for it just to land the Irish.
Personally, in that situation I'd be wondering why they let Clemson play two more games than us.
You could have a 32 team playoff and get bitching from the 33rd, 34th and 35th place teams. The object should always be to have teams in the playoffs that could be considered legitimate #1 teams. Personally I would like to see 6 with the top 2 earning byes. And Conference champs should never have automatic spots. The first time a 9-3 team knocks off an undefeated team from the other division all Hell would break loose.
In 2007, a 10-6 team beat a 16-0 team in the Super Bowl. They were awarded the trophy. Thems the breaks.
If a 9-3 team knocks off an undefeated team in the the other division of a conference... tough titties. The undefeated team lost it *ON THE FIELD*.
The object is to determine the champion on the court or field..... not in the ballot box.
The champion is the one that wins when the situation is "one and done". Villanova in 1985 had 10 losses and was an 8-seed. They were the champs. Nice season, Georgetown. Too f***ing bad you couldn't perform when it counted.
My point is if that 9-3 team gets an automatic berth in the playoffs there are probably 10 or more teams more deserving that should be in. Villanova earned their way into the playoffs That 10-6 team that won that Super Bowl earned their way into the playoffs. They didn't get in ahead of teams with better records. After the field is set anything goes.When the college season is over the 4 best teams by record should be in, regardless of conference affiliation.
You cant have the "4 best teams by record" because of the extreme imbalance of schedules. A 8-4 Alabama is more deserving then a 12-1 Houston or Temple.
And yes we have seen 8-8 division winners go to the playoffs in the NFL while 10-6 non division winners missed the wildcard, in the same season.
The best thing to do is to tell each league to determine its champion however it sees fit. That team gets in. With two wildcards, that undefeated team that loses to a 9-3 team in the CCG can still get in potentially. But if they dont, too bad.... it was in their own hands.
I still say look at all the teams as independents and come to a consensus of who the best 4 are. But we'll have to agree to disagree.
