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If Pearl and Howland can recruit 4/5 stars to their

You do care about the narrative, otherwise you wouldn't perpetuate myths.

Plenty of flaws for this program and with Dixon... No need to invent things.

I don't know if that is inventing anything considering we haven't really recruited like a program that was twice seeded #1 in three years going into the NCAA's. It is conjecture, but there a lot of empirical evidence to support that narrative.
 
Recruiting misses.

Do you think he had a personality transplant when stocking the team with enough talent to win a lot, including twice being a number 1 seed.

Same personality who closed on early commitments from Rowan and heron.
We should give him another extension ::giggle::
 
"star" recruiting is one thing, and I am not totally discounting that aspect of it (sheer talent).

However, the biggest thing is that he has lost his team identity, and started to recruit the same kinds of players as every other marginal P5 team.

The thing that made those Howland/early JD teams wasn't high star kids.

It was toughness ... Physical and mental.

As he has moved away from power plug big men to the same kinds of big men as everyone else has, the team has lost its edge. He also ceded the NE type tough, NYC players, and lost that kind of edge to the program.

Just have to hope that Kithkart and Maginault can start to reinfuse this program with the edge and toughness that used to set this program apart from the next tier teams past the blue bloods ...
 
The latest red flag in recruiting was losing both Sterling and TJ Gibbs recently.
Yea, when you can't even get a second look from the siblings of a player who played for the HC for 4 years, you know the HC isn't perceived positively.
 
Yea, when you can't even get a second look from the siblings of a player who played for the HC for 4 years, you know the HC isn't perceived positively.
Yeah, because no younger brother ever gets sick of living in his brothers shadow. Except maybe the Plumlees. The fact that a guy may want to make a name for himself can hardly be seen an indictment. Ashton has been asking to come back and maybe even join the staff. If he hated the coach, I doubt he would do so.
 
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Yeah, because no younger brother ever gets sick of living in his brothers shadow. Except maybe the Plumlees. The fact that a guy may want to make a name for himself can hardly be seen an indictment. Ashton has been asking to come back and maybe even join the staff. If he hated the coach, I doubt he would do so.
Perhaps....
 
I think people who are going to set their feet and start claiming the administration won't let this stand will be mightily disappointed for a while.

The one thing they have made abundantly clear is that football drives the bus. It's where Pitt needs to be most successful in order to fulfill the desire to be good across the board. And if football becomes successful, you can afford to have a downturn in hoops in the short run.

That is the wise, business-like way of handling this. Realize what your problems are, analyze what can and can't be fixed, and start with the most pressing issue that offers the highest return.

Since many of Pitt's problems are financial in nature, I doubt very much they're going to be in a hurry to eat much of Dixon's salary. It isn't a problem the current administration created, and they don't have the money to eat his contract.

I expect pressure to be put on Jamie to shuffle assistants, to schedule more appealing opponents at home, and in general for notice to be served that he needs to improve or consider the next attractive offer that comes his way.

But at this time, men's basketball is priority #2, and Pitt is handcuffed with a very unfriendly contract for the head coach. Which ironically makes it even more imperative that they fix football first.

Jamie will still be here in three years. After that, the clock might start ticking if the program is really in dumpster fire territory.
 
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"star" recruiting is one thing, and I am not totally discounting that aspect of it (sheer talent).

However, the biggest thing is that he has lost his team identity, and started to recruit the same kinds of players as every other marginal P5 team.

The thing that made those Howland/early JD teams wasn't high star kids.

It was toughness ... Physical and mental.

As he has moved away from power plug big men to the same kinds of big men as everyone else has, the team has lost its edge. He also ceded the NE type tough, NYC players, and lost that kind of edge to the program.

Just have to hope that Kithkart and Maginault can start to reinfuse this program with the edge and toughness that used to set this program apart from the next tier teams past the blue bloods ...
This is absolutely it. When Pitt was willing to settle for 3 star guys, they were able to pinpoint the exact type of player they were looking for. The reason is that for 3 star players, Pitt is a very attractive destination. Most 3 star guys tend to be targeted by P5 also rans, or by mid major powers. They tend to be put on hold by the big schools as they chase their 4 and 5 star main targets. Because of this, Pitt could pretty much get most of the 3 star guys they wanted, which let them build the team the way they wanted. These teams didn't have the most talent, but the pieces tended to fit together very well. When Pitt tries to dive into the pool of 4 and 5 star talent, they are a guppie, swimming along with the sharks. The competition for talent is fierce, and Pitt has to wait until the sharks eat before looking for whatever crumbs are left. The 4 star guys we get don't always fit with what we want to do, but we need 4 star players, or so the narrative goes. It's sort of a catch 22. Pitt can't win big without elite players, but we can't get elite players without being a big winner.
 
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Oh, I see. So being ethical and doing things the right way doesn't matter, and the end justifies the means. I can think of a few governments that perished by adhering to those principles of doing anything they can as long as you get what you want. Just win while turning into another 'Ville or 'Cuse. Oh yea, that works. o_O

Some of you just make me wonder if Pitt fans are this stupid and shortsighted. IT'S JUST SPORTS!! It's not that important that you need to compromise your ethics and principles just to win some games played by kids.
 
I would never want Pitt to resort to Syracuse's ways. Boeheim is the poster child for being a scumbag head coach in college basketball. Just a shameful program. One national championship, yeah real great.
 
I would never want Pitt to resort to Syracuse's ways. Boeheim is the poster child for being a scumbag head coach in college basketball. Just a shameful program. One national championship, yeah real great.
You know absolutely nothing about Boeheim and the violations they were accused of--you don't just go around calling people scumbags---what are you 12?
 
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Rowan is just an example of him NOT closing with a recruit. If you want to state Rowan is not that good of a recruit, fine. I don't think Rowan is that big of a loss. No matter what you and I think though, Dixon obviously disagreed. We would not have recruited him and got him to commit unless Dixon thought he was a good player. The fact he signed elsewhere does not change that fact.
Losing Rowan was a family financial decision made by the father. Heron going Auburn to play for Peral what do you think ? Pitt has made the decision that cheating to get recruits to win Fb or bb games isn't what their about.
 
I don't know if that is inventing anything considering we haven't really recruited like a program that was twice seeded #1 in three years going into the NCAA's. It is conjecture, but there a lot of empirical evidence to support that narrative.
But we didn't EVER recruit like a #1 seed before that. I'm not counting the Calipari-recruited classes that gave Evans a chance to prove his incompetence.
 
You know absolutely nothing about Boeheim and the violations they were accused of--you don't just go around calling people scumbags---what are you 12?
Look I hate Joe Paterno, but after Bernie Fine was accused of the same thing as Sandusky, Boeheim literally said "I'm not Joe Paterno. I know nothing." That was just so out of line and only a scumbag would resort to pointing to what someone else didn't do to try and prove his own innocence. But ok, it's fine he can do that but I can't call him a scumbag. Haha yeah you know a whole lot about him too.
 
Look I hate Joe Paterno, but after Bernie Fine was accused of the same thing as Sandusky, Boeheim literally said "I'm not Joe Paterno. I know nothing." That was just so out of line and only a scumbag would resort to pointing to what someone else didn't do to try and prove his own innocence. But ok, it's fine he can do that but I can't call him a scumbag. Haha yeah you know a whole lot about him too.

Honestly, people work for me, I have no idea what people do in their sex lives. I think it's totally OK if a guy who's a pedophile works for you for 40 years and you never find out about it-it's not your job to research their off work hours life. The difference with JoePa is there is evidence that he was told about it, but not finding out without being told is not a crime.
 
Honestly, people work for me, I have no idea what people do in their sex lives. I think it's totally OK if a guy who's a pedophile works for you for 40 years and you never find out about it-it's not your job to research their off work hours life. The difference with JoePa is there is evidence that he was told about it, but not finding out without being told is not a crime.
I agree. If Boeheim would have just said he didn't know about it and he felt terrible, that's fine. If somebody would just say that they think Paterno failed big time, that's fine too. But if one of the first things you say regarding yourself is "I'm not that guy", you are stooping to the lowest level of class possible. He was just trying to be funny and he wasn't at all. I'm not standing up for Paterno, I would never defend at all what he didn't do. I just thought Boeheim was totally out of line saying that.
 
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