Just like taking the T to the game. Just like parking at Station Square and taking the ferry to the game. Like parking "Dahntown" crossing the Roberto Clemente Bridge and going to the game. Like parking at Allegheny Hospital parking lot, and having no problems leaving the stadium areas. Walk a block or two to the game, it's good for your beer belly aching yinzing! Had to walk nearly a mile to attend the Pitt - UNC game when at Chapel Hill. AND NOBODY YINZED DOWN THERE ABOUT IT. How about GT? Luckily, we parked at hotel. And guess what? They had these hotties driving bicycle carriages that transported my belly right to the front gate! BUILD THE NEW PITT STADIUM ON THE OC LOT; THE PARKING IS ALREADY THERE.
"If we build it, they will come and find parking...."
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And what color is the sky in your world? Yes, people do all those things to get to Heinz field. And that is after most of the crowd has parked in the lots. Transfer that to Oakland with no lots to start with and.....
As I have never been to Pittsburgh(been a Steelers fan since 78 and always wanted to go), I don't know anything about the layout of the city.
Now that said, I have heard comments here, and wisecracks from the nitwits about some shady people occupying the area just off campus.
If that is the case, whatever it would take be it school/city/state, you need to get a nice chunk of land, and place that stadium without shouting distance of the school. Right on campus is best, but no further than 3 to 5 miles.
I realize it makes traffic tougher vs a smaller town like Ann Arbor, but you still want to incite the rah rah feelings from formers grads when they attend games, and can see their old buildings.
I would guess it helps when time comes not just to get people to sign up for season tickets, but donations as well.
It is 4.3 miles from the Cathedral of Learning to Heinz Field.
Shhhhhh...don't bring facts into this argument. Besides, unless you make a crayola drawing of logistics of that distance I will not believe it.
gonna get beat up here but I actually agree with the premise of the OP.. you look at some more famous venues, parking isn't exactly plentiful. Wrigley, old yankee stadium, fenway, these are venues that aren't surrounded by miles of concrete.. A big appeal to them to be honest.. Love the venues that have watering holes and eateries a stone throw away.. Went to dodger stadium and it's horrible. Nice stadium but it sits on a mountain surrounded by endless parking lots.. Zero character.. I find venues like that miserable.. Three Rivers back in the day, parking lots as far as the eye can see. Zero character..
That's my biggest knock on the old and miserable fans of the area. GOd forbid if there isn't 5 major arteries within a 1/4 mile from any potential venue, with parking lots within 100'.. I think the future of live sporting events it to sell the game day atmosphere, not just the game.. Build theme attractions near venues, bars (I am a drunk so bars are important), restaurants, things for kids to do, things for everyone. Get the fans there all day, before and after. This idea of going just for the game and getting in your car to be home 10 minutes later is archaic and pathetic and appealing to old heads.. Now how this relates to Pitt and Oakland, well im not that smart..
OK, that's my first and last post supporting Z. Someone I find amusing but a tad insane..
That's my biggest knock on the old and miserable fans of the area. GOd forbid if there isn't 5 major arteries within a 1/4 mile from any potential venue, with parking lots within 100'.. I think the future of live sporting events it to sell the game day atmosphere, not just the game.. Build theme attractions near venues, bars (I am a drunk so bars are important), restaurants, things for kids to do, things for everyone. Get the fans there all day, before and after. This idea of going just for the game and getting in your car to be home 10 minutes later is archaic and pathetic and appealing to old heads.. Now how this relates to Pitt and Oakland, well im not that smart..
OK, that's my first and last post supporting Z. Someone I find amusing but a tad insane..
That's one's easy. Just tunnel under the stadium for a parking lot and hope Bane doesn't implode the playing surface.
good point pittdan, the worry of a 50 yard line script is null and void when your playing surface looks like this.
Had to laugh at the UNLV being 7 miles from campus. Maybe it's true but the stadium is an absolute dump out in the middle of nowhere and probably takes about 35-45 minutes to get there.
If the Raiders do in fact move to Vegas it has already been said they would share the new stadium with UNLV, and attendance would double at least, and I'm sure donations would come flowing in immediately.
For now though that has to be the farthest and loneliest 7 miles away you can get.
Just a though, but what about having retail shops located all around the bottom of the stadium. Have the stadium build on top of the shops. Cost would be huge but the
shop could sign long term leases to decrease the cost of the building. Unlike pro stadiums that only last 20/30 years, the college stadium would have a lot longer life span.
shop could sign long term leases to decrease the cost of the building. Unlike pro stadiums that only last 20/30 years, the college stadium would have a lot longer life span.
It's not the distance--it is the travel time due to roads, terrain and traffic. If it were a straight interstate shot it would be drivable in 5 minutes. But the reality is you have to follow an indirect route that is only partly highway, can be congested and includes stop lights, stop signs, etc.. That turns it into more typically a 20-30 minute (or longer) trek.
IMHO, the ideal location would be along the north shore of the Mon with dedicated parking and new double wide exit ramps from the Parkway--former (J&L ?) mill site perhaps.
IMHO, the ideal location would be along the north shore of the Mon with dedicated parking and new double wide exit ramps from the Parkway--former (J&L ?) mill site perhaps.
[QUOTE="Swervin27, post: I think the i thimk the future of live sporting events it to sell the game day atmosphere, not just the game.. Build theme attractions near venues, bars (I am a drunk so bars are important), restaurants, things for kids to do, things for everyone. Get the fans there all day, before and after. This idea of going just for the game and getting in your car to be home 10 minutes later is archaic and pathetic and appealing to old heads..
OK, that's my first and last post supporting Z. Someone I find amusing but a tad insane..[/QUOTE]
Uhhh....
The casino......the science center for kids........anchor restaurants like the Bettis and rivertown..... auxiliary restaurants and bars by PNC park....riverboats and a subway to move fans into town...
The only ingredient missing is a football program that can avoid throwing up all over itself.
Start stacking wins on the field and this new stadium nonsense fades away.
OK, that's my first and last post supporting Z. Someone I find amusing but a tad insane..[/QUOTE]
Uhhh....
The casino......the science center for kids........anchor restaurants like the Bettis and rivertown..... auxiliary restaurants and bars by PNC park....riverboats and a subway to move fans into town...
The only ingredient missing is a football program that can avoid throwing up all over itself.
Start stacking wins on the field and this new stadium nonsense fades away.
Uhhh....
The casino......the science center for kids........anchor restaurants like the Bettis and rivertown..... auxiliary restaurants and bars by PNC park....riverboats and a subway to move fans into town...
The only ingredient missing is a football program that can avoid throwing up all over itself.
Start stacking wins on the field and this new stadium nonsense fades away.[/QUOTE]
Perfectly stated.
Souf
My point merely being the location of those eateries smack dab next to HF...but i hear you and I agree
My point merely being the location of those eateries smack dab next to HF...but i hear you and I agree
I agree with you. I was speaking vaguely, about sporting venues in today's climate.. HF and north shore area has become somewhat of a destination, on game days at least. Almost too enticing for pitt fans because if you go down there on game day, you see a ton of pitt fans walking around, DURING the game..
Just think how well a 40 or 50 k stadium, with ample room to expand, sitting smacl dab on those bad areas right next to the college would go down.
You eliminate the slums with the stadium, and making a big parking lot out of the rest.
I saw that list. It had Michigan, and a ton of other schools like at under 1 mile. That gets more kids to attend as they can walk from school, and you get the nostalgia thing going on for older grads when they come back to campus to attend a game.
As you said, Heinz is under 5 miles, and although technically it is close enough, it is a pro stadium. I have never been to Ford Field, but I was at the Silverdome a number of times. Much prefer the Big House.
To each their own I suppose. I hope you guys do get your own stadium. Hell, I would tear down the Basketball arena if need be. Then again, if hoops were never played again, I wouldn't lose sleep.
Like nearly every on-campus stadium in the country, Pitt should offer remote parking lots and shuttles. People park 10 miles away for games at Penn State and other places like that that dont have the infrastructure to handle the traffic.
Traffic and parking are non-issues. Money and will ARE the issus.
Pitt already buses over 5K-10K students. No need for that with an on-campus stadium. Contract with the Port Authority to use their Park and Ride Lots and use the buses that transported students to the North Side to transport nonstudent fans from the burbs to Oakland. Problem solved.
Traffic and parking are non-issues. Money and will ARE the issus.
Pitt already buses over 5K-10K students. No need for that with an on-campus stadium. Contract with the Port Authority to use their Park and Ride Lots and use the buses that transported students to the North Side to transport nonstudent fans from the burbs to Oakland. Problem solved.
Don't think and the world is dreary. Look in the sky, there's a bird waiting for you.
Just because you do not have any background in transportation planning nor city planning, you still have a right to an opinion. But you are so ill-informed and lack knowledgeable concerning the 10,000 to 15,000 parking spaces located within 5 blocks from the OC Lot and the fact that for 6 games a year that planning for egress and ingress will be one of the most simple tasks for our University to plan accordingly for use. Don't think and the world is dreary. Look in the sky, there's a bird waiting for you.
You gotta see the invisible Swervin, to do the impossible! I'm just a great deal more educated, intelligent and accomplished than most people on this board. I'm look well beyond these ham and eggers most of the time.
Please stop pontificating about city planning or commercial development . You aren't a DeBartolo nor a city planner. Wait for the professionals at Populous to create the Pitt Athletic Facilities Master Plan. The problem is you will not understand most of it.
Bus 5k-10k students or bus 25k-30k customers who pay much more for their tickets and donate money to the program? Seems like an easy decision to make, doesn't it?
Hint: the current course of action is the better decision of the two.
Pitt will not bus 25K to 30K. At best, 10K fans probably take Pitt up on the offer. So, if we sell 50K tickets and assume that 10K of those are Pitt fans, that means only 30K fans will be parking. Since most people come to games in groups of 2, 3, 4, etc, only 10K-15K spaces will be needed.
good post SMF, i agree with the fanbase.. Heinz is easy, a selling point to the "matlockers' as you say.. Whatever gets them home the quickest is the best option.
If someone wrote Pitt a check for several hundred million, Pitt would start acquiring the land and developing plans tomorrow so I hate when people cite traffic and parking. Thats simply an inconvenience, but necessary evil that most college teams deal with. Its a money thing. Money is the reason we sont dont have a stadium.
...and it's just what you had with Pitt Stadium.
Relax ALL THE RULES! Go back to 1970s-80s rules and reality, like when you could park on the street in Oakland and tailgate next to your car.
hearing some of the oldheads on this board complain about Oakland and traffic, it's amazing to think that they actually had football in Oakland before.. The terrible ordeal pitt fans must have had to endure before Heinz field, it's amazing they lived to tell us about it..
Nor are you, punchy.
And frankly, neither is your pal the associate professor at a community college.
Just wait...in twenty years you will be able to teleport from your home right to your seats at the stadium.......that is when Pitt needs to get the ball rolling for a New Pitt Stadium.......
SMF - it is naive to think that if Pitt had the $$, boom! this would happen. One of my close friends spouse used to be the CEO of GE's real estate arm. We talked about this very scenario and he actually laughed - pointing to the politics that would hold this up. The City of Pittsburgh has NEVER "played nice" with Pitt. Suddenly they are going to agree to wide scale Oakland development without infrastructure change? And some of this land is owned by the City. They are just going to roll over and sell it? I'm sure Paco could address this in more detail, but it took YEARS for Pitt to acquire the land for the Athletic Fields behind Cost. YEARS. And that is just a fraction of the space we're looking at.
And several hundred million would just cover the construction, not land acquisition. Off the top of my head, I'd put a price tag of over $600-700 Million and at least 10 years (and that's only IF Pitt could jump all the political hurdles) for all of this.
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