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We can win a lot of games. We played much tougher and smarter against a really good team. We still have things to clean up and get better with, but this was a step in the right direction.

I feel much better than I did after Tuesday.

Time to beat WVU.
 
We can win a lot of games. We played much tougher and smarter against a really good team. We still have things to clean up and get better with, but this was a step in the right direction.

I feel much better than I did after Tuesday.

Time to beat WVU.

Carrington is going to be better but we have considerable center problems.

Guillermo has somewhat of an excuse missing a week of practice with the flu. Fede is just non existent.
 
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Carrington is going to be better but we have considerable center problems.

Guillermo has somewhat of an excuse missing a week of practice with the flu. Fede is just non existent.
Are they going to get killed by another ex-Syracuse guy Wednesday (Edwards)?
 
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They are close but they need more from Austin And their Bigs. Bub and Lowe have to improve as well. I think it’s possible they can be a pretty good team by the end of the year but the question is how quickly can they improve to make the tourney
 
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We can win a lot of games. We played much tougher and smarter against a really good team. We still have things to clean up and get better with, but this was a step in the right direction.

I feel much better than I did after Tuesday.

Time to beat WVU.

John, I hope you're right. Our defensive and rebounding efforts today were anemic. And on offense, we have no front court and can't just rely on Hinson and Leggett to bail us out. Others have to contribute. Carrington needs to improve on both ends of the floor and we have to find a front court that can be a presence under the hoop.

That being said, Clemson is a very good team and they know how to do all facets of the game well. And they are well-coached. Maybe someday, we'll have that combination again.
 
They are close but they need more from Austin And their Bigs. Bub and Lowe have to improve as well. I think it’s possible they can be a pretty good team by the end of the year but the question is how quickly can they improve to make the tourney
I am not sure we do make the tourney, but for the first time since the Florida game I think this team is starting to understand how hard you have to play to win.

We worked hard today, it is not always going to be perfect. We had a bunch of deflections and good defensive plays where the ball still bounced to them. But if this was most of our last bunch of teams against Clemson, when we were down by 14, we would have lost by 20 plus.

Bub was better. He didn’t settle like he was doing. He penetrated much better, went to the rim better and had some nice passes. He is young, he is not going to be perfect, but this was his best game against a P5 team.

Fede was better too. He looked better on offense and he battled better on D. Hall still scored his points, but he got a few nice bounces and he is a tough cover for anyone.

Blake was really good.

Zack had his moments, but we need to see more. He plays good defense and rebounds well enough, but we still need more on O.

Ish rebounded well from a bad game. He is a really nice player and will continue to give 100%.

The bench was bad other than Will who did a few nice things on the defensive end.
 
We can win a lot of games. We played much tougher and smarter against a really good team. We still have things to clean up and get better with, but this was a step in the right direction.

I feel much better than I did after Tuesday.

Time to beat WVU.
Maybe we ought to think about not giving up so many wide open shots. Just a thought.
 
There were some things ok. They shot ok and rebounded ok. But the twins have shown zero improvement, maybe even worse so far.Fede hasn’t been same since he got hurt last year. Jeffries no improvement really. And Lowe not quite ready. They’re not gonna get any schematic changes. Right now I guess at least we have last year’s improvement as hope.
 
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Here are Carrington's ORTG offensive power ratings against Power 6 teams this year in games we are 1-3.

97, 94, 86, 79

That is going to have to come up significantly if we are going to push for a tournament slot.


Here are Fede's DR rebound rates against the same 4 power 6 teams that we are 1-3 against

13, 4, 5, 4

There is absolutely nothing positive to take away from that. You have to try to not rebound to be that bad at it 4 games in a row. We are not making a tournament push unless this does a beyond 180 uturn as this is well below bottom of the barrel level rebounding from a center.


Here are the ORTG ratings and DR rebound rates for Guillermo in these 4 games against power 6 teams this year.

ORTG- 78, 35, 204, 59

DR rebound rate- 19. 25, 7, 21

Now this guy had a bad lingering flu, but at least he rebounded the ball on the defensive end. He needs to be far better on offense.



Here are the ORTG's for Jaland Lowe against Power 6 teams this year. This is non existent level offense where you are strictly hurting the team with either missed shots or turnovers.

51, 47, 88, 0




Now, here is Zach Austin who needs to become more selfish with the basketball. Last 4 ORTG against Power 6 teams this year.

115, 162, 111, 128



To make a tournament push, we are going to need multiple guys to play significantly better besides Hinson, Leggett, and Austin against Power 6 competition. On offense, defense, and rebounding.

We just aren't statistically close right now looking at this and Hinson gave us All American level performances the last 2 games.
 
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I said it after last game, not enough Jimmy’s and Joe’s. Too many guys who can’t score. They’ll win some games because Hinson will will them to. But it’s a lost season where we could’ve built on last year
 
We can win a lot of games. We played much tougher and smarter against a really good team. We still have things to clean up and get better with, but this was a step in the right direction.

I feel much better than I did after Tuesday.

Time to beat WVU.
Pitt beat up on cupcakes(barely beat a now 2-7 FGCU team) and as soon as they played real P5 teams they were exposed. And continue to be exposed. This team is an ACC bottom tier team, they won't win more than 6 games in the conference. If that. Coaching sucks, no inside game whatsoever, our team is a couple of streaky jump shooters with an occasional drive to the hoop mixed in. Defense has been bad too.

Pitt will finish near the bottom of the ACC yet again and hopefully the Jeff Capel era will be mercifully over.
 
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I said it after last game, not enough Jimmy’s and Joe’s. Too many guys who can’t score. They’ll win some games because Hinson will will them to. But it’s a lost season where we could’ve built on last year
In fairness, losing Dior and Kante hurt. Safe to assume we'd be in a better place with both of them.
 
Pitt beat up on cupcakes(barely beat a now 2-7 FGCU team) and as soon as they played real P5 teams they were exposed. And continue to be exposed. This team is an ACC bottom tier team, they won't win more than 6 games in the conference. If that. Coaching sucks, no inside game whatsoever, our team is a couple of streaky jump shooters with an occasional drive to the hoop mixed in. Defense has been bad too.

Pitt will finish near the bottom of the ACC yet again and hopefully the Jeff Capel era will be mercifully over.
We've been beaten soundly by all of the better competition. Hard to see any positives when the games haven't been that close.
 
We can win a lot of games. We played much tougher and smarter against a really good team. We still have things to clean up and get better with, but this was a step in the right direction.

I feel much better than I did after Tuesday.

Time to beat WVU.

I agree and disagree.

1. We cant defend at all. Fede has regressed on both ends so badly, its almost like he's shaving points

2. I still think we are NCAAT bubble talented but there's just not enough left on our schedule to make it. I think this is like an 11-9/10-10 team and that gets you in in a Power 3 league not in the ACC.

3. We are going to win games and look like a "good team" a lot this season. So I guess I agree with you there. But for me, its not enough because they blew their chance ay the NCAAT these last 4 games.
 
We've been beaten soundly by all of the better competition. Hard to see any positives when the games haven't been that close.
2 on the home court & one on neutral. That's a little concerning.

Not to make excuses, but an experienced team like Clemson was a bit of a rough draw for a conference opener, imo.
 
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In fairness, losing Dior and Kante hurt. Safe to assume we'd be in a better place with both of them.
Maybe. We have no idea. Neither had ever played a game of college basketball and the fact not one team would take a risk on Dior when he couldn’t get play at Pitt makes me think he regressed majorly.

The lack of any sort of development is the problem. Guys like Jeffress, Fede, the twins to a lesser extent shouldn’t be all complete zeros at this point.
 
Maybe. We have no idea. Neither had ever played a game of college basketball and the fact not one team would take a risk on Dior when he couldn’t get play at Pitt makes me think he regressed majorly.

The lack of any sort of development is the problem. Guys like Jeffress, Fede, the twins to a lesser extent shouldn’t be all complete zeros at this point.
I think that the larger problem right now is the bench. Today, Carrington did not play well and the bench gave them nothing. They are just not getting much from Jeffress, the twins or Lowe at this second. It is hard to win without some bench help.

People complain about Fede and Austin, but those guys play hard D and in a game like today, they scored the hustle points that you would want them to score. They also made things very hard on Clemson defensively though Hall had all of the answers. Nonetheless, they play like men and are largely not exposed on D (instead, they protect other guys). They just are role players that play around other guys that score consistently.

Capel has lost Jorge in the rotation for Jeffress, which I am not sure is the right thing. GDG is in and out but at least he competes. And, Lowe has taken care of the ball but not done much else. They need more improvement from the bench, at least a guy, if not 2. All of them do not need to be factors, but they need like 5 PPG against real competition from at least 2 of those guys.
 
People complain about Fede and Austin, but those guys play hard D and in a game like today, they scored the hustle points that you would want them to score. They also made things very hard on Clemson defensively though Hall had all of the answers.


Man, if you think that Federiko played well defensively on a day that the guy he spent most of the game guarding went for 22 and 11 on 9-14 from the field, well, what would Hall's numbers looked like if Federiko played poorly on defense?

Not to mention that Federiko had one defensive rebound all game. And that was on a missed foul shot.

The only question today was if he was worse on the offensive end or the defensive end. Because he wasn't good on either. Or even close to good.
 
Man, if you think that Federiko played well defensively on a day that the guy he spent most of the game guarding went for 22 and 11 on 9-14 from the field, well, what would Hall's numbers looked like if Federiko played poorly on defense?

Not to mention that Federiko had one defensive rebound all game. And that was on a missed foul shot.

The only question today was if he was worse on the offensive end or the defensive end. Because he wasn't good on either. Or even close to good.

Today was probably the worst game Fede ever played. Something is wrong with him. Does he have some injury?
 
Man, if you think that Federiko played well defensively on a day that the guy he spent most of the game guarding went for 22 and 11 on 9-14 from the field, well, what would Hall's numbers looked like if Federiko played poorly on defense?

Not to mention that Federiko had one defensive rebound all game. And that was on a missed foul shot.

The only question today was if he was worse on the offensive end or the defensive end. Because he wasn't good on either. Or even close to good.
I do not think that all of those points were on Fede, but I am sure that a lot of them were, without question.

Fede is a guy that when he is on the floor on D, regardless of how his opponent plays, he will make the guy work for hard shots (Austin is notably the same). I saw Hall make a lot of fadeaways and some 3s today. He did not look terribly open for any of them. Pretty much everything was contested. Fede also continually helps his teammates on basically every possession. He makes the game defensively easier for everyone on the team.

Sometimes you have to tip your cap to your opponent. Blake Hinson made a ton of difficult shots today. I would not say that Clemson played him bad, I would say that a really good offensive player made some really hard shots. Blake tends to do such things, which is why he is a really good basketball player. I would say the same about Hall today and in general. He probably is the present leader for ACC PoY. He is pretty good too.

He certainly needs to rebound better. He did not get his hands around enough boards today. He also was caught on the perimeter contesting for a lot of the bad rotations when he maybe should have been headed towards the glass. I find it hard to criticize guys for trying to contest when guards/wings lose their man or if the ball just rotates very fast. That said, one of Fede's worst areas is that he over-contests on a regular basis and plays himself out of plays. He does it both near the hoop and on the perimeter.

Offensively, he did what he does. Putbacks, lobs and hustle points. Just not sure why people expect more from him when that is what he is. He will score more as the guards get better (more lobs and cuts), like he did last year when the guards played better.

Fede was fine today. Not good, not bad, just fine. He certainly can play a lot better and they need more from him. That said, Joe Girard was very open for most of his shots today, not PJ Hall. I would look more in that direction for bad defense.
 
Offensively, he did what he does. Putbacks, lobs and hustle points.


He scored three baskets today. Two of them were when someone else drove to the basket and his man left him to cover the driver and we just threw the ball up to the basket and he caught it and dunked it. His third basket was a similar play, except the pass either wasn't the greatest or he didn't catch it well (or maybe both, it was on the opposite side of the court from us) and he came down with the ball first before making the layup. And his only other shot attempt was another lob pass at the rim that he missed the dunk on.

He literally did not score on one putback or hustle play all game.

He took four foul shots and missed them all. He had two offensive rebounds in 30 minutes.

It might be possible for him to play worse on offense, but certainly not by much.

And his man torched him on the other end of the court. And he didn't get any defensive rebounds, except one on a missed foul shot.

He needs to play better than he did today on both ends of the court. A lot better. If he doesn't, he shouldn't be playing anywhere close to 30 minutes like he did today.
 
Fede was fine today. Not good, not bad, just fine. He certainly can play a lot better and they need more from him. That said, Joe Girard was very open for most of his shots today, not PJ Hall. I would look more in that direction for bad defense.

On a scale of 1-10, Fede was a 1. Hall and Schieffelin had 28 rebounds. Not all on Fede of course but that cant happen. Fede is playing as poorly as you can play.

Fede has somehow transformed himself into a Dixon 2 Big. Dante Taylor, Aron Nwanko, Joseph Uchebo, Derrick Randall, etx. That's the level he's playing at.
 
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Man, if you think that Federiko played well defensively on a day that the guy he spent most of the game guarding went for 22 and 11 on 9-14 from the field, well, what would Hall's numbers looked like if Federiko played poorly on defense?

Not to mention that Federiko had one defensive rebound all game. And that was on a missed foul shot.

The only question today was if he was worse on the offensive end or the defensive end. Because he wasn't good on either. Or even close to good.
Also, FWIW, Fede is the heir to the line including guys like Jaron Brown, Antonio Graves, Brad Wanamaker, Jamel Artis, James Robinson, Nasir Robinson, etc ... guys that Pitt fans have odd bones to pick with. He just plays very hard and usually well within the concept of what the team needs him to be. That is never going to be him scoring 15 PPG or grabbing 10 RPG consistently. He is not that guy. He is the guy that helps voraciously on D, alters a lot of shots, plays with tough effort man to man, flies down the court to wear out opposing bigs and does other things concerning the role that they ask him to play.

I do not think it is wrong to ask him to be ready more on offense to convert near the hoop or to improve his FT shooting (which you think he would have done in a summer mostly around his national team). He is not perfect and he certainly plays lesser games. But, he is a guy that stats are never truly going to define because his main work is within the team concept (and he is not a particularly talented offensive player).

They did not get better last year until he was inserted into the starting lineup. That says a lot about who he is and what he does (and also about what Hugley was back then too).

The larger issue this year is that they are not hitting shots like they were last year. So, the game he plays gets criticized more because it is not a scoring game. Also, because they are not guard centric in the same way, he does not have the easy runs at the rim like he did. Or the space to get easier boards.
 
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He scored three baskets today. Two of them were when someone else drove to the basket and his man left him to cover the driver and we just threw the ball up to the basket and he caught it and dunked it. His third basket was a similar play, except the pass either wasn't the greatest or he didn't catch it well (or maybe both, it was on the opposite side of the court from us) and he came down with the ball first before making the layup. And his only other shot attempt was another lob pass at the rim that he missed the dunk on.

He literally did not score on one putback or hustle play all game.

He took four foul shots and missed them all. He had two offensive rebounds in 30 minutes.

It might be possible for him to play worse on offense, but certainly not by much.

And his man torched him on the other end of the court. And he didn't get any defensive rebounds, except one on a missed foul shot.

He needs to play better than he did today on both ends of the court. A lot better. If he doesn't, he shouldn't be playing anywhere close to 30 minutes like he did today.
In other words, he scored on lobs and layups (which are usually hustle points by the way)? So, he scored how he normally scores?

He could easily have played worse on O, he could have missed the shots he made. Six points are a lot better than zero. Guillermo scored zero. So did Jeffress. So did Lowe.

And on D, as noted, really good players are going to get you from time to time. It is an inevitable truth of basketball. You can play all the great D in the world, be in the right place, contest hard, etc. Really good offense beats really good defense. It just is what it is. Hall had to work all day, he just made plays.
 
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Also, FWIW, Fede is the heir to the line including guys like Jaron Brown, Antonio Graves, Brad Wanamaker, Jamel Artis, James Robinson, Nasir Robinson, etc ... guys that Pitt fans have odd bones to pick with.


Federiko isn't anywhere near as good as any of those other players. I don't know who you think the worst of that group is, but he is much worse than the worst of them.

He looked better on offense last year because other teams basically ignored him on that end of the court. He if beat you rather than Burton or Hinson or the like, well, you can live with that. This year the team isn't as good, so his deficiencies are getting exposed in ways that they did not last year.

That doesn't mean that he wasn't deficient offensively last year, just that the talent around him covered for him.

And the improvement last year was all about Hugley leaving, not because Federiko got more run after he did.

Addition by subtraction.
 
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In other words, he scored on lobs and layups (which are usually hustle points by the way)? So, he scored how he normally scores?


None of his points today were hustle points. Literally, none of them. He got them because he was standing in the right place at the right time. Hustle had nothing to do with it. You also mentioned putbacks, and he did not have any of them today either.

So you called out three types of plays that he scored on, and he didn't score on two of them. And the kind that he did was the kind where he didn't actually have to do anything.

Well, OK, that's not entirely fair. He did have to make the dunks on the lobs. As we also saw today, that isn't necessarily a given.
 
None of his points today were hustle points. Literally, none of them. He got them because he was standing in the right place at the right time. Hustle had nothing to do with it. You also mentioned putbacks, and he did not have any of them today either.

So you called out three types of plays that he scored on, and he didn't score on two of them. And the kind that he did was the kind where he didn't actually have to do anything.

Well, OK, that's not entirely fair. He did have to make the dunks on the lobs. As we also saw today, that isn't necessarily a given.
Like I said, he scores on lobs, putbacks and hustle points. His first two buckets today were on lobs. The first one he converted. The second one, Carrington threw low, he gathered it and went up. FWIW, his third bucket, he actually just made a really good offensive play similar to the one he made late but did not convert the FTs on.

I know this may be hard to believe, but when someone throws you a lob and the defender undercuts you (like Hall did to him today), it is a really hard play to make for even guys like LeBron James or Giannis, let alone standard college big men. I think he had plenty good reason to miss on the lob on that play.

I tend to think that we are largely in the same place that the offensive structure last year really helped him. He functions very well in an offense that does not need the C to score and where guard play allows him to make easy finishes.

But, we are worlds apart defensively. He is the key to everything that they do on defense, which is why he plays so much. Capel has said as much previously. His value on defense is extremely high, though he like every other good/great defender will see his mark score a lot from time to time.
 
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Like I said, he scores on lobs, putbacks and hustle points. His first two buckets today were on lobs. The first one he converted. The second one, Carrington threw low, he gathered it and went up. FWIW, his third bucket, he actually just made a really good offensive play similar to the one he made late but did not convert the FTs on.

I know this may be hard to believe, but when someone throws you a lob and the defender undercuts you (like Hall did to him today), it is a really hard play to make for even guys like LeBron James or Giannis, let alone standard college big men. I think he had plenty good reason to miss on the lob on that play.

I tend to think that we are largely in the same place that the offensive structure last year really helped him. He functions very well in an offense that does not need the C to score and where guard play allows him to make easy finishes.

But, we are worlds apart defensively. He is the key to everything that they do on defense, which is why he plays so much. Capel has said as much previously. His value on defense is extremely high, though he like every other good/great defender will see his mark score a lot from time to time.

At the 920 mark of the Pitt press conference , a reporter asked the question how do we get better on defense this season?

And Jeff Capel answered this way, in order.

1) We need to be much better defensive rebounding (Fede and Hinson)

2) Our post defense needs to be much better (Fede and G)

3) We have to guard the basketball better (as a team)

4) Our transition defense needs to be much better (as a team)


Now Ive literally been harping on these points, especially 1, 2, and 4, since the Florida game. These are Capel's words in the press conference, but they literally match what ive been saying here.

I think what's more amazing in this is, is that a reporter asked Capel at the 710 mark of this same press conference if he plans to start sitting Fede on the bench a lot more moving forward, and Capel responded with "yea, everything is under consideration right now". There is no way Capel would make that comment if Fede was a "stud difference maker" on defense or anywhere for that matter on the floor.

 
Pitt beat up on cupcakes(barely beat a now 2-7 FGCU team) and as soon as they played real P5 teams they were exposed. And continue to be exposed. This team is an ACC bottom tier team, they won't win more than 6 games in the conference. If that. Coaching sucks, no inside game whatsoever, our team is a couple of streaky jump shooters with an occasional drive to the hoop mixed in. Defense has been bad too.

Pitt will finish near the bottom of the ACC yet again and hopefully the Jeff Capel era will be mercifully over.
Plz relax, your mind changes like the wind. Yeah fire a coach that has brought in a good recruiting class this year is looking good for the next one 2. Let it play out. H2P
 
None of his points today were hustle points. Literally, none of them. He got them because he was standing in the right place at the right time. Hustle had nothing to do with it. You also mentioned putbacks, and he did not have any of them today either.

So you called out three types of plays that he scored on, and he didn't score on two of them. And the kind that he did was the kind where he didn't actually have to do anything.

Well, OK, that's not entirely fair. He did have to make the dunks on the lobs. As we also saw today, that isn't necessarily a given.
Regardless of this debate about Fede, I think he was better than GDG, and the best we have at the five. Although in certain situations, I could see going small with Zack and Blake at the 5-4. But today wasn’t one of those times in my opinion.
 
At the 920 mark of the Pitt press conference , a reporter asked the question how do we get better on defense this season?

And Jeff Capel answered this way, in order.

1) We need to be much better defensive rebounding (Fede and Hinson)

2) Our post defense needs to be much better (Fede and G)

3) We have to guard the basketball better (as a team)

4) Our transition defense needs to be much better (as a team)


Now Ive literally been harping on these points, especially 1, 2, and 4, since the Florida game. These are Capel's words in the press conference, but they literally match what ive been saying here.

I think what's more amazing in this is, is that a reporter asked Capel at the 710 mark of this same press conference if he plans to start sitting Fede on the bench a lot more moving forward, and Capel responded with "yea, everything is under consideration right now". There is no way Capel would make that comment if Fede was a "stud difference maker" on defense or anywhere for that matter on the floor.


Something is wrong with Fede. Maybe his girlfriend broke up with him or something. He's not right. He looks much more like the Dixon 2 lottery ticket big we used to get than what he was last year.
 
Regardless of this debate about Fede, I think he was better than GDG, and the best we have at the five. Although in certain situations, I could see going small with Zack and Blake at the 5-4. But today wasn’t one of those times in my opinion.

You are aware Guillermo missed a week of practice with the flu, right? I mentioned this in another thread. This impacted him in at least 3 of the last 4 games, I can't speak for today.
 
You are aware Guillermo missed a week of practice with the flu, right? I mentioned this in another thread. This impacted him in at least 3 of the last 4 games, I can't speak for today.

Yes you mentioned this before, but I find it very difficult to believe this had an impact on GDG's play today. And I do not believe he is Fede's equal defensively.
 
On a scale of 1-10, Fede was a 1. Hall and Schieffelin had 28 rebounds. Not all on Fede of course but that cant happen. Fede is playing as poorly as you can play.

Fede has somehow transformed himself into a Dixon 2 Big. Dante Taylor, Aron Nwanko, Joseph Uchebo, Derrick Randall, etx. That's the level he's playing at.
Not only that but the last 2 games he completely ruined all late-game momentum with 2 missed foul shots.
 
Not only that but the last 2 games he completely ruined all late-game momentum with 2 missed foul shots.

That is factored into his "1" performance and my assessment of his play this season. He shot 65% from the line last year. Not bad for a big. He is shooting 46% this year. He needs to see a sports psychiatrist or something. Maybe he shouldn't have spent the summer in Finland.
 
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