You prove what a true moron you are on a daily basis. Federal Employee Unions DO NOT negotiate their pay, pay raises, or salaries. They don't negotiate their benefit packages, vacation or sick pay. They are banned by law from doing this. Their wages, salaries, benefits are set and voted on by Congress in the annual budget package.
Do federal and state IT workers choose to work for less than their private sector counterparts because they want to perform a public service?
No, they just aren't too keen on moving to India to chase the IT jobs outsourced by corporate America!
Obviously, you're ignoring the BENEFITS, where the huge disparity occurs. as for McDonald's.....they actually work, there. I had a summer job with the Feds....laziest humans I have ever seen. Did nothing....literally. Toss out the SEIU thugs & the others.
Another moronic post. How much do you think Federal Workers pay for their health insurance? Hint: It isn't free! In fact, they pay much more than a lot of private sector workers, except those of course who work for those cheap bustards who don't offer health insurance!
Since that wasn't the comparison made in the post to which I replied, guess what you just did.
Did you not read the OP? It explicitly stated that benefits widened the gap.
Federal unions can negotiate working conditions and work rules. A lot of federal workers don't even belong to unions, something around 50%. This entire thread is simply a bunch of right wing bull$hit.
Did you not read the source of the OP? The Cato Institute, totally unbiased, right? Here's a more even handed look from the CBO that finds much less disparity.
Some do, yes. Actually there is very limited benefit to federal union members. Unions must represent non members in personnel actions as well, although perhaps not as vigorously as members. Plus, I don't think the dues they pay are much compared to some private sector unions.
Just curious, but...why aren't you including the federal legislature as being overpaid and under-productive, too? Many of them are proud GOP members; are they ever willing to accept a pay cut? Or even a freeze? Do they ever come back early from a break? Their benefits package is amazing - even cheap haircuts, too!
To coerce the gov't to pay them more than they're worth. So far, it's worked well for these slugs.
Wow....reading failure. Check out the benefit disparity....that's part of their pay. Also, the civilian workers are unionized, NOT the folks in uniform. And I watched a guy in uniform.....Navy Captain....demand absolutely nothing from those civilians. Yes, this was on a Navy facility. Nice try to blame me for knocking the military.....another failure.
The Federal legislators aren't unionized, though their bennies are stupendous. Their comp is a very small % of the budget....the legions of drones cost much more. Hell, Obama's done jack for 7 years.....he should give back his loot. But the OP wasn't about that, as you well know.
My comment is a non-partisan rant. Deflection won't work. I can spool up a fabulous rant about Congress, but it's Friday, so, like millions of Federal drones, I won't make the effort.
Probably other than represent you in grievance procedures, or negotiating where your office is located, etc. Not Much.....of course the original poster/right wing fanatic thinks Unions are the anti-Christ.
I'll repeat the same question, then.
Many public employees are under-paid in comparison to what they'd be making in the private sector. And they took their job knowing that going-in.
I can't speak for them....probably some do, perhaps some like what they do, like job security, like the job in a certain locality? The same reasons people work anywhere I imagine. After all, money isn't everything, right?
Maybe some do, but maybe others do it because the benefits package often balances the less wages that they receive. That - plus (assumed) better job security. Assuming anything would be unfairly painting everyone with the same broad brush. And veterans get a hiring advantage ("veterans preference"), and I know for fact that a good number of state jobs are manned by veterans who were glad to get a job after competing their service.
Read my OP heading....thanks for playing.Many public employees are under-paid in comparison to what they'd be making in the private sector. And they took their job knowing that going-in.
Why? The "better benefits" package has always been the carrot which has attracted and kept the workers on the job. Otherwise, they'd never get qualified people to do those jobs; everyone would be in the private sector, sucking-up the money instead. It's a trade-off, pure and simple.
In your OP, you focused your post on a Fox News stories, based on a study by the Cato Institute. That's the "think tank" that has heavy involvement by co-founder, Charles Koch. No agenda there, right? And a comparison of salaries between the private versus public sectors - did they throw-in some Wal-Mart employees & Mexican field workers for "balance"?
Well, if you were a federal employee, you'd obviously be amongst the 45-50% who don't belong to a union. Joining/belonging is strictly voluntary. It is a personal choice, it is not a closed shop.
Stating the obvious in your heading didn't give it more credibility. It simply served the purpose of preparing us for the BS that was coming.
Well, someone agreed to pay them that much, they didn't steal it. Collective bargaining takes two to make an agreement. If you're jealous, perhaps you should learn their skills and apply for a job!
Exactly. But plucking those $400,000 jobs as examples of your "typical" union job isn't fair either. Heck, why not go all-the-way out there and use the baseball players' union as the example of union wages and benefits?
