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"The biggest differences between Cato's propaganda and the Federal Salary Council approach come from data and methodology. In the Cato assertions would compare federal pay and benefits with the 26% of the American workforce making less than $10 an hour and the 45% that have no employer pensions. The percent of the federal government workforce that makes $10 is only 1%, and all federal employees are eligible to participate in federal retirement plans."

https://www.afge.org/index.cfm?contentID=6444

NTOP said:
Wow....reading failure. Check out the benefit disparity....that's part of their pay. Also, the civilian workers are unionized, NOT the folks in uniform. And I watched a guy in uniform.....Navy Captain....demand absolutely nothing from those civilians. Yes, this was on a Navy facility. Nice try to blame me for knocking the military.....another failure.
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paulbl99 said:
22% productivity gap
You are being generous
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And where did that precise statistic come from? You mean compared to the private sector tax collectors, safety or environmental or food inspectors, or FBI agents, or weather scientists....and on and on....You morons will buy any stat that fits your twisted world view. Pretty hilarious!
 
FreeportPanther said:
Well, someone agreed to pay them that much, they didn't steal it. Collective bargaining takes two to make an agreement. If you're jealous, perhaps you should learn their skills and apply for a job!
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And that is the answer. People complain about state and federal workers. If their pay and benefits are so great. Why didn't they get those jobs?

I've never understood why people complain about other people's jobs or salaries. We all chose what we want. Why complain about the other guy who made (perhaps) a better choice.
 
For being a self-proclaimed success, NTOP sure does lose a lot of sleep over mediocre public sector employee salaries.

99% of your taxes are going elsewhere.

ricflair4LIFE said:
And that is the answer. People complain about state and federal workers. If their pay and benefits are so great. Why didn't they get those jobs?

I've never understood why people complain about other people's jobs or salaries. We all chose what we want. Why complain about the other guy who made (perhaps) a better choice.
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FreeportPanther said:
And where did that precise statistic come from? You mean compared to the private sector tax collectors, safety or environmental or food inspectors, or FBI agents, or weather scientists....and on and on....You morons will buy any stat that fits your twisted world view. Pretty hilarious!
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No... Study with real data
But I wouldn't waste the time on a clown like you
 
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DyingOnPrinciple said:
For being a self-proclaimed success, NTOP sure does lose a lot of sleep over mediocre public sector employee salaries.

99% of your taxes are going elsewhere.
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You make a good point.

Personally, I'd rather the tax dollars go into some employees' pockets - and be spent here in America - than to go toward buying $125 hammers & $15 aspirin tablets. Or going into some village chieftain's pockets in Afghanistan.

Or, there's this: the Defense Department, that's always asking for more money, used our tax dollars to pay NFL teams to honor our military. So if you think that the NFL was simply being patriotic, think again:
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/rep...aid-nfl-teams-millions-to-salute-the-military

Fortunately, thanks to Sen. John McCain and others, that program has since ended:
http://www.stripes.com/mccain-leads-new-effort-to-end-paid-nfl-military-tributes-1.350715
 
ricflair4LIFE said:
And that is the answer. People complain about state and federal workers. If their pay and benefits are so great. Why didn't they get those jobs?

I've never understood why people complain about other people's jobs or salaries. We all chose what we want. Why complain about the other guy who made (perhaps) a better choice.
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Because not everyone has an Uncle who works for the Mayor.

Because we taxpayers are forced to pay for the elevated wages and benefits of government employees we don't believe work very hard and who we don't believe are needed in the first place, while we who work in the private sector don't get the same rewards.
 
pitt90seven said:
i'm pretty qualified to answer this one. to answer: some do it for that reason but not many.

IT is different though: most of them get their jobs after being contractors working there. the gov't isn't so stupid that they'd hire an IT guy off the street. try before you buy.
so a lot of them take the job for the stability. IT contracts come and go but at least they don't have to look for a job every year or two. as contracors, they sometimes have terrible benefits. some of the state workers are in higher ed and there is free tuition for a kid or something that motivates them.

some of them are lower on the totem pole in the skills area and find their natural place at the worst payer (the state, every time). if you're a manager at the gov't and you're budget is set - you get a programmer at that rate and make do as best you can.

in IT, the most common reason given will be the stability. for most people, that still means something to not have to worry about your job every 12-24 months. some state guys get decent pensions and that helps for some; at least that's how they justify it in their mind. i try to tell them that a 401K will crush their pension but they're old goats who don't want to hear it. those guys are usually pretty low in the skill area.
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Most folks screw up their 401K.....IF they even contribute. Sad, but true. And engineers are about the worst, just above teachers. We need to start educating young folks about how $$$ works.
 
BPKY said:
Because not everyone has an Uncle who works for the Mayor.

Because we taxpayers are forced to pay for the elevated wages and benefits of government employees we don't believe work very hard and who we don't believe are needed in the first place, while we who work in the private sector don't get the same rewards.
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Then you should have gotten a job in the public sector and you'd receive those great salaries. But you and others chose not to. You'd rather complain about other people and their job.

And please don't use the excuse about the uncle that works for the mayor. That happens in almost every profession. That's about 0.000001% of the jobs available. There's plenty of jobs left.
 
ricflair4LIFE said:
And that is the answer. People complain about state and federal workers. If their pay and benefits are so great. Why didn't they get those jobs?

I've never understood why people complain about other people's jobs or salaries. We all chose what we want. Why complain about the other guy who made (perhaps) a better choice.
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The reason that I complain about government workers' pay and benefits is because I'm paying for them. On top of that, they are generally doing work that I consider detrimental rather than beneficial.

I wouldn't have taken a government job if it paid twice what I made. I believe in a meritocracy.
 
ricflair4LIFE said:
And that is the answer. People complain about state and federal workers. If their pay and benefits are so great. Why didn't they get those jobs?

I've never understood why people complain about other people's jobs or salaries. We all chose what we want. Why complain about the other guy who made (perhaps) a better choice.
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Some of us have some personal pride & integrity. Rather be productive, not destructive.
 
ricflair4LIFE said:
Then you should have gotten a job in the public sector and you'd receive those great salaries. But you and others chose not to. You'd rather complain about other people and their job.

And please don't use the excuse about the uncle that works for the mayor. That happens in almost every profession. That's about 0.000001% of the jobs available. There's plenty of jobs left.
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Right. And if you don't like guns, don't own one. And sure, there's nepotism in the private sector, but you aren't required to work on a campaign.

But you're totally missing the point. I"M BEING FORCED TO PAY FOR IT.
 
pitt90seven said:
in IT, the most common reason given will be the stability. for most people, that still means something to not have to worry about your job every 12-24 months. some state guys get decent pensions and that helps for some; at least that's how they justify it in their mind. i try to tell them that a 401K will crush their pension but they're old goats who don't want to hear it. those guys are usually pretty low in the skill area.
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Tell that to the people who were scheduled to retire in 2009. Plenty of "professionally managed" funds tanked. Pensioners are subject (in theory) to the market risk of a 401K. It still comes down to risk vs. reward.
 
NTOP said:
Most folks screw up their 401K.....IF they even contribute. Sad, but true. And engineers are about the worst, just above teachers. We need to start educating young folks about how $$$ works.
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Oh, the irony. ;)
 
BPKY said:
Right. And if you don't like guns, don't own one. And sure, there's nepotism in the private sector, but you aren't required to work on a campaign.

But you're totally missing the point. I"M BEING FORCED TO PAY FOR IT.
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And you're missing the point. GET A JOB IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR AND GET YOUR MONEY BACK.

One other thing. My father was in a union most of his life. (miners) He never worked on a campaign.
 
ricflair4LIFE said:
And you're missing the point. GET A JOB IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR AND GET YOUR MONEY BACK.

One other thing. My father was in a union most of his life. (miners) He never worked on a campaign.
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Ric......I have no problem with union miners, steelworkers, etc. It's just the PUBLIC employee unions have a largely unrestricted path to the taxpayers' EARNED money. I can buy a Kia if I resent GM being stolen and given to the UAW, but I can't bypass the SEIU clowns in gov't jobs. Even the closet Marxist FDR was against that.
 
ricflair4LIFE said:
And you're missing the point. GET A JOB IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR AND GET YOUR MONEY BACK.

One other thing. My father was in a union most of his life. (miners) He never worked on a campaign.
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Okay, so your dad worked in the private sector instead of sucking at the public trough. A good man, obviously. The apple fell from tree and rolled down the mountain and across the valley...apparently. ;)
 
Less than one percent of your taxes goes to these government drones. In your case that's probably $50 a month. Do you know where the biggest portion of your tax burden ends up?

BPKY said:
Right. And if you don't like guns, don't own one. And sure, there's nepotism in the private sector, but you aren't required to work on a campaign.

But you're totally missing the point. I"M BEING FORCED TO PAY FOR IT.
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NTOP said:
Most folks screw up their 401K.....IF they even contribute. Sad, but true. And engineers are about the worst, just above teachers. We need to start educating young folks about how $$$ works.
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that's b/c it's very difficult and imprecise. watch the financial "experts" on their recommendations YOY. it's not all tha great. thankfully, the US gov't has a nice program to ensure people will have something in retirement.
 
DyingOnPrinciple said:
Less than one percent of your taxes goes to these government drones. In your case that's probably $50 a month. Do you know where the biggest portion of your tax burden ends up?
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1% is 1%. Sure, there are bigger fish to fry. Gotta start somewhere.
 
NTOP said:
Most folks screw up their 401K.....IF they even contribute. Sad, but true. And engineers are about the worst, just above teachers. We need to start educating young folks about how $$$ works.
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You know how they screw up?
People labor under the delusion they can beat the market, so they pay fees and commissions for no good reason throwing money away.
 
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