If we get in, it's because our WHOLE schedule got us in. You think conference play alone is getting Clemson in?
I'm surprised by the apparent lack of 'BB' fans on here??
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He has been replying to you maturely and logically. You throw "ok everyone is right but you" back in his face as a response. It's almost like you ran out of evidence for your point, so you reverted to grade school tactics. Just seemed childish, but let's just drop it.
I cant go around and around anymore, I am getting dizzy.. im done arguing, Dixon has heard this for over a decade and he don't care.. Continue on with the 2 month pre-season, it works for baseball and hockey, might as well work for college basketball.
Do you honestly believe that the committee is going to say, well, we looked at the OOC for every team but Pitt, for whom we ignored the OOC? If our OOC was bad enough to keep us out, it would keep us out.
It's time to challenge ourselves a bit more, that's all any of us are saying.. Dixon considers pitt a good P5 program? I'd hope so as he should. If so, why does he avoid any competitive games in nov/dec like the plague? if it's because of the reasons some of you think, because he'll be a bubble team and will need that easy 20th win, well then his expectations for his program is very telling..
If the Gonzaga game were played to completion... NOBODY would be having this discussion.
Gonzaga and Purdue, both Top 15 teams at the time we played them, would've put us ahead of 75% of NCAA teams as far as having quality opponents in the OOC.
You're doing it again. We never said every challenging OOC game is a loss. The point is, EVERY team plays cupcakes. We at most replace 1 game, maybe two, that's it. We likely won't change the 300+ games (we played 2), because EVERYONE plays those teams. MSU, referenced many times in this discussion, played 5. Three more cupcakes than us. They played more top teams and more total bottom feeders, which means we played more teams in the middle. If we improve the schedule, it will likely come at the expense of some of the middle tier games, not the worst 2. The overall RPI impact of moving a couple middle tier teams to top teams won't appreciably increase your RPI, while creating greater risk for losing. It's an "RPI cost/benefit analysis". If you are extremely talented like Duke, UNC, UK, MSU, you can afford to take more risks IMO.
Nobody answers me this, but how many cupcakes do people think we actually played OOC?
That is a fine opinion to hold. I have never said you are wrong for thinking that way. But when so many other schools DO get a win against a FCS team, you are requiring Pitt to fight an uphill battle. Pitt fans freaked out this year when worse teams got better bowls than us. Imagine what happens when you mandate Pitt to play harder OOC schedules than all of them now too.
If the entire ACC says, "We no longer allow our members to play any FCS teams," I would completely be in favor of that decision. If the entire ACC says, "We now mandate all of our basketball teams to play 3 P5 opponents OOC annually," I would completely be in favor of that decision. That's a level playing field. What SMF and others are advocating is not.
I counted 7 cupcakes on this year's schedule.. I left Duquesne off because they are local, also left off Kent State because I drove to Lexington and saw first hand us lose to them 10+ years ago..
351 D-1 teams. Western Carolina is exactly the dividing line between top half and bottom half in RPI today, Counting St Joseph, (non D-1) we have 6 BELOW the line and WC right on it. We have only 1 below 300 ( plus St Joe's of course.)
Are you seriously saying that if Auburn or Alabama would come to town, that they would draw well just because they are good in football? I'd much rather see Wichita or Creighton.
while the OOC is a pet peeve of mine I'm totally bored with the subject. I just find it hard to believe that anyone who calls themselves a bb fan can justify Pitts OOC sch.and deny that it has any connection to attendance . I don't think the Pete would be full for those games if they let you in for free.
The blue backs at the fitz didn't show up for the nonconference games either & the nonconference games were better.
Last Sunday, when Duke was in town a lot of the "loyal" season ticket holders didn't show up either. They sold their tickets to make a few bucks that they really didn't nee to make.
The nonconference schedule...you can love it or hate it...it is no different than going to Heinz field to see Pitt play Villanova or some other cream puff. If you love the team, you show up. If you are more interested in being at the happening place/event, then you go to stub hub & sell your tickets.
It was tempting to put my tickets on stub hub, but a couple of hundred dollars couldn't replace the satisfaction of seeing Duke quit.
For free it'd be filled !
For free it'd be filled!
Totally agree a few hundred bucks which you'll spend never can replace the memories of a great victory.
I always enjoyed early season mismatches to appreciate the ability of Pitts players ,but Pitt has taken it too far imo. The failure is in the marketing dept in not replacing the older fans as they drop out with innovative plans to get the younger fans ( ZOO ) involved. Add in mediocre teams without a superstar 10 k is about all you can expect.
That's not necessarily true. I recall that after the MLB players strike the Houston Astros had a free game. It was not a "sell" out.
