In watching Miami destroy Notre Dame anyone else think Pitt won't win the Coastal for a long time?
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Coastal was fairly doable until the hires last off season.
Richt just was a great pick for Miami, and Fuente plugging into VT wasn't good news, either.
Still ... it is what it is. Gotta build up the program's overall depth of talent, get a QB on cycle with the rest of the team to make a run at it every few years.
Richt just was a great pick for Miami, and Fuente plugging into VT wasn't good news, either.
Still ... it is what it is. Gotta build up the program's overall depth of talent, get a QB on cycle with the rest of the team to make a run at it every few years.
I think Pitt's decision on how to proceed will be interesting. Do they resign to the fact they can keep Narduzzi and go to a bowl most years and every once in a while be an average team and win 8 games? Do they want to try to compete for division titles and conference championships, but run the risk of setting the program back even more?
Maybe the former is the most responsible thing to do and not chase wins, but it could also really backfire and kill the fanbase to a point they can never compete again.
Maybe the former is the most responsible thing to do and not chase wins, but it could also really backfire and kill the fanbase to a point they can never compete again.
We might luck into one year where Miami gets hit with a bunch of injuries, VT has a down year, while UNC and GT lose a few close games. But we won't ever consistently compete in this, or any, division, unless recruiting picks up in a big way.
1) Pitt isn’t going to find $5 million.
2) Pitt would hire a HC from a lower level or assistant from a Power 5.
That is exactly what Pitt would do. Guaranteed.
Nitters and others make fun of the coastal, but it is heads & shoulders above Big 10 West, SEC East and probably others. Very good coaches as well
The Haywood hire is a perfect example of how PITT would move forward in hiring a coach.
Actually I heard from some Miami of Ohio friend who graduated from there that he was a really good coach and he might have worked out at PITT.
In his 2nd yr he was 11-1 and won the championship.
I hope if Narduzzi ever leaves we dont end up with the EMU clown who is 3-7 and will most likely lose the last two games!
He is actually a decent coach, but EMU is literally the most difficult job in all of D1. He won at his previous 3 jobs, and took EMU to their first bowl game in forever last year.
The coastal is on the rise in a big way. There are some really good coaches now. There are 5 or 6 guys I would consider as an upgrade over our own coach right now.
I thought that the second the Richt and Fuente hiring season was over. Two programs with higher to FAR higher recruiting ceilings, that had now hired coaches capable of playing up to that recruiting ceiling. That's about all she wrote when that happens.
The coaching in the Coastal has just gotten so good, that a talent advantage is as important as ever. When it was London and Al Golden/Randy Shannon and what was left of Frank Beamer, it was possible to mitigate the talent advantage with coaching.
But when the coaching cancels itself out, you better have a talent advantage to fall back on. Otherwise you end up just like most the teams in the Big 12. With really good coaches like Patterson and Gundy and Holgerson canceling out the coaching, exchanging losses because they all recruit at about the same level, and only OU coming out of it because they recruit at a level above the rest.
I understand Pitt wont find 5 Million. But my point was that if they did have 5 million to spend, IMO, they still wouldn't be able to lure a proven HC here. Not with the administration Pitt has.
Perception aside, the ACC is way better than the Big 10, and Duzz better start selling that. I know big crowds have an allure, but these kids should want to play against the best. Miami and Clemson > Big 10. ACC's mid tier is far better and bigger than Big 10 mid tier. And Hell, Pitt should be able to beat Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Illinois year in and year out.
But you have to sell a heck of a lot more than that because what does that buy you? Maybe the kids who can't get a spot at Clemson, FSU, and Miami, but a portion of some of the kids VT and UNC want? Right now we are clearly a level below those. So, that still leaves us with no chance to compete, even if you think our coaching is even (obviously almost every unbiased outsider in the country would disagree) with those schools.
So, if we acknowledge Richt, Fuente, and Fedora are pretty good coaches and are honest our coaches are, at best, even with those staffs, we better have at least equal talent coming in to even have a remote chance at competing. Right now we are clearly behind in talent and probably pretty behind in coaching, too. That means we are going to be lucky to compete with GT, UVA, and Duke.
Luck plays a big part in CFB. By all means Pitt is a long way from the top but they could also catch lightning in a bottle. I Just hope we’re all around to talk about the event that changes Pitt’s misfortunes.
If that's the Big 10's mid tier, who's the Big 10's bottom tier? Northwestern? We saw how that played out.
Pitt lost to Iowa, Nebraska and Michigan State when he played them and we never play Michigan, Ohio State and Wisconsin. Michigan and Ohio State would bring a lot of fans to Heinz Field.
No, I was implying Pitt could beat the Big 10 Bottom Tier. I think this year, Pitt is definitely bottom tier.
We lost to 1-8 UNC, so I think we would struggle to beat any P5 team, depending on the week and matchup.
Who watched the Catholics vs. Convicts 30 for 30?
Funny little side part of that documentary was the Pitt footage. Sort of amazing we beat Notre Dame three years in a row (including when they were ranked #4 in the country) and almost beat them when they were on their way to a national title. Lots of very good players from around here back then on those Gottfried era teams.
Funny little side part of that documentary was the Pitt footage. Sort of amazing we beat Notre Dame three years in a row (including when they were ranked #4 in the country) and almost beat them when they were on their way to a national title. Lots of very good players from around here back then on those Gottfried era teams.
This goes for any program- they are not as good as their best performance and never as bad as they look in their worst.
Miami is on the up tick. Everything looks like it's pointed in the right direction but I'm not convinced they are back to the old U yet.
2019 will be the year Pitt figures out if they have the right coach to lead the program.
Miami is on the up tick. Everything looks like it's pointed in the right direction but I'm not convinced they are back to the old U yet.
2019 will be the year Pitt figures out if they have the right coach to lead the program.
came to that conclusion watching Pitt play UNC....didn’t have to watch anybody else play to reach that conclusion
Well.....aside from like a 65 way tie and all of the tiebreakers that came with it, Pitt never won the Big East outright. So yeah, yeah I can see this.
When you look at the 4 year recruiting average on their current team, they aren't back yet this year. But I think that is maybe the scary thing about them. They are playing at this level, and the elite talent isn't even there yet, but based on their current recruiting class, it's on the way.
Richt started out strong at Georgia then seemed to fizzle out a little. Hopefully, a stronger Coastal division lights a fire under Pitt’s higher ups to go all in to make us able to compete. Until they do expect the same old same old
Exactly! If and when you see our recruiting consistently in the top 20 to 30. That’s when Pitt fans can say the future is looking bright. If we do not recruit like that? Well, we all know the drill
That's probably true of every program. I don't many coaches that start out strong, and finish just as strong. Most stay too long and get stale.
I think one thing that happened to Richt in the SEC is the rest of the league got their act together.
UF dumped Zook for Urban. LSU got Saban and then Miles. Bama got Saban. USCe got Spurrier. Auburn, etc.
They all started reaching their recruiting ceilings under these guys. So you had a bunch of Top 10 recruiting classes coming in, with coaches capable of getting the most out of those classes. When Richt first got there that wasn't the case.
When you look around the ACC, those type of program ceilings just don't exist. Miami is capable of bringing in Top 5 to Top 10 recruiting classes every year. With where they are located, there's no excuse for their recruiting not being at that level in years past, even if it was still at a pretty good level. Who in the ACC is capable of elevating to that level? FSU and Clemson for sure, they are already at that level. But they are in the Atlantic, although Miami does play FSU every year. Outside of that, there isn't an ACC team I would even pencil in as a Top 15 recruiting class in any given year. Most are going to be in a fight to finish 20 to 25.
Which is a big reason why I never wanted to be in the Big 10. I'll never forget the sea of red swarming Oakland back when we played OSU in the mid 90s. Made me understand how other fans feel when the Steelers come to town.
