interesting UCF stat
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Don’t bring that up... Some posters are convinced you can only win with 4-5 star players.
Don’t get me wrong, the more you have the better your chances are of winning at a high level.
However you can still win without a roster full of 4 star players. We’ve reviewed that many times on the board. That’s Just an excuse to accept mediocrity. If Syracuse, WSU, UCF and other programs that consistently finish behind us in recruiting rankings can do it, why not Pitt???
Having said all that, does recruiting need to improve? Absolutely it does.
Don’t get me wrong, the more you have the better your chances are of winning at a high level.
However you can still win without a roster full of 4 star players. We’ve reviewed that many times on the board. That’s Just an excuse to accept mediocrity. If Syracuse, WSU, UCF and other programs that consistently finish behind us in recruiting rankings can do it, why not Pitt???
Having said all that, does recruiting need to improve? Absolutely it does.
1. Syracuse was worse than Pitt. They played an easier schedule.
2. You cannot compare anything to Washington State. Pound for pound, Mike Leach is arguably the best coach of all time. And he runs a ridiculous offensive system. Narduzzi isnt Mike Leach.
3. UCF plays in the American and had an elite QB. If you play in a G5 and have an elite QB, you'll win almost every game no matter what the rest of your roster looks like.
it is kind of weird that UCF cant parlay their success into landing some quality P5 caliber recruits.. maybe they don't have too..
Pound for pound the best coach OF ALL TIME? Oh! It's SMF...... Nevermind.
Yep, he's had Texas Tech and Washington State in the national title convo late in the season. Given the limitations he has at those places, what he has accomplished puts him in the debate.
Part of the lesson is college football recruiting is heavy about what I would call "infastructure" -- attendance, training facilities, stadium, and general athletic department budget. It makes it pretty different from other college sports, where a charismatic coach or a few winning seasons are more easily translated into landing higher level recruits.
It's sort of a dumb sport that way. And it makes me wonder why I even watch it. It's basically a spending race.
It's sort of a dumb sport that way. And it makes me wonder why I even watch it. It's basically a spending race.
It's indicative of how recruiting has evolved, with today's top guys willing to only sign with the most guaranteed 'brand names', even if stacked 3 or 4 levels deep on the depth chart and possibly never seeing the field. Maybe it's understandable... you go to Clemson, maybe you never crack the two deep, but you still go to all playoff games and get to stand under the confetti, even if the uni never gets washed in 4 years. You go to UCF, even if you play for 3 years and win 12 each year, you're locked out of the playoff and barely anyone knows your name.
The grad transfer rule has made that even more of a palatable option. Live the blue blood dream at a Michigan, watching others play...and when it winds down, swallow your bile, lower yourself to go somewhere like Pitt where you'll actually play for a year, and possibly salvage an NFL shot.
All of this is because college sports isn't college sports anymore.
College sports are the minor leagues for football and basketball.
A few college programs profit from this effort with most paying for a minor league system for the NFL and NBA.
Both of those sports should creat and fund a minor league system and this "arms race" will end.
As in any "arms race" the top programs will dominate and the others will eventually go bankrupt or drop out of the race!
I'd love to watch true college football where the players interested in getting and completing their educations go to college and the "other student athletes" play in a minor league system.
The system should be set up just like NHL hockey ( the best system) and MLB baseball.
"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
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Why is it that he seems not well liked. I'd hire Hitler or Bin Laden if I thought they could be winners at Pitt, so I'd like to have him, but it seems somehow he's not popular? Was there some incident where he locked some wuss in a room and his daddy complained or something? I'm from the '70s, so I'm used to, and OK with drunken coaches denying kids water in 100 degree heat and risking their health! LOL
I don't think this will work, the NBA has the G League and NOBODY CARES. They'd still rather see, Duke, Kentucky, even Pitt - Pitt's crappy teams like last year, draw way more than G League teams. The AAF and the XFL are trying to exist now, yet they choose not to play in the fall, because they can't compete there, few people would watch, the UFL was the last league that tried to be a pro football league in the fall and it was a major joke. People pack stadiums, and even 40000 show up at places like Pitt, not necessarily for football, it's more to support their school, it's a connection, a long tradition, it's not really to see high quality football. I'd be willing to bet, if the colleges all quit giving scholarships, and places like Pitt played D3 football, and we built a 25000 seat stadium on campus, and had games against Carnegie Mellon and Duquesne, and the NFL set up a minor league Pittsburgh Steelers 2, that played at Heinz Field on Saturday opposite Pitt games full of 1 star WPIAL players, the Pitt game would be sold out and there'd be 3000 fans in Heinz Field watching the minor league NFL with the higher quality players. But I would be interested to see how college football would do if it was no scholarship. Is it really loyalty to school, state, region or does the quality of the players matter a lot?
Bin laden and hitler would be great recruiters. Not sure what kind of system they’d run but they both can recruit, that’s for sure.
I'm sure Hitler would implement some sort of Blitzkreig on both sides of the ball-no huddle like he used vs. France, Bin Ladin, probably would go with a lot of trickeration and be able to win with lesser recruits like he did vs. the USSR in the Afghanistan game.
I’m not sure if I laugh at this, add to it or stay away due to it being a tad offensive.
I hate to high-jack this thread, but there you have it, more proof of an easy schedule early in the season always helps. German Army vs the French 3:30pm kick-off. The line opens at Germany -31
Why do French tanks have Rearview mirrors?
so they can watch the battle...
im here all week folks..
On the other hand, I'm when USSR scheduled Afghanistan, they figured it would be an easy one, probably favored like -50, then they where shocked by the underdog's play book!
And their class was ranked just below Pitt's -- but the best in the AAC. That says a lot about them being a big fish in a non-Power 5 pond.
It's probably way more FUN for the fans. Not talking about money or prestige at all, who's having MORE FUN from game to game, a program who's going 9-3, 10-2, 11-1, 12-0 all the time in a G5 league, or being a perpetual 6-6 in a P5 league.
