It's official. Herb Hand is gone from PSU to Auburn
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Holgy was 8-1 against teams not named Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Baylor. WVU fans are crazy if they think they will do better. Holgy is doing well down there.
The difference is .... we realize that Chaney left for more money and a higher-profile program.
The Cult thinks that PSU is still a blue blood. They aren't.
So what you are saying is Holgy lost to everyone better than wvu and beat up on tomato cans.
Untill Pitt,WVU and PSU beat someone with a pulse none can proclaim superiority over the other.Louisville had a very low pulse and Duke's schedule had more cupcakes than PSU's!
A. Nobody's schedule had more cupcakes than PSU's
B. Louisville went 8-5 and was better than any team PSU beat.
C. On 9/10/2016, one team will be able to claim superiority
I'm not one to defend Holgy, but it must be tough to recruit at Hoopie U., maybe similar to recruiting at Iowa State. It's no wonder that they gotta take more "at risk"/shady recruits than most D-1 programs. I think they do fairly well considering who they are, and being handicapped by being located in a state that produces few outstanding football players.
But having said that, their fans still act like in-bred cretins, and I'm glad that we won't be playing them for a while.
Absolutely and combine the fact that they are on a complete island is not helping them
Exactly. It must be difficult being in West by-gawd Virginia and knowing that you can't successfully recruit players out of the footprint of where your opponents are located.
What really hurts Holgy is WVa doesn't produce the type of players he needs to compete in the Big 12.Plus he's surrounded by P5 teams which makes it difficult to get the kids he needs.He won't have the almost 8 million $ buyout after next year,so his couch has lighter fluid on it now!He drinks too much but I like the guy.Maybe that's because I drink too much sometimes too!
http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2016/01/auburn_to_hire_penn_states_herb_hand.html
Apparently Hand & Malzahn go way back.
And FWIW, Hand is filling a spot that was vacated because a coach left Auburn for Cincinnati.
Franklin can lose his whole staff and its not going to affect recruiting. He's the best recruiter of anybody on his staff. He also has a good eye for other coaching talent. Perhaps there is some truth to that wife theory.
Apparently Hand & Malzahn go way back.
And FWIW, Hand is filling a spot that was vacated because a coach left Auburn for Cincinnati.
Franklin can lose his whole staff and its not going to affect recruiting. He's the best recruiter of anybody on his staff. He also has a good eye for other coaching talent. Perhaps there is some truth to that wife theory.
Closer to the truth and not limited to just Coaches, some Former Players, PS4RS, and Higher Ups too!
WVU Bootsers ready to Boot but President Gee Whiz save them and lower Buyout and one more chance for a 10 win season! They have someone in mind too!
LOL, thanks for the honesty and insight, so Hand is not so great OL Coach at PSU but in demand at Auburn? How the worm turns?
Three things here: 1) He inherited an OL that doesn't have jack in terms of talent or depth. Two years isn't nearly enough time to fix it. 2) Auburn's OL coach bolted for Cincinnati and Hand has a close relationship with Malzahn. 3) With the change at OC at PSU, its a move that makes a lot of sense. I'm sure the OC would have a much better working relationship if he has input on the staff he's going to be working with.
I'm saying he lost 4 games that 105 of 120 D1 teams (including Pitt) would have lost. Those were elite level teams he lost to. He was 8-1 vs mediocre and bad teams.
"TD_6082, post: 738246, member: 510"]Three things here: 1) He inherited an OL that doesn't have jack in terms of talent or depth. Two years isn't nearly enough time to fix it.
Well, it is now the Third Year and Handy Hand still bolted, after abandoning and bringing in his 4 Four Star OL Recruits, kind of makes that excuse not only hollow but outright laughable? I am leaving because I inherited a bad situation but come to Penn State and I'll leave too, when I came to make you as a Recruit and our Team better?????
2) Auburn's OL coach bolted for Cincinnati and Hand has a close relationship with Malzahn.
Still does not explain how Franklin bragged about his Long Time Loyal staff the day before MSU and now has lost 3 Long time Loyal Staffers a month later, after endorsing no lateral moves? How do you explain that nothing but short of losing confidence in such a Head coach as well as abandoning Recruits? These are outright inconsistent statements that turn out not to be true? These are examples of bad character from a Head Coach or Assistants & University too?
3) With the change at OC at PSU, its a move that makes a lot of sense. I'm sure the OC would have a much better working relationship if he has input on the staff he's going to be working with.
I guess then if you were correct, Herb Hand should have been fired by Franklin like Donovan too? Additionally, how does picking a New OC explain losing the DC? Franklin had a OC-DC problem but none of this is on Franklin according to you!
Did Franklin need 3 Years to lose 3 Coaches too, as an example of inheriting a bad OL????? So, you do expect for Penn State to win 10 games in 2017?
I enjoy reading you're insights and compliment you often, but you are as confused as Franklin and Penn State right now, and so are the Recruits and Players.
Pitt had these same problems with Coaching and Assistant Coaching changes and I blamed no one but Pitt, and kept saying it.
Selecting the right people to turn around a CFB Program is on the University and making excuses reflects poor judgment and problems, not waiting for solutions? They were hired knowing the challenges but they left Franklin and Penn State!!!!
And you caught what Franklin has adopted, Double Speak and it is no longer just in the Novel 1984, but at Penn State?
Well, it is now the Third Year and Handy Hand still bolted, after abandoning and bringing in his 4 Four Star OL Recruits, kind of makes that excuse not only hollow but outright laughable? I am leaving because I inherited a bad situation but come to Penn State and I'll leave too, when I came to make you as a Recruit and our Team better?????
2) Auburn's OL coach bolted for Cincinnati and Hand has a close relationship with Malzahn.
Still does not explain how Franklin bragged about his Long Time Loyal staff the day before MSU and now has lost 3 Long time Loyal Staffers a month later, after endorsing no lateral moves? How do you explain that nothing but short of losing confidence in such a Head coach as well as abandoning Recruits? These are outright inconsistent statements that turn out not to be true? These are examples of bad character from a Head Coach or Assistants & University too?
3) With the change at OC at PSU, its a move that makes a lot of sense. I'm sure the OC would have a much better working relationship if he has input on the staff he's going to be working with.
I guess then if you were correct, Herb Hand should have been fired by Franklin like Donovan too? Additionally, how does picking a New OC explain losing the DC? Franklin had a OC-DC problem but none of this is on Franklin according to you!
Did Franklin need 3 Years to lose 3 Coaches too, as an example of inheriting a bad OL????? So, you do expect for Penn State to win 10 games in 2017?
I enjoy reading you're insights and compliment you often, but you are as confused as Franklin and Penn State right now, and so are the Recruits and Players.
Pitt had these same problems with Coaching and Assistant Coaching changes and I blamed no one but Pitt, and kept saying it.
Selecting the right people to turn around a CFB Program is on the University and making excuses reflects poor judgment and problems, not waiting for solutions? They were hired knowing the challenges but they left Franklin and Penn State!!!!
And you caught what Franklin has adopted, Double Speak and it is no longer just in the Novel 1984, but at Penn State?
Captain, you are reading too much into what I'm saying. For the first point, I'm just saying that the failure of the OL at PSU for the past two years isn't a very good indication of whether Hand is a good coach or not. And for the second point, I'm just saying that combination of a new OC at PSU, and a long time friend at another football power courting your services makes for a good time to bolt.
People on this board are reading way too much into the coaching turnover at PSU. Did you know the OC at Bama, before Lane Kiffin, bolted after the Tide won the national title game against Notre Dame? He went to Michigan as Brady Hoke's OC for one year before that regime was shown the door. He has since landed on his feet at Florida, although that isn't a very good situation right now either.
Only one thing is going to make PSU's situation a lot better. Great recruiting. Right now, they are slowly getting things back on track. As long as their program is financially healthy, they will never do much worse in recruiting than they are currently, regardless of how many assistants they lose or how often a head coach goes through the door. PSU is like a SEC school in that sense. Only instead of Top 10 type classes, PSU is more likely to sign classes that range from 10 to 30. Not good, but not a disaster either.
People on this board are reading way too much into the coaching turnover at PSU. Did you know the OC at Bama, before Lane Kiffin, bolted after the Tide won the national title game against Notre Dame? He went to Michigan as Brady Hoke's OC for one year before that regime was shown the door. He has since landed on his feet at Florida, although that isn't a very good situation right now either.
Only one thing is going to make PSU's situation a lot better. Great recruiting. Right now, they are slowly getting things back on track. As long as their program is financially healthy, they will never do much worse in recruiting than they are currently, regardless of how many assistants they lose or how often a head coach goes through the door. PSU is like a SEC school in that sense. Only instead of Top 10 type classes, PSU is more likely to sign classes that range from 10 to 30. Not good, but not a disaster either.
James said he is crushing everyone in recruiting. Must be true.
James likes to stretch things on occasion. He isn't doing all that bad though.
Franklin knows his first two years impressed nobody in State College. He'll be making a solid hire, or at worst a coach almost as ineffective as Hand. The OL was a disaster, but some of that has to be put on Donovan and O'Brien, who left him without much. Also as good as Shoops reputation was, PSU had all of their decommits on the Defensive side the past two years. That shouldnt happen with a coordinator that nearly every SEC school was trying to hire.
"jabba2, post: 739653, member: 6134"]Franklin knows his first two years impressed nobody in State College. He'll be making a solid hire, or at worst a coach almost as ineffective as Hand. The OL was a disaster, but some of that has to be put on Donovan and O'Brien, who left him without much. Also as good as Shoops reputation was, PSU had all of their decommits on the Defensive side the past two years. That shouldnt happen with a coordinator that nearly every SEC school was trying to hire.
So, what do expect from Franklin in his Third Year with all he Top 24, 15 and 20+ Class Recruits for 2016???
Also, would prefer PSU's Alums Steeler's OL Munchak, Temple's Rhule, Bobby Engram, Al Golden or Jay Paterno to return to become the next Penn State Coach or do you want Franklin to stay a long time at Penn State?
I know they are just your opinions, and no right or wrongs here? I just think the PSU Alums Coaches can unite PSU better then Franklin!
Thanks in advance!
So, what do expect from Franklin in his Third Year with all he Top 24, 15 and 20+ Class Recruits for 2016???
Also, would prefer PSU's Alums Steeler's OL Munchak, Temple's Rhule, Bobby Engram, Al Golden or Jay Paterno to return to become the next Penn State Coach or do you want Franklin to stay a long time at Penn State?
I know they are just your opinions, and no right or wrongs here? I just think the PSU Alums Coaches can unite PSU better then Franklin!
Thanks in advance!
Back to Shoop's press conference today...
He never came right out and said anything specifically, and perhaps I'm reading too much between the lines, but you can tell there is some dysfunction behind the scenes in Happy Valley. Its more about what he didn't say about PSU, when he had the opportunity, than what he did say. He had a lot of praise and positive things to say about Franklin & Vanderbilt. Then he would indirectly take a subtle shot at PSU by heaping praise on Tennessee's program and then saying something along the lines like he's never had the opportunity to coach at a place like that before... seemingly omitting PSU on purpose.
At least thats my perception of it.
He never came right out and said anything specifically, and perhaps I'm reading too much between the lines, but you can tell there is some dysfunction behind the scenes in Happy Valley. Its more about what he didn't say about PSU, when he had the opportunity, than what he did say. He had a lot of praise and positive things to say about Franklin & Vanderbilt. Then he would indirectly take a subtle shot at PSU by heaping praise on Tennessee's program and then saying something along the lines like he's never had the opportunity to coach at a place like that before... seemingly omitting PSU on purpose.
At least thats my perception of it.
Thanks TD-6082! Good info! Penn state still has a strong Top 15 Revenue Resources Program and even if they lose Coaches and some De-Commits, they can make them up
Pitt is just getting started rebuilding their own Recruiting Department and filling in positions that have been vacant for years under Pederson's Paid Consultant methods for other things. Narduzzi can adjust better better knowing this region and results will improve every year.
I expect all 3 Programs in Pitt, WVU, Penn State to win 7 to 9 games next year as signs of improvements and playing better in the least 6 games, as well as, beating 1 to2 Ranked Teams.
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