James Wiseman leaves Memphis
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He should already be in the NBA. I don't remember hearing a peep from anyone when Sidney Crosby went straight from high school to the NHL.
They're the FedException to the rule.
My guess is that he decided that he didn't want to donate the money to charity that the NCAA was requiring him to before he would be allowed to play again to make up for the extra benefits he got.
If it’s about the repayment where’s he going to get the money without another booster giving it to him ? How many families have 11k laying around ?
Maybe with the Cole Anthony injury he decided it wasn’t worth it to risk injury or he just wasn’t feeling the college thing . ( like going to class )
The real losers are college bb fans , he’ll be fine and Memphis seems to be doing ok without him .
Maybe with the Cole Anthony injury he decided it wasn’t worth it to risk injury or he just wasn’t feeling the college thing . ( like going to class )
The real losers are college bb fans , he’ll be fine and Memphis seems to be doing ok without him .
If only there were places set up where someone could get money today by agreeing to pay back a little more money later on. Something like that would really help out not only in a situation like this, but in many other situations one might find themselves in in life.
I doubt that was the reason, but that penalty made absolute no sense.
His family is being disciplined for taking money, but then they turn around and fine him as if he's a pro....smh @ NCAA
The NCAA is beyond petty/out of touch, but if he truly wanted to play, he was done a serious disservice by Memphis and Hardaway. Memphis thought they laid down after the Derrick Rose stuff and was hell bent on using this as their way to make a symbolic stand. Penny used his relationships with top AAU talent, largely the one with Wiseman, to run Tubby Smith out and get the Memphis job. I’m sure more money changed hands than just the 11K in “moving expenses” but, as usual, the kid is just a pawn.
The reports are that Penny/staff tried to convince Wiseman to stay. Good on the kid for leaving and recognizing that staying largely served others infinitely more than himself
The reports are that Penny/staff tried to convince Wiseman to stay. Good on the kid for leaving and recognizing that staying largely served others infinitely more than himself
They didn't fine him as if he was a pro. They told him if he wanted to play he had to give back the money that he got that broke the rule.
When someone gets caught robbing a bank they don't let them keep the money when their trial is over. Obviously what Wiseman did isn't nearly as bad as that, but the concept is exactly the same. You don't get to profit from breaking the rules.
Quite frankly, in my view, college hoops would be better off without the hypocrisy of having kids on teams that leave without completing their degrees and especially those who never intended from the beginning to get a degree.
I would like to see some sort of changes that would basically eliminate the one-and-dones, etc. from college hoops.
Let the NBA take theses kids directly out of high school and either put them in the league or the G-league.
Then have the NCAA by rule discourage coaches from recruiting guys who will turn pro (NBA or overseas) without completing their degrees.
One possibility for the NCAA could be not allowing any school to backfill a ship of any player turning pro early and not completing a degree until 4 (or 5?) years from their initial enrollment date or until the date they complete a B.S. or B.A. degree--should that occur first (a possibility for players going pro when juniors academically who complete their degree later). These "lost" ships could be allowed to be used by any player leaving early and playing pro ball to work on completing their degree online and/or on campus during their pro-hoops off-seasons. Ships for guys who are grad transfers and regular transfers to other NCAA schools who are making progress toward their degrees would, of course, not be effected.
The clock for ships for JUCO transfers who leave early to play pro could similarly be based on their remaining eligibility instead of the 4 (or 5?) year rule.
IMHO, going this sort of route would take a decent bite out of the current hypocrisy in college basketball recruiting while changing the often phony "student athlete" claim into at least a more nearly honest "athlete student" claim. It also might have a side benefit of increasing the competitiveness of the rest of the pack with the "blue bloods."
I would like to see some sort of changes that would basically eliminate the one-and-dones, etc. from college hoops.
Let the NBA take theses kids directly out of high school and either put them in the league or the G-league.
Then have the NCAA by rule discourage coaches from recruiting guys who will turn pro (NBA or overseas) without completing their degrees.
One possibility for the NCAA could be not allowing any school to backfill a ship of any player turning pro early and not completing a degree until 4 (or 5?) years from their initial enrollment date or until the date they complete a B.S. or B.A. degree--should that occur first (a possibility for players going pro when juniors academically who complete their degree later). These "lost" ships could be allowed to be used by any player leaving early and playing pro ball to work on completing their degree online and/or on campus during their pro-hoops off-seasons. Ships for guys who are grad transfers and regular transfers to other NCAA schools who are making progress toward their degrees would, of course, not be effected.
The clock for ships for JUCO transfers who leave early to play pro could similarly be based on their remaining eligibility instead of the 4 (or 5?) year rule.
IMHO, going this sort of route would take a decent bite out of the current hypocrisy in college basketball recruiting while changing the often phony "student athlete" claim into at least a more nearly honest "athlete student" claim. It also might have a side benefit of increasing the competitiveness of the rest of the pack with the "blue bloods."
I’m sure an agent would gladly lend him and his family the money ...oh that’s not allowed either ! Banks require collateral and it seems like his family has limited resources which means they’d have no collateral maybe Penny would co-sign .
Banks don’t tend to lend money to people who need it without collateral . While there’s no doubt that if he stays healthy repayment isn’t a problem , but there’s no 100% guarantee.
this kid is not the equivalent to Sidney Crosby in hoops...good for him but me thinks even a year in college raises the amount of coin you can make in the NBA...
so you think Zion Williamson's overall value was hurt by his year at Duke?
You take a kid out of high school millions fewer people know who the hell he even is...Yep he may get drafted high but his apparel and shoe deals and commercial opportunities are nowhere near what he makes after a year in college and a tournament run...
Zion played in, arguably, the most marketable college program in America. Even with a stud freshman class, Memphis is still Memphis.
This years draft class is pretty weak, so Wiseman doesn’t need any college exposure to cement his standing. He’s a quiet, introverted kid so even if he played at a Duke or UK, he’s not attracting the type of attention that Zion did because, honestly, he isn’t even in the same ballpark in terms of marketability.
I don’t really see any reason why he needed to stay that serves the kid. Memphis would profit, NCAA would profit, Penny profits, CBB fans profit but the player gets nothing. He can start signing endorsements and banking that money right now in addition to getting started on NBA training paid for by his agency rather than worrying about a throwaway game against Tulane.
but the player gets nothing... untrue..he would not make the same endorsement money as a high school kid coming out..no way, no how...the only reason we are talking about him now is based on his time at memphis...
Let’s see he signed a 4 yr deal worth 44 million plus his shoe contract is 75 million over 7 yrs that’s roughly 22 million a yr he gave up to almost blow out his knee to spend a yr at Duke . He’d have been the number 1 pick the yr before . So yes it cost him 22 million !
The only reason your talking about him is one thing you don’t think scouts knew about him !
If you don't think that there is any bank out there that would loan Wiseman the money based on his future potential earnings then you don't really understand how banks work. I would guess that almost every bank in America would loan Wiseman $11,000 right this very second, with the caveat that he has to insure himself against a career ending injury. Which Wiseman has already done if anyone in his inner circle has even half a brain.
So you think that people who take money that they aren't allowed to take should be allowed to keep it?
He didn't steal any money, nor were any laws broken when the money was accepted.
The end.
They are different leagues.
Why would anyone complain about Sid going straight to the NHL?
Is a weird equivalency. But it does seem like you are making a peep about this guy not being able to play. But maybe take that up with the racist NBA.
It’s funny you’d think a guy with. Dr in front of his name then can walk into a bank and secure a loan without collateral based on his future earnings , well not for the last 40 yrs anyway . Until he signed with an agent where’s his family coming up with the insurance premium , which I’d imagine has to be a sum far greater than the 11k he owed .
When your that good at hockey at his age you don't go to a normal high school, they transfer you to programs and Junior hockey leagues from different states and tutor you while you train. Crosby probably spent as much time in a high school class room as you have had watching the sport he plays.
Correct. And if he wanted to keep the money, as my guess is he is going to do now, then he could certainly do that.
On the other hand, if he wants to play NCAA basketball he has to follow the rules. Just like anyone who wants to be a part of any organization. The notion that if you aren't breaking the law you can do whatever you want in any situation is silly. He wanted to play NCAA basketball, so he has to follow the NCAA's rules.
The end.
You don't think that a doctor could get an unsecured loan at just about any bank in the country? I mean assuming that he or she hasn't completely screwed up their credit to that point.
Seriously, if you are a doctor and you can't get an unsecured loan you must have made some really, really stupid financial decisions in your life. Heck, I have people sending me solicitations for unsecured credit all the time. Probably several times a week on average. And offering a heck of a lot more than $11,000.
The only thing I see differently is that paying back benefits shouldn’t be an option
you’re caught - you’re disqualified and the team is banned from the post season that year .
I realize how hockey works, but I always hear people talk about what a tragedy it is for these kids to go to the NBA at 18, and that they're making such a poor life decision. I never hear this about hockey or baseball players turning pro out of high school. Many baseball players sign for relative peanuts, and are then sent to live in some dusty podunk town. No one cares, because no one cares about college hockey or baseball. These are the self serving arguments of college basketball fans. Some of these teenage hockey players come over here not speaking a word of English, and no one seems concerned about it, but everyone frets about some kid from the "hood".
I know for a fact that a Dr cannot get an unsecured loan unless he has collateral to guarantee the loan . Twice during my career I bought practices that both were very profitable and combined them with mine and I had to secure them with my other assets . I had an on going profitable practice and substantial assets , but still had to secure the loans . I can guarantee you that I never made any stupid financial mistakes and have over a +800 credit rating approaching 850 . Banks don’t lend money out unless they know they can get repaid somehow .
Getting and accepting unsolicited loans with interest rates in the 22+% might be considered making a stupid financial mistake and I doubt that anyone would be willing to lend a very poor family 11k without collateral at any interest rate ...would you ?
Now saying that do I think someone would offer a kid with that potential a loan to get future business opportunities with him , l do , it happens all the time they’re called agents .
This One and Done insider trading deal between the NBA, the NCAA and the networks and sneaker companies is the biggest farce in sports today. Wiseman should be in the Lottery THIS year and a kid who really wants to play at Memphis and like actually get a Degree should be playing for the Tigers right now.
These are the arguments of the college basketball commentators. ESPN desperately wants to force these kids to enhance their CBB product and bake in hype which eventually transfers into their NBA product. Covering a kid like Zion at Duke and hyping him up is the best case scenario for ESPN.
ESPN has minimal coverage for NHL and MLB and even less coverage for college hockey and baseball. Draft 12 year olds for all they care.
Well you are talking about something completely different. I am assuming that if you are buying a profitable doctor's practice that you are paying just a wee little bit more than $11,000 for it. Of course no one is going to offer you say a million or two dollars with no collateral.
But we aren't talking about anything like that. We are talking about a guy who theoretically needed $11 thousand, not $11 million. And we are talking about a guy that the bank knows that barring catastrophic injury is going to be making millions of dollars a few months from now. He's not going to have any problem at all paying back $11,000. So they probably make sure that he has an insurance policy that covers him for injury, which he should have anyway. But if he does that's a loan that the bank knows is going to get repaid 100% of the time. No bank would leave free money like that on the table.
Anybody would loan Wiseman money. $11,000 is going to become $11 to him in about 6 months.
