Congratulations to him. Wished Capel would take a page out of his book and hire package deal assistants
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Agreed. Yesterday was a very much needed win for them, next 2 games are against Kansas and they finish up at WVU.
They‘ve been slumping as of late and were in danger of sliding to the wrong side of the bubble. Even if they lose their last 3 and in the 1st round of the Big 12 tournament I think they’ve done enough.
They‘ve been slumping as of late and were in danger of sliding to the wrong side of the bubble. Even if they lose their last 3 and in the 1st round of the Big 12 tournament I think they’ve done enough.
Yea, they're probably in even if they lose out. 7-11 in the rugged Big 12 is enough. Yet, ND may go 15-5 and be on the bubble
I‘m sure they wouldn’t feel all that comfortable sitting there at 18-13 and it might mean they are stuck in Dayton, but they should be good. Had they not made that comeback yesterday it would’ve been a tough road.
I would want tlose all of the games, especially losing twice to WVU last game, and first game of Big 12 tourney possibly, but they should be ok. The Kansas games are basically a free roll.
He probably needs 1 more win to be completely safe.
Crazy though he has been a bubble guy for over 10 years now. What the heck happened? He was a HOF coach in the making until 2012.
He is the best coach in school history and maybe should have a statue built for him so I think updates on what he's doing is very relevant
Bubble coach at TCU is national champion contender coach at Kansas or Kentucky or sweet 16 coach at Pitt: It's not a disappointment, it's a historic high.
No it absolutely isnt. The name on the front of the jersey means nothing. Kids sign up to play for coaches. They dont care if the program is called Kentucky, Auburn, TCU, Texas Tech, LSU, or Duke. I give Dixon no credit for pumping up a dead program. Any "good coach" would have done the same thing and he's a good coach. If Carnegie Mellon joined the ACC and hired Musselman, they'd be in the NCAA Tournament in 2 years. Kids would transfer to play for the guru and could care less CMU was a bad D3 program forever. The HC is all that matters in college basketball
We should go to WVU to root him on. You’re WVU friendly, we’d be safe right?
This is such an asinine post and it fits with the narrative your pumping when talking about lottery ticket vs “guarantee” coaches. If it was so easy to turn a program around there wouldn’t be so many bad programs. The fact is, there are only a very small handful of coaches (<10) who could go to any school in the country and win immediately. For everyone else, the school matters.
If Musselman, Oats, Pearl, Jay Wright, etc all took over NEC programs, the NEC would be P6ish before too long. The name of the program means nothing. Players sign up to play for a HC. They don't care at all about the campus, facilities, conference, or how many NCAA Tournaments that team made in the 80s and 90s.
Well, I mean, sure…I guess, but you’ve named like 4 people. 2 of which have never made a elite 8, unlike Jamie.
Jamie is never going to recruit like those guys, but he’s a really good coach. If he got the UCLA job that TCU blocked, is there any doubt he would have pretty close to the success that Cronin has had? That’s Jamie’s level.
But Mussleman and Oats went to Alabama and Arkansas, places that have won a lot of basketball games, certainly easier to win than TCU. I mean, look at Buzz Williams, Shaka…those guys seemed like slam dunks- it doesn’t always work out.
Jamie getting back to the NCAAs this year was big for him down there. I wonder if he makes one last move soon, maybe go to a little more established program?
Alabama and Arkansas are no easier to win at than TCU. No program is easier to win at than any other. The HC is all that matters. If we hire Oats and Alabama hired Capel, our records would be reversed. A name of the school doesn't win games. A coach does.
We’ll agree to disagree there. I mean, if I accept your position, why isn’t Iona, who has the best coach in America, not picked for the Final Four?
According to your logic, Pitino should be getting the same players he would get at Louisville or Kentucky. But of course he isn’t.
Again. The number of coaches for whom this is true is profoundly small. I’d say less than 5. That’s my point. Which you ignored.
If Pitino was 20 years younger, then they would be the next Gonzaga. In Year 2, he has Iona at 23-5. If he stays there, they may be in a Final Four before long.
I actually think SMF is mostly right. Surely he’s exaggerating but I’m confused how you think Pitino disproves his theory.
Iona is 15-2 in conference play. 23-5. And a Top 90 team. At a true mid major. Not even an A10/Big East/MWC/WCCtype program.
Jamie once looked like the Top 10 type coach who could have any program he went to basically a Top 15 team. But we’ve seen over the last 10 years he’s just a good coach who had everything line up here that made us elite.
He’ll have you competitive every year and most years on the bubble. That should be enough for us here but there’s such extreme takes about him here.
We definitely can land someone here who is as good of a coach as Jamie post 2012.
I sure hope so because we are 0-2 thus far and it hasn't even been close.
We’ve hired two coaches who don’t want to be here and haven’t given 100% of what they are capable of to win here.
We all know the Stallings stuff and the more that comes out about Capel… it just seems like he was almost “assigned” here. And somewhat resents that to some degree.
There’s absolutely zero doubt in my mind we can’t be what TCU has been the last several years.
If we don’t think we can consistently be that…. We should stop paying our basketball coach $3.5-4 mil and just hire some WPIAL coach and invest everything into football.
Let’s hire our own Howland/Dixon/Forbes… and see where that takes us.
Arkansas has a title in recent history had 3 final fours in the 90s
You should talk much less
OK, let me go into further detail.
Top 150s do want to play P6 basketball so while you get the occasional Stansbury at Western Kentucky buying Top 150s, most of those kids want to play at a P6. So in that regard, a school being called St. John's has a significant advantage over a team whose jersey says Iona. So Pitino, this early in his tenure cannot recruit at a Louisville level at a mid-major. Now, if he was younger, he'd build them into Gonzaga but that would take time.
Now, if Iona was added to the Big East or ACC tomorrow, Pitino would land top classes. Its why I said if CMU was added to the ACC and Musselman took over, they'd be in the NCAAT in 2 years. All Musselman (and other elite coaches) need is a P6 school name. Nothing else is required as Auburn and Alabama show. If CMU moved to the NEC and Musselman took over, his recruiting is much more limited. Now, in my example of all the SEC coaches going to the NEC, I meant that if they ALL went and then the NEC would in effect become a "P6." If 1 or 2 go to the NEC, it would still be difficult to recruit.
But getting back to Jamie, the fact his team is called TCU means absolutely nothing. Kids dont care what P6 they play at, as long as they like the coach. People say well TCU sucked forever. Fantastic. Who was coaching them? When Billy Tubbs coached them, he made 1 NCAAT and 2 NITs and never had a record worse than 18-14 in 5 years. If you hire a good coach, they are going to win.
People say you cant win at Pitt. There's no local recruits. The fanbase is negative. Eff all of that. A good coach (like Dixon) will win here. In Dixon's case, he's a good, but not great coach so a coach like that will have us at bubble status. An elite coach like Pearl, Musselman, Oats, Wright, etc will have us in the Top 10 in 2 years.
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Great example. Thank you. Arkansas won with a HOF coach and then did nothing for a few decades and now are winning again. Musselman's isn't getting 1 recruit because Lee Mayberry and Todd Day and Corliss Williamson played there 10 years before they were born.
If it was only that easy , let’s hire a great coach that win championships , yeah sounds like a great idea ! Every team in every sport who ever hired a coach thinks it’s hiring the coach that s going to lead them to the promised land .
I honestly believe that KS thought it would be a lot easier to win and recruit at Pitt than Vanderbilt.…… surprise !
I honestly believe that JC thought it would be a lot easier to win and recruit at Pitt than it’s turned out to be .
I just hope the next coach whomever it is and whenever they come in here doesn’t find out that they thought it would be a lot easier to win and recruit at Pitt !
Did I say anything about championships? Just on the bubble most years.
Stallings has literally said since he’s retired that he didn’t care much at Pitt - he was more focused on his son’s career.
Capel has made it clear if you pay enough attention that he doesn’t really like it here either - and he can’t win as a HC. Which there was proof of before he was hired.
Stallings retired after Vanderbilt. I am sure he was absolutely amazed that a P6 offered him a 7 figure retirement gift. He didn't try here but where did he admit that? Do you have a link?
And Capel? Come on. The guy is just a bad coach. He got lucky at VCU, finding a lower-rated guy who ended up an NBA player in Eric Maynor and got lucky with Blake Griffin. His record vs P6 teams without Blake Griffin is appalling. He is a great guy and all that but just a really bad coach. Its not a reflection on Pitt at all.
Never heard anything of the like regarding JC .
KS was never wanted here from day 1 and people weren’t shy about it saying it .
Don’t think anyone at Pitt wants to eat JC contract so they can hire someone who makes Pitt a bubble team most yrs . A bubble team won’t sell enough tickets to justify the cost . IMO .
This is the scary thing for Heather. She doesn't get a 3rd basketball hire if her next one fails. I don't see how she can just hire the flavor of the month mid-major and hope it turns out for the best. I think she has to go for that hire that when other fans see it come across the ESPN ticker, they say, "huh, why would he leave there to coach Pitt?"
In an Athletic article from earlier this month:
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“I used to tell my staff at Vanderbilt — these were my exact words — ‘Don’t let (your) kid become a major-league baseball player, because I’m out of here,’” Kevin says. “I used to tell my staff that all the time.
“‘He’d better not make it to the major leagues or you guys will see me in the rear-view mirror.’ So I guess I was fired into retirement at just the right time.”
Again. There are only like... 4 "guarantees" out there. Pitt will not be a contender for any of them. Pitt will be taking a lottery ticket whether they're hired by Lyke or you.
The guarantee thing is one of these stupid SMF things where he just refuses to live in reality.
Pitt is not hiring Calipari, Pitino, or Oats.
That doesn’t mean we should just keep Capel forever because we aren’t going to hire anybody like that.
People often forget the coaches that made Pitt basketball great were a Northern Colorado HC and then his assistant… two “lottery tickets”.
When I say "guarantee," I mean guaranteed to be at least a Dixon II bubble program because that's good enough. Making the NCAAT's 3 out of 4 years is good enough. I'm not asking for a for a Top 10 program. So like Dixon is a guarantee. Buzz Williams, Kevin Willard, Ed Cooley, people like that. Or a cant miss high major like a Medved.
