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Jamie going dancing

They have a 25% chance of hitting on a lottery ticket. Too risky.

You can say this all you want but unless there’s a donor willing to contribute millions per year so that we can pay our coach $6-7 mil, none of those guys are coming here.

So our options are to either hire some retread “name” coach…. Like say Turegon. This is the process that gave us Stallings or Capel.

Or hire an up and coming coach who’s hungry and determined to win.

I’ll take the latter for our current situation.
 
You can say this all you want but unless there’s a donor willing to contribute millions per year so that we can pay our coach $6-7 mil, none of those guys are coming here.

So our options are to either hire some retread “name” coach…. Like say Turegon. This is the process that gave us Stallings or Capel.

Or hire an up and coming coach who’s hungry and determined to win.

I’ll take the latter for our current situation.
Why do our donors only pay big bucks to buy out coaches but not hire coaches?

I mean if I was a mega-rich donor and Heather called me for buyout money, I'd say nope, but put me down for X amount for a "guarantee" when you're hiring again.
 
Why do our donors only pay big bucks to buy out coaches but not hire coaches?

I mean if I was a mega-rich donor and Heather called me for buyout money, I'd say nope, but put me down for X amount for a "guarantee" when you're hiring again.
The boosters do both
 
Yea, they're probably in even if they lose out. 7-11 in the rugged Big 12 is enough. Yet, ND may go 15-5 and be on the bubble
Yea, they're probably in even if they lose out. 7-11 in the rugged Big 12 is enough. Yet, ND may go 15-5 and be on the bubble
It’s like the wpial, a 4 - 16 overall record or a 2 - 8 conference record gets you in the playoffs
 
I might be wrong , but I think he really thought he could be successful here . No doubt he didn’t feel that way for long !
I don't even think he thought about it. He was entering retirement and someone offered him a few million to delay it a couple years. What's to think about?
 
He made plenty of money already , he didn’t need money .
I know everyone here believes that nobody makes decisions for money but for a lot of people, even rich people, if they are about to be fired into retirement and some other company comes along and says "if you delay retirement for 4 years, I'll give you $12 million," a whole lot of people would say yes to that.
 
Well, I mean, sure…I guess, but you’ve named like 4 people. 2 of which have never made a elite 8, unlike Jamie.

Jamie is never going to recruit like those guys, but he’s a really good coach. If he got the UCLA job that TCU blocked, is there any doubt he would have pretty close to the success that Cronin has had? That’s Jamie’s level.

But Mussleman and Oats went to Alabama and Arkansas, places that have won a lot of basketball games, certainly easier to win than TCU. I mean, look at Buzz Williams, Shaka…those guys seemed like slam dunks- it doesn’t always work out.

Jamie getting back to the NCAAs this year was big for him down there. I wonder if he makes one last move soon, maybe go to a little more established program?
Did you really just say Jamie, who has won, what, 1 NCAAT game in like 11 years would have been as successful as Cronin at UCLA? Based on what?

Cronin was Pac-12 Coach of the Year in year 1. Went to the Final Four last year. And has had his team basically in and around the top 5 this entire year.

He's absolutely the guy we should have hired right after Dixon set sails.
 
Did you really just say Jamie, who has won, what, 1 NCAAT game in like 11 years would have been as successful as Cronin at UCLA? Based on what?

Cronin was Pac-12 Coach of the Year in year 1. Went to the Final Four last year. And has had his team basically in and around the top 5 this entire year.

He's absolutely the guy we should have hired right after Dixon set sails.

Yea, that was a stange comment. Cronin is a much better coach. People forget he took over a dismantled Cincy program. I think Dixon is a good coach but he took over a machine at Pitt
 
Did you really just say Jamie, who has won, what, 1 NCAAT game in like 11 years would have been as successful as Cronin at UCLA? Based on what?

Cronin was Pac-12 Coach of the Year in year 1. Went to the Final Four last year. And has had his team basically in and around the top 5 this entire year.

He's absolutely the guy we should have hired right after Dixon set sails.
Cronin had 1 Sweet Sixteen appearance in his 13 years at Cincinnati.
 
I know everyone here believes that nobody makes decisions for money but for a lot of people, even rich people, if they are about to be fired into retirement and some other company comes along and says "if you delay retirement for 4 years, I'll give you $12 million," a whole lot of people would say yes to that.
Money is always a consideration and it’s hard to turn down 2+ million a yr , but there’s a time everyone walks away . He’d have never taken the job if he was burnt out .

A 28 yr old all pro guard for the Bucs just retired , he knew it was time . Money isn’t everything !
 
Money is always a consideration and it’s hard to turn down 2+ million a yr , but there’s a time everyone walks away . He’d have never taken the job if he was burnt out .

A 28 yr old all pro guard for the Bucs just retired , he knew it was time . Money isn’t everything !
Even if he was burned out, Stallings could have slept through the job (and did) for a few years and netted millions. It could very well been a money thing to him.
 
Even if he was burned out, Stallings could have slept through the job (and did) for a few years and netted millions. It could very well been a money thing to him.
He was the wrong coach at the wrong time , but I doubt he took the job with the intentions of sleep walking ( ha ha ) through the job .

We can all believe what we to about the man , but those who knew him the best ( excluding his assistant’s ) were his players . Not one has come forward with any negative comments and his 3 best players just picked up and left Pitt without any thought of staying aboard once he was fired .
 
Huge win for Dixon.

There is no doubt he would have had success in this weak ACC. I’d just like to say - FU to the big boosters and Barnes who thought we could do better.
Yea, Dixon would have, at minimum maintained Dixon II level in this ACC. He was trending towards some bad years (as he left with only 2 ACC-level Underclassmen in the program in Cam and Luther) but he would have eventually righted the ship.
 
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Yea, Dixon would have, at minimum maintained Dixon II level in this ACC. He was trending towards some bad years (as he left with only 2 ACC-level Underclassmen in the program in Cam and Luther) but he would have eventually righted the ship.
Yeah all he left was 4 starters
A player who got almost 25 minutes per game at Arizona
and a future NBA first round pick
 
Yeah all he left was 4 starters
A player who got almost 25 minutes per game at Arizona
and a future NBA first round pick
He would have gotten that team to the NCAAT. It may have killed him but he would have. But the next year, they would have been like 4-16 in the ACC as just Cam and Luther were left. He would have had 2, maybe 3 years without a bid while he built the program back up. There was nothing left beyond Cam and Luther.
 
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He would have gotten that team to the NCAAT. It may have killed him but he would have. But the next year, they would have been like 4-16 in the ACC as just Cam and Luther were left. He would have had 2, maybe 3 years without a bid while he built the program back up. There was nothing left beyond Cam and Luther.
I trust Dixon’s talent evaluation over yours
 
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I trust Dixon’s talent evaluation over yours

What are you talking about? His recruiting and talent evaluation is what lead to the decline. His Stallings Year 2 team would have been:

PG - Jonathan Milligan
SG - Damon Wilson
SF - Cam Johnson
PF - Ryan Luther
C - Corey Manigault

Bench
Justice Kithcart
Rozelle Nix

You know darn well that that team was going to be really really bad.
 
What are you talking about? His recruiting and talent evaluation is what lead to the decline. His Stallings Year 2 team would have been:

PG - Jonathan Milligan
SG - Damon Wilson
SF - Cam Johnson
PF - Ryan Luther
C - Corey Manigault

Bench
Justice Kithcart
Rozelle Nix

You know darn well that that team was going to be really really bad.
It would be substantially better than 0-18
 
What are you talking about? His recruiting and talent evaluation is what lead to the decline. His Stallings Year 2 team would have been:

PG - Jonathan Milligan
SG - Damon Wilson
SF - Cam Johnson
PF - Ryan Luther
C - Corey Manigault

Bench
Justice Kithcart
Rozelle Nix
You know darn well that that team was going to be really really bad.
No one knows who else they bring in? You are saying there would be no transfers or recruits?

You can keep up this idiotic narrative all you want to justify you screaming to constantly push him out, but you are dead wrong.
 
I trust Dixon’s talent evaluation over yours
Jamie knew talent , but SMF is 100% correct , behind that senior class Pitt had nothing other than Cam and Luther and this is coming from a big JD supporter . For several yrs Jamie had struggled recruiting and Cam and Luther were only offered out of necessity when his main targets went elsewhere . Jamie searched everywhere for grad transfers to fill out his roster , but wasn’t getting any of the better players available . Recruiting has been a Pitt problem not just a JC problem for some time now .

There’s no argument that Pitt would’ve never sunk to the depths it has had JD stayed . The Golden era of Pitt bb was over .
 
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It is tough to swallow that on a night we are beaten at home by 30 to a top 5 team a team at TCU coached by Jamie Dixon is beating a top 5 team at home.
 
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No one knows who else they bring in? You are saying there would be no transfers or recruits?

You can keep up this idiotic narrative all you want to justify you screaming to constantly push him out, but you are dead wrong.
Of course he would have brought in players but Jamie rarely brought in impact freshman. Sure there was Blair, Adams, etc, but his program wasnt built to rely on freshmen to save the day. And this was an era before the mass transfers. It is completely unlikely that Jamie would have brought in new players to make that team much better.

He had nothing besides Cam and Luther. Its ok. He hit a bad period. There were going to be a few bad years but he would have righted the ship
 
Jamie knew talent , but SMF is 100% correct , behind that senior class Pitt had nothing other than Cam and Luther and this is coming from a big JD supporter . For several yrs Jamie had struggled recruiting and Cam and Luther were only offered out of necessity when his main targets went elsewhere . Jamie searched everywhere for grad transfers to fill out his roster , but wasn’t getting any of the better players available . Recruiting has been a Pitt problem not just a JC problem for some time now .

There’s no argument that Pitt would’ve never sunk to the depths it has had JD stayed . The Golden era of Pitt bb was over .

Very true. The Golden Era was done but Dixon II, going to the NCAAT 2 or 3 times in a 5 year period as a lower seed would have continued and that is pretty much the ceiling for this program.

Jamie had a lot of problems recruiting post-Slice and I dont mean to give Slice all the credit, just pointing out that when he left, that NY/NJ pipeline dried up whether its related or not. He adjusted at TCU and brought in package deal assistants. His 2 NCAAT's at TCU were made possible by 2 different package deal assistants. Congratulations to him.
 
It is tough to swallow that on a night we are beaten at home by 30 to a top 5 team a team at TCU coached by Jamie Dixon is beating a top 5 team at home.
But some posters on here and they know who they are wanted Jamie gone. Coaches have down years but Barnes and some boosters thought otherwise.
 
Not that SMF ever gives me credit when I get something right, but damn we might be close to a 2-7 Nova/Jamie game in Pgh, which would be epic. Nova has to win the BET, but I think Jamie is on the 7 line now.

If you sort of squint this is the closest Jamie has had to a glory years Pitt team at TCU. They have a Lett type at Center in Lumpkin (taller sure, but a load), quasi-elite PG in Miles, and just a bunch of depth and bodies at the wing. They play good D and can shoot a little. They would actually be a pretty tough out for a 2 seed, or even a 1 (not Gonzaga, but maybe Auburn) in Rd 2.
 
That Lumpkin kid, 6'11 beefy freshman. Ranked #321 by 247. Why couldn't he hit on those lottery tickets at Pitt?
He hit on quite a few lottery tickets. Even late in his run here I would certainly call Cam and Luther hits - Chris Jones etc. But I know what you are saying, although the problem for Dixon late was that some of the more highly ranked kids (Damon Wilson etc) didn’t pan out. Also, we sort of built our team around Young, Artis, Robinson - and those guys are good but not good enough to get to like the second weekend of the NCAAs (or with the wrong coach, even the NIT)
 
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