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Jay Wright Retires
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So you’d stay at a job you don’t like? Or your career isn’t advancing as you’d like? Or are just generally unhappy?
So they'll walk away from making 2-4-6 million a year to coach a game just because the players can now do what the coaches have always been able to do?!
Yes. They've made their millions why work a job that requires effort 365 days a year?
If he had not won a couple nattys, he would not be walking away. Unless he was going to the NBA.
Not until I found a reason within myself that I'm not happy at the job. I don't make excuses like that for leaving. I'd try and find ways I can improve at the job I currently have, ask some questions, expand my networks. Then find other parts of the company where I might be a better fit without leaving. If after I do everything I can to improve my outlook and performance I'm still unhappy, only then would I try and find a better fit elsewhere. But that would take a lot of doing on my part and a lot of time. Quitting isn't always the best answer.
But what do I know? I've only been at this for over 50 years and have been very successful. No one wants to know what I think.
Do the kids have buy-out clauses like coaches do where the school is compensated when they leave and I just missed it?
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But why do you assume that the players aren't doing that? How do we know that players aren't having earnest conversations with coaches or trying to find ways to make their current situation work before deciding to transfer?
This thread is just filled with a lot of negative assumptions about players and what is essentially a defense of the mangaer.
You could be right on that. I don't want to assume anything. I sure would like to know if that's the case, though. There are an awful lot of disgruntled players out there, apparently.
can we please stop with the “Jay Wright did things the right way” and the idea he was super clean? He was not, although he was cleaner than some of his peers.
His very first class was a Fred Hill bag that landed then a Top 5 class all from the NYC area. He had Chambers on the staff after that for a reason too and so on. Villanova was on probation for two years for violations under him.
It’s why an old guy is still on the road selling stuff -
85 isn’t the type to actually find any happiness
It's hypocrisy to not do that. I mean if you won't let the ego alums BUY players for you because you find that distasteful or something, just go to D3, either play full speed or don't play at all. They play half speed, shackle the money from NIL but gladly take the ACC money.
Drop to D3, if playing the sport is just a student activity and you're really there just for the academic part of the institution, then you likely will stick around because you're not there mostly for basketball.
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I think this whole working class hero narrative would fit a lot better if you’re taking about the contrast between revenue sport athletes and non revenue sport athletes. I feel a lot more sympathetic toward that wrestler or women’s swimmer whose programs just got cut for budgetary reasons, than toward the pampered prima donnas on the hoops or football teams.
Not sure what’s weirder-your animus towards the coaches, or your sympathy for those 18-22 year old kids—let’s not forget they are kids-playing football or basketball while getting the equivalent of 300-500k in education, housing, living stipends, tutoring, free $hit, special treatment everywhere they go, etc, all while living a college lifestyle that is incomprehensibly better than any normal student at the same school.
I think this whole working class hero narrative would fit a lot better if you’re taking about the contrast between revenue sport athletes and non revenue sport athletes. I feel a lot more sympathetic toward that wrestler or women’s swimmer whose programs just got cut for budgetary reasons, than toward the pampered prima donnas on the hoops or football teams.
LOL! What a fool. I'm not even in sales. I'm in Corporate Management and being asked to stay on because of the value I provide, while getting paid a lot more than you make. I'm totally happy with that. Please stay in your lane.
That was tough. I had to read the entire paragraph instead of just the sentence that Smokin’ Joe plucked from it.
I could kind of see it in the past when it was ‘illegal’, Pitt got PTSD from the veiled threats from the NCAA in the 80s (which never materialized, but we couldn’t be sure of that then). But NIL and the Era of the Unlimited Transfer now upon us means that a program need not be trapped in the bottom of the well forever. Thinking solely in terms of dollars (if the preferred track), NIL bonanzas for a few players is far better than throwing tons of money at a coach, first in salary and then in buyout, who simply isn’t going to succeed by doing things the current way. I’d also understand if Pitt were going .500 or thereabouts consistently this way, but the trends are ominous. We are finding it tougher each year to even attract bodies. I get Capel doesn’t develop ‘em all that well or draw up plays all that well either, and maybe there are coaches who would do better in those areas with less talent. But ultimately you need SOME legitimate talent.
We ain’t like St. Peter, playing in a crappy conference that cobbled together enough wins to get a NCAA auto bid and then miraculously went on a streak. And everyone points and says, hey look, they have all 0-star players, their coach coached ‘em UP, that’s what Pitt needs! First, when a garbage team like that wins those ‘miracle’ games, God love ‘em, they took their chance and ran with it… but rationally, it’s always on the more talented team in a loss like that; they were egregiously over confident and unmotivated, or poorly coached, or typically all three. Second, Pitt ain’t in that garbage conference; Pitt is in an outstanding conference with schools paying top notch salaries and buying players and great facilities. Pitt needs to be able to bring it. Pitt is not ever ever sniffing another tournament otherwise.
This is getting boring. Just responding to the bolded area, leave out the word "maybe". What you listed are all grounds for his dismissal and finding someone who can do the job. And Capel, with all of his numerous faults, actually did bring in some talent. The problem is they found good reasons to leave him behind. That's his own fault, not the school's or the program's.
$300-$500K in education, housing, etc. is still less than they deserve. There's no product without the players. Coaches like Izzo and Wright are making millions of dollars and effectively whining because their job is harder. I have no sympathy for them because their argument is rooted in denying players rights and options given to any other student athlete while at the same time defending the ability for coaches to over recruit, yank scholarships, or take a new job the day after signing day.
LOL! Yes, your facts. That doesn't make them facts. I'm done with this nonsense. Some on this board are simply intolerable. Continue with your delusion and silliness. It provides a good laugh.
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Or force them to live up to their contract, either that or penalize them for leaving early.
They do live up to their contract by abiding by the buyout clause. It seems reasonable to force them to sit out a year of games but still be able to coach the team in practice just likea a transfer player is allowed to practice but not play.
Maybe when there’s a contraction in major college sports, the resultant ‘second level’ division of leftovers (odds on Pitt falling into) will be wise enough to craft sane standards for both coaching contracts and player eligibility that is a happy medium. But otherwise the snake is out of the hole on both these topics now.
I agree players should be paid salaries. I don't agree with illegal pay for play (disguised as NIL). Just pay them directly. And I dont agree with free agency. Combining that with NIL is an absolute disaster.
That is what the buyout does, penalizes them for leaving early. It also penalizes the schools for firing them. Works both ways.
The issue is that it really isn’t much of a penalty/deterrent (to the coach who quits early) if the new school picks up the buyout. Since a coach is almost always quitting to move up in class, the new school typically is in the better financial situation to do that. What to do about that, at least to stay constitutional, I don’t know.
Certainly the firing school does take a legit penalty though in that situation though.
Unfortunately the coaches are living up to their contracts. Almost all, if not all, have buyouts which allows coaches to leave as long as the buyout is paid. You may not like it but it's part of their contract and thus not as bad as you want to make it out to be. Now if the schools don't allow buyouts in the contracts. That's a whole other issue.
I’m not kidding when I say this has to be one of the worst posts of all time lmfao. Why are you jealous of basketball and football players status? We value their skills in society more than a swimmer or wrestler. Pay people their fair market value. That’s all
I think they shouldn't. I know it would never happen, but what would happen if all the schools voluntarily went D3? No scholarships, no jock dorms, no special facilities, made it just an activity for whatever students wanted to try out. Would you all stop watching? Would Bama's fans stop watching? Would TV stop broadcasting? I wouldn't, I'd watch it just as much as I do now. Just because the helmets or uniforms say ''Pitt'' on them.
You forget that casual fans would stop tuning in to CBB/CFB, and even if you’re a Pitt fan you’re probably not tuning into Bama if they don’t have talent.
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