Jeff Capel and his imo telling and worrisome quote

[Fk_Pitt]

Has it killed the season for our opponents?

Yeah. I don’t understand that take at all.

 

[JRPITT]

I remember when a Pitt game mattered........ covid killed these seasons.
no excuse but it did.
You think Capel wanted to come to a empty gym to coach ?

It's an empty gym for every coach. Just saying.

 

[iMissTheOldDayss]

Toney has had his own issues with attitude. I am not overly confident he can provide the type of leadership you referenced w Carl and Graves.

Lol exactly...Toney is no leader, not even close, he won't even be here next year

 

[levance2]

Waving your arms around every time you make a basket, chirping at the refs, barking at the other teams bench, throwing up 3 point signs every time you make a 3 or making a layup and then walking back on transition defense while celebrating is not leading. Its poor attitude and poor leadership.

Which is why the "We can't afford to bench XJ" argument is silly. It was clear from the moment XJ stepped on the floor for Pitt that he was going to be our leader, for what we hoped would be a 4-year career. There's zero rationale for Capel tolerating anything other than full buy-in to his coaching philosophy from a guy like that.

When you allow your team leader to ignore the staff's direction, you are fostering a mutiny. Anything after that is squarely on the coach. Capel has set the precedent over three seasons that he tolerates bulls*** from his star players. It is incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to rectify that.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Which is why the "We can't afford to bench XJ" argument is silly. It was clear from the moment XJ stepped on the floor for Pitt that he was going to be our leader, for what we hoped would be a 4-year career. There's zero rationale for Capel tolerating anything other than full buy-in to his coaching philosophy from a guy like that.

When you allow your team leader to ignore the staff's direction, you are fostering a mutiny. Anything after that is squarely on the coach. Capel has set the precedent over three seasons that he tolerates bulls*** from his star players. It is incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to rectify that.

This is something I’ve been thinking too. Like when Howland took over. He cleaned house. And didn’t they put an ad in the student paper for some practice bodies? But the point is that Howland laid the foundation. I’m sure that beginning was rough but he laid a foundation.

 

[levance2]

This is something I’ve been thinking too. Like when Howland took over. He cleaned house. And didn’t they put an ad in the student paper for some practice bodies? But the point is that Howland laid the foundation. I’m sure that beginning was rough but he laid a foundation.

To be fair, Capel "cleaned house" too. He brought in his own guys and almost everyone from that Stallings team left. He made it clear that this was a different program and I'm sure that at least somewhat played into guys like Carr leaving. Stevenson stayed but it became clear he wasn't a priority for Capel so he left too.

The issue is that AFTER he did all that, he let XJ/Trey/Toney play almost without any constraints because he was trying to show definitive improvement in his debut season. I can't fault him for that, but it is really easy in hindsight to say we could've lost a couple more games in that already-forgotten season if it meant putting XJ and Toney on a more successful track, which would be paying off right now. There's no coach in the country who can modify the trajectory of a three-year starter.

If you get a puppy and let it pee all over your carpet for a year, you can't then say, "I don't know why he's still doing this."

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

To be fair, Capel "cleaned house" too. He brought in his own guys and almost everyone from that Stallings team left. He made it clear that this was a different program and I'm sure that at least somewhat played into guys like Carr leaving. Stevenson stayed but it became clear he wasn't a priority for Capel so he left too.

The issue is that AFTER he did all that, he let XJ/Trey/Toney play almost without any constraints because he was trying to show definitive improvement in his debut season. I can't fault him for that, but it is really easy in hindsight to say we could've lost a couple more games in that already-forgotten season if it meant putting XJ and Toney on a more successful track, which would be paying off right now. There's no coach in the country who can modify the trajectory of a three-year starter.

If you get a puppy and let it pee all over your carpet for a year, you can't then say, "I don't know why he's still doing this."

We agree. My overall point is that a new coach has to establish the ground rules. If they’re repeatedly violated it can’t be tolerated. If those guys are playing outside of what Capel wants it’s no good on many levels. For today and every day after.

From everything I know Howland never relented. It appears Capel may have. I certainly don’t know but it’s not a crazy theory.