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When we’were cutting the deficit he fouled on a rebound he should have had, then played bad defense, the guy missed, he let him rebound and score. There was even more, but I fotget.
He was the biggest reason we did not get closer.
Men's Basketball vs Monmouth on 12/12/2021 - Box Score - Pitt Panthers #H2P
The official box score of Men's Basketball vs Monmouth on 12/12/2021
As I said, he would be an 8-9 PPG guy at Gannon. He has absolutely no basketball skill whatsoever. Its unbelievable he has to play as much as he does. He reminds me of Kham Davis. Looks the part physically but just no ability.
If its me, I'd go
PG - Onye
SG - Femi
SF - Burton
PF - Gueye
C - Hugley
6th: Santos
7th: Jeffress
I also may try Jeffress as an undersized 4. Maybe he can drive around a bigger player.
Jeffress literally shows no flashes of ever being more than a “hey he hustles and tries really hard” guy
Men's Basketball vs Monmouth on 12/12/2021 - Box Score - Pitt Panthers #H2P
The official box score of Men's Basketball vs Monmouth on 12/12/2021
The walkon point guard had an ORTG of 5. 5!!!! The walkon point guard almost single handily buried this team early on in this game and was the sole reason this team was so far behind in the first 5 minutes of the game where the hole was 10 points fast.
The 2 worst players in this game statistically were the walkon point guard and Nate Santos and it really wasnt all that close.
If you added up the walkon point guards points, assists, and rebounds all together, he still had more turnovers in this game than the former 3 stat categories combined. That's how terrible the walkon point guard was. And he started over Femi in this game, the even bigger joke of it.
You talking about the walk on point guard Willis?
I talking about the top recruit that played 33 minutes and had 2 points and 4 rebounds and overall stunk.
See the difference?
I said Santos missed 3 very make able Layups. I don’t reserve you criticism for Jeffress and Collier.
Im talking about Eze who was a total disaster. Turnovers lost the game in the end, which is what I warned about.
The walk on point guard only plays because Capel did not fill the last scholarship and we had our annual trouble with the law, lose half a season event.
You can’t blame a player who has no business playing the time he is.
On the other hand, you can blame a player for doing next to nothing, playing the time one would expect with his pedigree.
Jeffress did not play well on offense so Im not disagreeing with you. Jeffress had 1 turnover on a team that cant stop turning the ball over.
The BPM, not plus minus, but the BPM plus minus efficiency stats read as follows,
Eze- 32 minutes played, -11
Santos- 9 minutes played, -16
Jeffress- 33 minutes played, -5
The first 2 players were by far the problem in this game.
How about having a team of players that aren’t minus against Citadel or Monmouth?
Is that too much to ask?
How much time does one need to provide THAT?
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By this measure the walk on was even. Second best on the team.
He was probably told to put it up since no one else was scoring , but he looked terrible tonight . Forced way too much .
Are you going to be blaming the student managers next? How bout the staff member who does the tweeting? Your boy, Jeffress was a Top 75 recruit and would be a role player on a D2 team and that's no exaggeration. One of the most overrated players I've ever seen.
Ezzy, the walk on had a
miserable game for us,
as did Jeffress. Neither
one of them would start
for Monmouth. That alone
tells you where this team
is. In fact Monmouth has
at least three players who
IMO would start for us.
I posted twice before this
game that they had beaten
St. Joe's, Princeton, Cincinnati,
and played St. John's close.
BTW, all these games were
away.
miserable game for us,
as did Jeffress. Neither
one of them would start
for Monmouth. That alone
tells you where this team
is. In fact Monmouth has
at least three players who
IMO would start for us.
I posted twice before this
game that they had beaten
St. Joe's, Princeton, Cincinnati,
and played St. John's close.
BTW, all these games were
away.
It doesn't have to be either/or. The problem is that at the end of the game, when we were making our comeback, we had two guys on the court who played a combined 64 minutes and were 1-8 from the field, 0-5 from three, 0-2 from one, for a total of two points, which came with only 39+ minutes left to go in the game.
Add in their combined 1 assist and 4 turnovers and it's hard to make a comeback playing 3 on 5 like that.
At one point late in the game Ezeakudo was standing beyond the three point line in front of the Pitt bench. The guy who was guarding him in the Monmouth man-to-man was standing with one foot in the paint. When the ball went into Hugley in the post on the opposite side of the court it was Ezeakudo's man who was the double team. Because they didn't think that it was even worth bothering to guard him at all.
Add in their combined 1 assist and 4 turnovers and it's hard to make a comeback playing 3 on 5 like that.
At one point late in the game Ezeakudo was standing beyond the three point line in front of the Pitt bench. The guy who was guarding him in the Monmouth man-to-man was standing with one foot in the paint. When the ball went into Hugley in the post on the opposite side of the court it was Ezeakudo's man who was the double team. Because they didn't think that it was even worth bothering to guard him at all.
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To be fair though, neither St. Joe's or Princeton are any good.
I mean they are both better than us, but neither is actually any good.
You simply can't even think
about winning with stats
like that from your starters.
Ezzy has given us is all, but
he's a walk on for a reason.
As far as leaving Ezzy open
in three land, and doubling
down on our best player
with the guard guarding
Ezzy, that was smart.
BTW for me, the only reason
it was close at the end is
because Monmouth was
clueless against our zone.
Our zone was nothing
special, they just didn't
know how to attack it.
They even matched our
one man point, with a
point of their own. Also,
some terrible subbing by
them helped our cause.
Too little too late for us.
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I do find it impressive they are 8-2 and they played 8 road games this year. Last I looked which isnt often Monmouth was ranked in the National Top 40 or so on the National NET rankings.
They would without question beat a number of ACC teams at home or on the road. And no, Im not trying to find a moral victory here, lol. I think being a winning road warrior like they are takes guts.
Yeah, but they basically weren't even bothering to guard him in the first place.
As I tried to tell someone a couple games ago, it doesn't matter if he might theoretically make them if he shoots them if he basically refuses to shoot them in the first place.
Totally agree. I just used it
as a reference point to give
a little pre game perspective.
Also all on the road. Also a
win at Cincinnati, and a very
close loss at St. John's. I
watched that game, and they
were in it all the way.
Maybe not WVU, but I
wouldn't be surprised to
see them beat the others
we've faced.
Of course they weren't
guarding him in the first
place.....I'm sure they scouted
us and knew what Ezzy was.
When you can double inside
with a guard and get away
with it...nothing more to be
said. LOL
They are good enough to be one of the favorites in their league, and that's pretty much what you want at a school like that.
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I like Jeffress more than you do, and I think he's a pretty good defender. But he was very poor on the offensive end this evening for sure.
I have to admit, I expected
much more out of him. In
fact pre season, I posted
that I thought he has a lot
of innate talent. I like his
hustle, he rebounds well
for his size, but offensively
I haven't seen that "talent."
I'm not so sure it's even
innate at this point.
You forgot to mention his only 2 pts of the game were Pitt’s first 2 of the game, at like the 19:12. I remember it being an aggressive drive to the basket and I’m thinking now that’s a nice different looking Will.
Of course he didn’t score the rest of the game. What’s worse, the entire Pitt team didn’t get another bucket until what, 6 minutes or so left in the half. 13 minutes without a bucket??
Surprisingly, they definitely were clueless when we went to our zone, they looked fairly inept.
Pointing the finger at these kids isn’t it. Will is going to be fine. As a top 100 you’d expect more but the kid has game. I’ve seen it many times. He’s been forced into action his first two seasons. He’s a kid that redshirts as a freshman and hardly plays year two. He’s going to be good. If you can’t see that I can’t help you.
no shit he’s having a tough go on the court offensively. There’s zero rhythm. They don’t have a point guard. They have 9 warm bodies. He’s forced into a role he shouldn’t be in. He’s going to be exposed.
Stop beating a dead horse over this kid.
no shit he’s having a tough go on the court offensively. There’s zero rhythm. They don’t have a point guard. They have 9 warm bodies. He’s forced into a role he shouldn’t be in. He’s going to be exposed.
Stop beating a dead horse over this kid.
Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and call him a freshman. He was a Top 75 Class of 21 player. Someone ranked that high should show you some type of sign that they can play. He looks like a walk-on out there or a deep fallback option that has to play due to numbers. I don't think anyone can argue he was highly overrated. He's more of a Top 300ish type who maybe is able to contribute some off the bench as a junior or senior.
There's a lot of moving parts with him. The grade out of high school wasn't based on what he's giving you now. He was playing mainly forward and hardly ever shot the ball behind the arc. He's transitioning to a 3 and D role at Pitt and that'll take time. I have no doubt he'll develop into a good 3pt shooter that can also straight line drive to the hoop. The defending is already there.
We all know that most of the better players to play for Dixon took a couple of years to get acclimated to college hoops and develop. I remember watching Lamar Patterson as an underclassman v. Texas and thought why in the heck did we recruit this kid?
It takes time. He has the build and can already defend at a P5 level. That's a pretty good building block if you're asking me.
It does take time, more
for some than for others.
I've posted all along that
it was "innate talent." In
other words, it's there but
we haven't seen it yet.
Maybe I'm wrong about
my perception. He's a
Pitt player, and I won't
give up on him. This should
be his freshman year, and
he should be being used
sparingly if it were a normal
situation. However he's
dealing with the reality of
this team's situation. I hope
he keeps his head, is able
to retain confidence, and
turns into the player many
of us thought he would be.
We're seeing the results of it.
I understand that recruiting and recruiting rankings are a gigantic crapshoot, but highly ranked players like Drumgoole and Jeffress have come here and chipped more paint off the rims than anything else. I do think Jeffress would have fit really well on the old Pitt teams because he seems very committed to defending, but I guess my question is how is it possible to be ranked so high and be such a poor offensive player?
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