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John Ourand bullish on ACC Network

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On podcast said he has done a 180 on his thoughts on the ACC Network and believes it will be a better success than expected. Said one year ago he was "bearish", but based on Verizon and Altice deals, and what he is hearing on upcoming negotiations, he is now "bullish".

John Ourand is plugged in with this stuff. Not always right, but knows his stuff.
 
Yes, I actually heard those comments on the Sports Media with Richard Deitsch podcast earlier today. Hope he is right. He seemed to be impressed with the deal the ACC network has with Verizon in particular.

Funny but I heard Clay Travis say the opposite last week on his periscope podcast. Claims that the ACC does not have a strong enough fan base to support it. He asserted that only the SEC and B1G conferences do. This opinion came on the heels of the news that the PAC 12 network has not panned out financially to date.
 
Yes, I actually heard those comments on the Sports Media with Richard Deitsch podcast earlier today. Hope he is right. He seemed to be impressed with the deal the ACC network has with Verizon in particular.

Funny but I heard Clay Travis say the opposite last week on his periscope podcast. Claims that the ACC does not have a strong enough fan base to support it. He asserted that only the SEC and B1G conferences do. This opinion came on the heels of the news that the PAC 12 network has not panned out financially to date.

Clay Travis is an idiot.

No other conference will match the BIG and SEC, but I think the ACC will be in the ballpark and competitive.
 
Well that's great. Because I have to admit I am most disappointed in the broadcast outlets and quality of the current ACC contract. I hate the Big Ten and the BTN, but it does a great job. Let's hope there is less Piggly Wiggly and more bigger picture. Jefferson Pilot is long gone.
 
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On podcast said he has done a 180 on his thoughts on the ACC Network and believes it will be a better success than expected. Said one year ago he was "bearish", but based on Verizon and Altice deals, and what he is hearing on upcoming negotiations, he is now "bullish".

John Ourand is plugged in with this stuff. Not always right, but knows his stuff.
I just hope it is going to have its own channel on DirecTV.
 
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This opinion came on the heels of the news that the PAC 12 network has not panned out financially to date.


So he made his opinion in 2012? Because that's when the PAC12 network started, and it is well known that it hasn't panned out financially right from day one.

The difference is that the Big Ten and the SEC partnered with Fox and ESPN respectively on their networks and they were successful. The PAC12 refused to partner with anyone and went it alone, and their network has been a borderline disaster. The ACC was smart enough to partner with ESPN, so it was almost a given from day one that the ACC network would be more successful than the PAC 12 network.
 
So he made his opinion in 2012? Because that's when the PAC12 network started, and it is well known that it hasn't panned out financially right from day one.

The difference is that the Big Ten and the SEC partnered with Fox and ESPN respectively on their networks and they were successful. The PAC12 refused to partner with anyone and went it alone, and their network has been a borderline disaster. The ACC was smart enough to partner with ESPN, so it was almost a given from day one that the ACC network would be more successful than the PAC 12 network.



On the other hand, if the fans are not interested what difference does it make who the partner is in these cases?

 
Well that's great. Because I have to admit I am most disappointed in the broadcast outlets and quality of the current ACC contract. I hate the Big Ten and the BTN, but it does a great job. Let's hope there is less Piggly Wiggly and more bigger picture. Jefferson Pilot is long gone.

Yes, I actually heard those comments on the Sports Media with Richard Deitsch podcast earlier today. Hope he is right. He seemed to be impressed with the deal the ACC network has with Verizon in particular.

Funny but I heard Clay Travis say the opposite last week on his periscope podcast. Claims that the ACC does not have a strong enough fan base to support it. He asserted that only the SEC and B1G conferences do. This opinion came on the heels of the news that the PAC 12 network has not panned out financially to date.

Clay Travis is an idiot. The ACC obviously doesn't have the football cache that the SEC and the BIG do in terms of attendance. But it does have some brands, three national champions, and one runner-up in the past seven years.

Network subscriptions are obviously akin to the attendance game we play. The SEC and the BIG are always going to have more subscribers based on the number of alums and t-shirt alums they have.

The ACC is a lot of smaller schools that simply can't compete on that level. Accordingly, it's likely the ACC Network won't pay out at the same levels of the other two networks. But over the next decade even those networks will feel the sting of the changes in how people view televised sports.

What the ACC does have, like the SEC is great baseball. They also have great lacrosse. Oh, and they have a basketball conference that is capable of sending over half their conference to the NCAA tournament almost every year.

The ACC network won't be an overnight success, but it will be fine. And when the profits from the network actually start hitting home at ACC schools that are in many cases a little tight on actual cash flow, other good things will start to happen.
 
I like John Ourand but it was very easy to predict what ACCN was going to do. Take what SECN makes and ACCN should make 80% of that. I mean what did people think? This is Duke and UNC basketball. Clemson and FSU football. And lots of other good programs.

I remember posting that the ACC should start a network way back when they took Pitt and everyone here thought that was impossible
 
On the other hand, if the fans are not interested what difference does it make who the partner is in these cases?


Fans of the schools involved certainly are interested. Are you saying that, for instance, USC doesn't have any fans? Or UCLA? Or Arizona? Sure, those schools might not be big draws in the eastern part of the US, but by the same token the SEC network doesn't make the money that they do because people in California are so interested in Mississippi or Mississippi State. The Big Ten doesn't make money because people in the southeast care about Minnesota or Wisconsin. Similarly, the ACC network isn't going to make money because people out west care about Pitt or Georgia Tech.

The reason why the partner matters is because by partnering with ESPN the SEC Network was guaranteed to get great coverage from cable and satellite systems. By partnering with Fox the Big Ten network was guaranteed to get great coverage from cable and satellite systems. The people running the PAC12 thought that they could get themselves the same level of coverage without having to partner with anyone, and therefore they could keep all the money. And instead they had a hard time getting anyone to give them coverage. For instance they have never been available on DirecTV, and DirecTV is by far the most important system to get their games on. The SEC could leverage other ESPN/Disney programming to get DirecTV (and others) to carry the channel. The same with the Big Ten and Fox. The same thing is going on now with the ACC and ESPN. And the PAC12 network continues to flounder. Not because there are no Stanford or Washington fans. Because the leaders of their conference allowed greed to lead them to a stupid decision.
 
On the other hand, if the fans are not interested what difference does it make who the partner is in these cases?


Because disney/ESPN will force the carriers to carry it. They are selling g this as a bundle with ESPN, the sec network, the other family of networks, disney channels and ABC. If the carriers say no, they get none of that, cable customers wont see games, and they threaten to leave.

Pac 12 went alone with no leverage.

Clay travis is a dolt.
 
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Clay Travis is an idiot. The ACC obviously doesn't have the football cache that the SEC and the BIG do in terms of attendance. But it does have some brands, three national champions, and one runner-up in the past seven years.

Network subscriptions are obviously akin to the attendance game we play. The SEC and the BIG are always going to have more subscribers based on the number of alums and t-shirt alums they have.

The ACC is a lot of smaller schools that simply can't compete on that level. Accordingly, it's likely the ACC Network won't pay out at the same levels of the other two networks. But over the next decade even those networks will feel the sting of the changes in how people view televised sports.

What the ACC does have, like the SEC is great baseball. They also have great lacrosse. Oh, and they have a basketball conference that is capable of sending over half their conference to the NCAA tournament almost every year.

The ACC network won't be an overnight success, but it will be fine. And when the profits from the network actually start hitting home at ACC schools that are in many cases a little tight on actual cash flow, other good things will start to happen.

Linear networks aren't about alumni and fan numbers, they're about subscription numbers. Alumni and fans can help demand a product be picked up, but that is sort of moot point with ESPN packaging it with its other networks. This is going to be forced onto most cable companies on the East Coast, from New England to Miami and out to Chicago and Kentucky, and all national carriers because ESPN will require it in order for cable and satellite to carry their other channels. While the ACC may not get the same in-market rates as the SEC, its footprint contains a lot more people. So there will be a trade off of in-market subscription price that probably won't match the SEC outside of the Carolinas vs the ACC's population volume. As for the B10 Network, there is no way the B10 is getting the same rate in NJ and Maryland as it is in Michigan and Ohio. I never understood the doom and gloom arguments about the ACC Network. There is a reason ESPN, which has a lot of experience with these networks, was willing to get behind this. The ACC Network may not be as lucrative as those two, or it may just as lucrative. We'll need a couple years to find out.
 
I like John Ourand but it was very easy to predict what ACCN was going to do. Take what SECN makes and ACCN should make 80% of that. I mean what did people think? This is Duke and UNC basketball. Clemson and FSU football. And lots of other good programs.

I remember posting that the ACC should start a network way back when they took Pitt and everyone here thought that was impossible
Just curious- how many times have dislocated your shoulder patting yourself on the back?
 
It’s not just Clay Travis, it’s a lot of people who have been predicting for several years now that the ACC Network would likely flop. However, they’ve never provided any real insights in their prognostications.

In fact, what we’ve seen has been a dramatic moving of the goal posts from those people.

It started with, “They will never get their own network because that league is going to break apart.”

Next, it was, “Okay, that league may not break apart for the foreseeable future, but they’re never going to get a network like the major conferences.”

Then, it was, “That network is never going to happen. What is taking so long? If it was really going to happen, we all would’ve heard something by now. My ‘sources’ are telling me that the project is dead but they don’t want to announce it yet.”

That was followed by, “Okay, it looks like the network is going to happen after all, and they are going to stay together, but their network will never meet expectations or projections.“

All baseless speculation.

Just last week, Jon Wilner from the San Jose Mercury News – who covers these types of things – also cast serious doubt on the ACC’s ability to make anywhere near the money that is being projected as part of an extensive series he is writing on the PAC 12’s precarious television situation.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/02...-erase-the-revenue-gap-within-the-power-five/

However, all of those people are ignoring some very big and obvious tells.

# The first was Pitt choosing the ACC over the Big 12. Why would we choose the former over the latter if we thought that in the long run, it was going to make substantially less money for us?

# The second tell came whenever all those other teams were trying to get into the ACC.

# The next tell came when Florida State and Clemson – who were long rumored to be joining the Big 12 and who were definitely approached about it —each decided to stay and commit to a long-term GOR.

Again, why would they do that to make less money?

# And, all along, ESPN has been intimately involved. Why would they get involved with this project, much less spearhead it, if it wasn’t going to make them a lot of money?

Pooh-poohing this makes no sense whatsoever and honestly, it never has.

The ACC does not have the passionate following, living alumni or market share to ever catch the Big Ten or the SEC. That’s just reality. However, it does have the most densely populated region of the country within its footprint and it has tremendous strength in the two major sports and more than enough strength in the other sports to do quite well.

I think it is going to slide in as third in the “Power Five” payment structure for the long-haul – which is perfectly in line with where it slides in from a television ratings perspective.

The Big 12 is a lot more limited from a television reach perspective and it is well chronicled that Oklahoma and Texas do not get along. Those are not good things for the long-term prospects of that conference. Honestly, what they’ve managed to do even up to this point has been pretty remarkable.

The PAC-12 has a lot more harmony but the stone cold fact of the matter is that their time zone dictates that they play most of their games outside the glare of the national spotlight. I’m not sure what they can do to change that outside of playing more early games, which is great for people in Pittsburgh, New York and Chicago, but not as great for people in Los Angeles, Portland and Seattle.

Also, I think Larry Scott and their league presidents made some terrible decisions with regard to their conference network. I think jumping into the pool without having any idea how deep it was, was a catastrophically moronic decision.

Scott arrogantly assumed because he was able to get some distribution with the Women’s Tennis Association, that he could do the same with a college sports network without any real experience in that regard, or any actual infrastructure or any semblance of leverage.

To quote those famous Guinness commercials, “Brilliant!”

Honestly, I don’t love the ACC. I still miss a lot of things about the Big East. Also, I still feel like an outsider in that conference and I suspect we always will be a “northern team.” However, when you look at it in such kill-or-be-killed terms, which is really the only honest way to look at it in this era of such brazen corporate raidership, it’s difficult to argue that things could’ve worked out much better for Pitt.
 
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Linear networks aren't about alumni and fan numbers, they're about subscription numbers. Alumni and fans can help demand a product be picked up, but that is sort of moot point with ESPN packaging it with its other networks. This is going to be forced onto most cable companies on the East Coast, from New England to Miami and out to Chicago and Kentucky, and all national carriers because ESPN will require it in order for cable and satellite to carry their other channels. While the ACC may not get the same in-market rates as the SEC, its footprint contains a lot more people. So there will be a trade off of in-market subscription price that probably won't match the SEC outside of the Carolinas vs the ACC's population volume. As for the B10 Network, there is no way the B10 is getting the same rate in NJ and Maryland as it is in Michigan and Ohio. I never understood the doom and gloom arguments about the ACC Network. There is a reason ESPN, which has a lot of experience with these networks, was willing to get behind this. The ACC Network may not be as lucrative as those two, or it may just as lucrative. We'll need a couple years to find out.

And to add to all the "but they should have done it earlier" crowd. ESPN wasnt moving forward without first ensuring the sec network worked. And unlike the Longhorns network where they attempted to launch mid contract with the providers and was shot down and lost a ton of money, they timed the launch of the sec network at the beginning of a renewal cycle, and once proved a success, they timed the launch of the acc network at the beginning of another negotiation cycle 5 years later. Its smart business on all sides.
 
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