Just for kicks, I looked at NCState's last 5 years...

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Only 2 home & home series....Tenn in 2014 & 2015.....Stanford in 2011 & 2013. They do have a nice series of opponents, but just single games....tournaments, maybe?? So getting home/home deals may not be as easy, or common...as some think. I realize this is a small sample, and I only looked at P5 schools.

 

[levance2]

They also had Cincy the last two years.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Only 2 home & home series....Tenn in 2014 & 2015.....Stanford in 2011 & 2013. They do have a nice series of opponents, but just single games....tournaments, maybe?? So getting home/home deals may not be as easy, or common...as some think. I realize this is a small sample, and I only looked at P5 schools.

Great. I looked at every P5 school last year, posted the results, then the thread got deleted. The results were that all but maybe 5 schools, I think played home and home OOC series over and above the mandated "conference challenge" game. I remember 3 of the schools that didnt were Pitt, Duke, and Penn State. There were a couple others. FWIW, Duke rarely plays home and home as they play big money neutral site contests in the NYC area.

NCSU is a bad example as they schedule pretty tough. You forgot they had a recent home and homes with Mizzou and Cincy.

If you want to play this game, we can. Lets look at ONLY who ACC teams scheduled as part of home and home series last season (not including tournaments or ACC/Big Ten)

4 games as part of a "home and home series"
Boston College: UMass, Prov, Harvard, USC
Georgia Tech: UGa, Vandy, Dayton, Charlotte

3 games
Clemson: Ark, Auburn, South Carolina

2 games
Virginia: VCU, GW (also played Davidson and Harvard but I'm not sure if those are home and homes)
NCSU: Ten, Cincy
Syr: SJU, Nova
Wake: Ark, Richmond
FSU: Florida, Miss St
Miami: Florida, Charlotte

1 game
North Carolina: Kentucky
Louisville: Kentucky
Virginia Tech: West Virginia

0 games:
Pitt (played "low level" Duquesne at Consol)
Duke (played UConn in NJ and Mich St in Chicago but no home and homes)
ND (plays either Ind, But, or Pur every year in Indy but not a home and home last year)


Listen, no matter what anybody wants to say, you can't argue the facts. Almost everybody has a good home and home series on the schedule. No, it doesnt have to be against Kansas, Kentucky, or Michigan State but we could very very easily schedule teams like OU, OKST, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Cincy, Temple, etc. Absolutely no question about it. Those games could easily get scheduled and ESPN would sign up to put it on during its slow December midweeks. Pitt simply does not want to play these games.

 

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Great. I looked at every P5 school last year, posted the results, then the thread got deleted. The results were that all but maybe 5 schools, I think played home and home OOC series over and above the mandated "conference challenge" game. I remember 3 of the schools that didnt were Pitt, Duke, and Penn State. There were a couple others. FWIW, Duke rarely plays home and home as they play big money neutral site contests in the NYC area.

NCSU is a bad example as they schedule pretty tough. You forgot they had a recent home and homes with Mizzou and Cincy.

If you want to play this game, we can. Lets look at ONLY who ACC teams scheduled as part of home and home series last season (not including tournaments or ACC/Big Ten)

4 games as part of a "home and home series"
Boston College: UMass, Prov, Harvard, USC
Georgia Tech: UGa, Vandy, Dayton, Charlotte

3 games
Clemson: Ark, Auburn, South Carolina

2 games
Virginia: VCU, GW (also played Davidson and Harvard but I'm not sure if those are home and homes)
NCSU: Ten, Cincy
Syr: SJU, Nova
Wake: Ark, Richmond
FSU: Florida, Miss St
Miami: Florida, Charlotte

1 game
North Carolina: Kentucky
Louisville: Kentucky
Virginia Tech: West Virginia

0 games:
Pitt (played "low level" Duquesne at Consol)
Duke (played UConn in NJ and Mich St in Chicago but no home and homes)
ND (plays either Ind, But, or Pur every year in Indy but not a home and home last year)


Listen, no matter what anybody wants to say, you can't argue the facts. Almost everybody has a good home and home series on the schedule. No, it doesnt have to be against Kansas, Kentucky, or Michigan State but we could very very easily schedule teams like OU, OKST, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Cincy, Temple, etc. Absolutely no question about it. Those games could easily get scheduled and ESPN would sign up to put it on during its slow December midweeks. Pitt simply does not want to play these games.

I said P5 schools......and only found one with Mizzou. I'm not sure why Pitt has taken a stance like this, but it really hasn't made a big difference. I don't recall your earlier thread on the subject, and picked NCState because of the Rowan commit.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I said P5 schools......and only found one with Mizzou. I'm not sure why Pitt has taken a stance like this, but it really hasn't made a big difference. I don't recall your earlier thread on the subject, and picked NCState because of the Rowan commit.

They played home and home with Mizzou in 2012 then 2013. Cincy isn't a P5 school but we have to look at basketball a little different. Its so much different than football. In bball, you still pretty much have a "Power 6" with the new Big East being part of that. Also, there are multiple teams in the American, A10, MWC, WCC, and MVC which are considered "major D1."

UConn
Cincy
Temple
SMU
VCU
Richmond
GW
UMass
Davidson
Dayton
Saint Louis
St. Joseph's
New Mexico
UNLV
Colorado State
San Diego State
BYU
Gonzaga
St. Mary's
Wichita State

Games against all of these opponents qualify as "high level home and homes" in my opinion and of this list, Pitt could probably call up right now and get a H&H with just about all of them for 2016 and 2017.

 

[R-M-U-h-o-o-p-s-f-a-n]

Pitt should try to get a home and home with those people you mentioned. Some of them ( like UMass, St. Joes, etc...) might even do a 2-1 deal with 2 games at Pitt and 1 game at their place.

But something like this should be done...sooner rather than later.

 

[Jeffburgh]

They absolutely should have a game in philly and nyc set up most years.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

They absolutely should have a game in philly and nyc set up most years.

Nova's never going to play us but Temple would. I wouldn't mind a home and home with Temple. A home and home with St. Joseph's would be pushing it but maybe if they played us at The Palestra or another larger Philly arena. I wouldn't mind 2 for 1's with LaSalle or Drexel (or Penn) if they played us in larger arenas.

I do think playing in Philly and NYC is important but probably not as important as some of us, myself included, think. Its more important to get guaranteed TV games. For example, I think its better for our NYC recruiting to play Oklahoma in Norman rather than Davidson in NYC on a Sunday afternoon on ESPNU during NFL games. The reason being is pretty simple. More NYC (and other recruits) are going to watch Pitt/OU on a Wednesday night in December on ESPN2 than Pitt/Dav on a Sunday afternoon on ESPNU. But, truthfully, recruiting has changed so much, I dont even think any of this really matters. Players are so different nowadays. Its not 1980 or 1990 anymore. All generations have differences and Millenials seem to be the "look at me" generation who are more selfish and into themselves than prior generations. They are going to be much more likely to be swayed by a "cool" coach rather than a team playing in their city a couple times per year.

 

[Zaratoughda]

Hmmmm SMF...

"I do think playing in Philly and NYC is important but probably not as important as some of us, myself included, think."

So, you don't think it is as important as you think it is.

LOL... at this point someone MIGHT just say.... you THINK too much.

 

[Zaratoughda]

Nova's never going to play us but Temple would. I wouldn't mind a home and home with Temple. A home and home with St. Joseph's would be pushing it but maybe if they played us at The Palestra or another larger Philly arena. I wouldn't mind 2 for 1's with LaSalle or Drexel (or Penn) if they played us in larger arenas.

I do think playing in Philly and NYC is important but probably not as important as some of us, myself included, think. Its more important to get guaranteed TV games. For example, I think its better for our NYC recruiting to play Oklahoma in Norman rather than Davidson in NYC on a Sunday afternoon on ESPNU during NFL games. The reason being is pretty simple. More NYC (and other recruits) are going to watch Pitt/OU on a Wednesday night in December on ESPN2 than Pitt/Dav on a Sunday afternoon on ESPNU. But, truthfully, recruiting has changed so much, I dont even think any of this really matters. Players are so different nowadays. Its not 1980 or 1990 anymore. All generations have differences and Millenials seem to be the "look at me" generation who are more selfish and into themselves than prior generations. They are going to be much more likely to be swayed by a "cool" coach rather than a team playing in their city a couple times per year.

The bottom line on this whole thing is that our major recruiting area was metro NYC, NJ, and eastern PA, and we have lost that area... not getting ANYONE from those areas now... and if Dixon does not find a way to fix this problem one way or another... the program is gonna nosedive.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Hmmmm SMF...

"I do think playing in Philly and NYC is important but probably not as important as some of us, myself included, think."

So, you don't think it is as important as you think it is.

LOL... at this point someone MIGHT just say.... you THINK too much.

I meant that its important but not all "be-all, end-all." Inotherwords, we shouldn't just say, "well if we cant get a quality game in Philly, DC, or NYC, we aint leaving Pittsburgh." That's narrow-minded. As I said, I'd rather play OU in Norman (with them returning the trip) than Davidson in MSG. It has to be the right game and lower-tier Philly or NYC games should not replace upper-tier home and home series.

 

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They played home and home with Mizzou in 2012 then 2013. Cincy isn't a P5 school but we have to look at basketball a little different. Its so much different than football. In bball, you still pretty much have a "Power 6" with the new Big East being part of that. Also, there are multiple teams in the American, A10, MWC, WCC, and MVC which are considered "major D1."

UConn
Cincy
Temple
SMU
VCU
Richmond
GW
UMass
Davidson
Dayton
Saint Louis
St. Joseph's
New Mexico
UNLV
Colorado State
San Diego State
BYU
Gonzaga
St. Mary's
Wichita State

Games against all of these opponents qualify as "high level home and homes" in my opinion and of this list, Pitt could probably call up right now and get a H&H with just about all of them for 2016 and 2017.

SMF....I only found one game with Mizzou....Dec., 2013 I checked both the NCState & Mizzou schedules on Rivals.....am I missing something?? is Rivals?? BTW, I wish we had some more attractive OOC games, too. We never got a return date from Dayton after playing there a few years ago, losing Levance in the process.

 

[Zaratoughda]

You guys just don't get it. I have said this multiple times and still it is not getting through.

The major recruiting area for this program has dried up, and if the problem is not fixed one way or another in the next year or so, the program is gonna nosedive.

As far as Dixon pro or con... it is gonna be moot. Firing him or not firing him is not gonna make any difference. If you can't get at least a reasonable set of players, you ain't going anywhere.

Yeah, the post mortum on Pitt basketball will be that the move to the ACC killed it.

 

[NTOP]

You guys just don't get it. I have said this multiple times and still it is not getting through.

The major recruiting area for this program has dried up, and if the problem is not fixed one way or another in the next year or so, the program is gonna nosedive.

As far as Dixon pro or con... it is gonna be moot. Firing him or not firing him is not gonna make any difference. If you can't get at least a reasonable set of players, you ain't going anywhere.

Yeah, the post mortum on Pitt basketball will be that the move to the ACC killed it.

You saying it doesn't make it right. Or wrong. My belief is that Dixon will turn things around in recruiting.....and that the next 2 years will be more like Dixon's earlier years.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

SMF....I only found one game with Mizzou....Dec., 2013 I checked both the NCState & Mizzou schedules on Rivals.....am I missing something?? is Rivals?? BTW, I wish we had some more attractive OOC games, too. We never got a return date from Dayton after playing there a few years ago, losing Levance in the process.

My bad, NCSU returns the trip to Mizzou this year, on December 19. Sometimes these games aren't played in back to back years due to scheduling difficulties but its good to see teams like this hooking up for home and homes.

As for Pitt/Dayton, we beat them at the Pete by 30 the year before. That was a home and home. We used to play a lot of those types of games, actually. Examples:

Rhode Island
Georgia
Florida State
Dayton
Washington
OK State
Auburn
South Carolina
Ohio State
Penn State
Wisconsin
Buffalo (no idea why we played this one, JP wasnt even on the team)

When the Big East schedule grew to 18 games, Jamie stopped scheduling a high-level OOC game. Its not that they weren't available, we just stopped pursuing them.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Yeah, the post mortum on Pitt basketball will be that the move to the ACC killed it.

Yea, and that would be 100% untrue. Would sound cool though. Conference affiliation makes very little difference in college basketball.

 

[NTOP]

My bad, NCSU returns the trip to Mizzou this year, on December 19. Sometimes these games aren't played in back to back years due to scheduling difficulties but its good to see teams like this hooking up for home and homes.

As for Pitt/Dayton, we beat them at the Pete by 30 the year before. That was a home and home. We used to play a lot of those types of games, actually. Examples:

Rhode Island
Georgia
Florida State
Dayton
Washington
OK State
Auburn
South Carolina
Ohio State
Penn State
Wisconsin
Buffalo (no idea why we played this one, JP wasnt even on the team)

When the Big East schedule grew to 18 games, Jamie stopped scheduling a high-level OOC game. Its not that they weren't available, we just stopped pursuing them.

Okay. I was getting worried, as I couldn't find it. One thing that's obvious from that list is the absence of any schools in the D.C-to-NYC area. We didn't need add'l exposure there for recruiting purposes.....now we do. The Big5 schools in Philly or the CYO schools around there would be nice....but they'd be crazy to let Pitt come into their backyard, SEC & Big10 or 12 teams might say yes....schedule NW & Minny, OK & Iowa State??

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

SEC & Big10 or 12 teams might say yes....schedule NW & Minny, OK & Iowa State??

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!! Well, except for Northwestern. Give us somebody, put the game on ESPN or ESPN2 and people may actually believe Pitt basketball season begins before January 1. Could you imagine?

 

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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!! Well, except for Northwestern. Give us somebody, put the game on ESPN or ESPN2 and people may actually believe Pitt basketball season begins before January 1. Could you imagine?

12/19/2007.