With so much talk about our returning D-LINE from last year and Weaver I almost forgot about Camp. Im curious what expectations some of you have for him if he can stay healthy.
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He'll be an under the radar super star. We've come a long ways when a returning player like Camp gets pushed to the background. A starting DL of Jones, Twyman, Camp and Weaver is pretty damn good and with a half dozen or so dependable subs they should be fresh as a daisy in the 4th quarter.
I think Alexandre bends the corner better than Weaver. That will be an interesting storyline to see who produces more this year.
It will be interesting to see what Weaver looks like after a year off and rehabbing. Given the numbers at end, I wonder if they will try moving Weaver inside on some packages, especially passing downs to get their best 4 on the field.
It also works great against an I formation.
If anyone still runs that offense.
That would be an amazing benefit. I really hope that he can stay healthy. He came in as a 4 star recruit with a lot of hype and the last time see him on the field he was giving Virginia's offensive line nightmares. It almost crazy to think this is gonna be his redshirt senior year.
Probably not with Clemson and Bama reloading all the time. But surely one of the best.
Depends on how you want to define production. Agree with you that Weaver is not a twitchy 4-3 end, but he is really solid all around and makes things happen-like TFLs and forcing and recovering fumbles. I can see Alexandre having more sacks but Weaver grading out highest of all of our DEs. If he’s 100% healthy of course. Patrick Jones is a better pass rusher which is why he plays on the side he does, but Weaver is better in all other aspects of DE play IMO.
Camp impressed me every time I saw him in terms of his quickness, agility and motor. And of course Twyman is Twyman.
This could be a generational D line year for Pitt.
The ends would need to be able to drop in coverage.
For the coaches on here (Steel, GregJacobs and others) what is different from a 5-2 and a 3-4? Many 5-2 arrangements have the ends in 2-point and drop them into coverage. How is this different from a 3-4? Is it the type of player in those roles, responsibilities or other differences?
IF he can stay healthy, he might be Pitt's most disruptive DL. Just my opinion of course... He looked great two years ago before his injury. He was easily their best DL v. UVa prior to injury in that game.
No real difference between a 5-2 and 3-4 in terms of alignment.
The old school 5-2 with boxing ends isn't really played in the 3-4. The 3-4 usually has those players spill the ball to the safeties.
The 5-2 is long gone. It was a creature of the old 3 yards and a cloud days of offense. You can’t defend teams that spread the field and go 4-5 wide out of a shotgun formation with a 5-2. The 3-4 with more athletic players gives you a lot more versatility to defend different offensive formations. The modern trend is more of a 3-3-5 or 4-2-5 with a hybrid safety/OLB that can line up wherever the offensive formation dictates. Lots of versatility.
Other than Jones, I would put Haba Baldonado at number 2 in potential.
This is the line I just can’t wait to see in action. Yes I want to see how QB shakes out, but this line if healthy should be very good and will help keep us in games. The entire defense should be top 20 in lots of categories. Hopefully turnovers also. But this group as a whole should be rock solid.
Has the feel for exciting times.. knocking off the Irish would be the cherry on the Sunday..
Miami has a top 5 defensive line in the country so what’s wrong with being top 5?
Defenses 15-30 years ago were all rooted in aligning to 21 personnel. Nowadays, defenses base alignments are usually done a 10/11 personnel, whether it be college or hs.
The 5-2/3-4 is an alignment not a defense. There are several ways to run it.
How teams decide to align to whatever depends on what the base out of. They usually base out of what they see in their league.
The 3-4 2 gap system is by far the most versatile vs the run and pass. To be able to defense 6 gaps with 3 players, and attack with 7 potential rushers, it presents a myriad of problems. The 3-4 1 gap system leaves much to desire imo. To me the 3-4 1 gap that many college teams run is basically a stemmed 4-3 after the snap.
The 3-3-5 is great vs the pass in many situations but it loses disguise as soon as you want to play 2 high. vs 21 personnel it has serious limitations, especially c gap integrity. vs 21 personnel you'll often see these teams shift into a 4-3 under look to address it's limitations.
The 4-2-5 is the same thing as the Miami 4-3. Vs. a 2 back 1 te set, it will play with a 6 or 7 tech and an overhang to the strength. The Miami 4-3 will play with a 9 tech and a box SLB. It literally is no different other than potential personnel. As soon as the #2 receiver detaches and splits wide, the overhang will align to him. The Miami 4-3 does the exact same thing.
To me, from my own playing days, a traditional 5-2 defense is as you defined it in your own post above, and as I'm referencing it:
The old school 5-2 with boxing ends
That type of defense, which was an alignment AND a scheme that involved only basic blitzes and DL stunting , and which I played LB on in H.S., isn't even played at the H.S. level anymore, just as the offensive schemes it was effective against aren't played at any level anymore. When I got to college we played a base 3-4 with a SLB that was the primary edge rusher. this was still a run-stop defense geared for offenses that ran a fullback and traditional Y tight ends which described 90% of our league at the time. We ran a lot of different blitzes but the base package and personnel were the same against most opponents. That was over 30 years ago and as you know, things have changed--a lot.
I agree.
The 50/3-4 description often reminds me of when people describe the "veer" as an offense and not a play.
