Lamar Jackson
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I would say look at how many games they won without him for your answer
Those of us 50ish, remember when a Black QB was an absolute rarity? Either a Wishbone/Veer QB or an All Black College QB?
Remember then when they would come, but people all expected or said they should move to another position like WR?
Best QB's in the NFL. Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson. Kyler Murray was the #1 overall pick last year.
Remember then when they would come, but people all expected or said they should move to another position like WR?
Best QB's in the NFL. Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson. Kyler Murray was the #1 overall pick last year.
That’s what I mean
I think they won 8,9, and then 8 games in his final year there (2017). Which actually seems really low
They won 2 games in 2018 without him
Earlier in the year I recall there being some threads with a few posters claiming Lamar Jackson won’t last long, the NFL will eventually figure him out, run only QBs don’t last long in the league.
So far this year, Lamar’s proving em wrong.
And what about the Ravens overall. Arguably look like the best team in the NFL currently. Beat the Patriots relatively easily a couple weeks ago. We’ll find out more this week, big matchup for them again, this time against the Niners.
Anyone remember seeing how the Ravens/Harbaugh enlisted some help from Paul Johnson this last off-season? And now they’re just schooling everyone with their college like offense.
Hilarious how they all wanted to fire Harbaugh early last year too. Jackson is unstoppable this year but I’ll be curious to see how long it lasts (and then all his fanboys on Twitter will keep up defending him - which rightfully so, he had a lot of detractors). FWIW I did think the Ravens would be better than the Browns when everyone was hyping them up this offseason, but I didn’t envision 14-2/13-3 good. Doubt anyone did.
Hilarious how they all wanted to fire Harbaugh early last year too. Jackson is unstoppable this year but I’ll be curious to see how long it lasts (and then all his fanboys on Twitter will keep up defending him - which rightfully so, he had a lot of detractors). FWIW I did think the Ravens would be better than the Browns when everyone was hyping them up this offseason, but I didn’t envision 14-2/13-3 good. Doubt anyone did.
Nfl is moving towards a more mobile qb. But I would put Brady or Rodgers ahead of any of the guys you listed. Jackson has only played at this level for 5 weeks be didn't look great against the Steelers or Chiefs earlier in the year I wouldn't list him as a top 10 NFL qb yet until he can prove it for another year. I mean Baker Mayfield has been as good as any qb in the NFL the last 3 weeks shouldn't he be high up on your list
Harbaugh was def close to being fired midway thru season last year.. weird that the steelers collapse coincided with the harbaugh resurrection.. now a year later he has the NFL MVP as his qb and he will be coach of the year..
“College like offense”? What are you watching? The Ravens offense is far from “college like”. Don’t get caught up...the Ravens have an old school downhill NFL machine...they just have a transcendent guy running it.
Let me guess. You are a Steelers fan and worried about future years having to deal with Jackson and the Ravens? Just because you HOPE he isn't a top 10 QB doesn't mean he actually is not. How can you say he isn't a top 10 QB right now. What a ridiculous take. Who are you putting ahead of him. Duck?
Yeah, I wouldn’t say their offense is college-like. Although there was one college-like aspect to it, they didn’t take the gas off the peddle til relatively late yesterday. They were killing the Rams and still scoring like they were going for style points.
Lamar is the real deal. But no one knows how long he will last running that much. The thing about Lamar is how well he throws the ball with just a flick of the wrist.
I loved Lamar in college and am not surprised he’s really good as a qb.
but - he like all players are 1 hit away
This is the NFL - there are no freshman and sophomore backups..”YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!”
Steelers now have the worst qb in AFC north. fact. not fiction.
In the past the top ( means more than athletic ability) black athletes/ players never wanted to play QB they were interested in other positions. In youth, HS, college football they played in other key spots on the field.
Now look at the black players who are playing QB, some of the top athletes, personalities, and really smart aware people.
Listen to Russel Wilson talk about stuff other than football he's one smart, up to speed individual. Same for Mahomes.
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I think Jackson is really fun to watch and is good for the league but right now, there's a homeless looking guy near Boston that hasn't slept a wink since the beginning of November because he's thinking about how he's going to dismantle the kid.
I don't think you can really say that they "never wanted to play QB." I think it's much more likely that they were essentially forced into playing other positions because their coaches didn't think they fit into what he thought a QB should play/look like. We'll never know about the hundreds and hundreds of kids who could have been like Lamar Jackson who didn't get the opportunity.
So-called "experts" have said that Jackson should move to wide receiver since he got to the league. They're going to keep saying it about other quarterbacks that look like Jackson, and they're going to keep being proven wrong.
No...the top black athletes were pushed towards position other than quarterback. As the game evolved and continues to evolve - you have to put the best players on the field irrespective of what position they play. And lastly, what does Russel Wilson and Mahomes ability to “articulate/annunciate” have anything to do with football? And do you think the previous black quarterbacks weren’t smart? Sounds a little Al Campanis like to me.
He had them ranked in the Top 5 before a Saturday Night Football game at Clemson and they went to the Citrus that year so that's pretty good.
He's Michael Vick 2.0 (in terms of having the similar physical tools ... we can only hope he doesn't get into any type of off-the-field trouble at a similar level). Eventually, the athleticism wears off, unlike Tom Brady who can play his type of game at the same elite level for a quarter century. But that doesn't mean Jackson doesn't have a nice window of opportunity.
The 20 hour a week rule in CFB can really hinder developing and polishing someone at QB who is somewhat raw as a passer and reader of defenses. Plus the players only get to work with the full coaching staff during the season and briefly in the spring.
In the NFL it's a year round job and a QB can get so much more practice/video review time under the tutelage of the best coaches. As much as he wants and needs if he's willing to commit, dedicate and immerse himself.
It has helped Lamar blossom and approach his full potential. Now we'll see if he can keep doing it at a high level over time.
He is having an MVP type of season, and right now the Ravens are dominate. But no matter how you look at it, with the way he plays he is going to get hurt. Most likely his knees. Take a look at RG III, it's only a matter of time.
When I used to watch the nfl awhile back Randall Cunningham was pretty darn good. I'm not even in my 50's.
Yes, but your talking about a franchise QB who could play for over 10 years or more. Running the way he does will shorten his career. Eventually, someone, most likely a Brown will line him up and take him out. The party is over after that.
Ok “College like offense” was a bad description, but them focusing so heavily on the run is unlike what most other teams are doing these days and they have the right personnel to excel at it.
There was a play late where a Rams LB went to hit Jackson and he got more dinged up on it than Jackson did.
From what I have seen watching football coaching for the past 30 years, I agree. Football coaches in particular are notorious for trying to fit the player into the scheme instead of fitting the scheme to the player. For proof, look at our OC who asks a QB that doesn't read the field well and isn't accurate to throw 45 times per game to WR and TE that lead the nation in drops. These guys are stubborn and the barriers to entry in coaching (e.g., $30,000 salaries and jock culture) keeps out a lot of smart people who would make good coaches.
On the flip side, you have guys who are clearly above-average intelligence but not geniuses by any means, like Mike Leach, who come in and revolutionize the game simply because the competition just isn't very bright.
What could a guy like Randall Cunningham have been with a more forward-thinking coach? What would Lamar Jackson have been if he had gotten stuck with a coach like Jeff Fisher?
Too bad Greg Cross came along before black people wanted to play QB. Wanny might have given him a shot if he'd just asked.
He's so much better than Vick. Reads the field well. Fairly accurate. Rams were dropping 7-8 into coverage and Jackson was still killing them with deep, accurate, throws on the seems.
I didn't watch a lot of Vick in 2004. But Vick in 2010 with the Eagles was amazing. Except huge chunks of his passing was bombs to DeSean Jackson or Shady McCoy being an MVP candidate on screens. Vick is no where near the QB that Jackson is.
LJ is an amazing player and was spectacular at Louisville. But you need 22 guys to play football. If the rest of the team isn’t good, there’s only so much one superstar can do.
See A. Donald, D. Revis for further reference.
Really. LOL!
Good players decide where they play.
That's not what I said but since you mentioned this.
Mahomes and Wilson "articulate/annunciate" in addition to being able to discuss a broad range of topics and issues intelligently.
Vick versus LJackson
Doug Williams versus RWilson
This is way off and pretty obviously so to anyone who has watched them both.
I'm not saying LJ can or will sustain what he is doing this season--but he's a QB who happens to be a spectacular, generational athlete as opposed to a spectacular, generational athlete who happens to be a QB, which is what Vick was.
This is exactly a college offense. They are almost running Bob DeBesse's scheme tit for tat. They are some modifications for sure, but formation, play design, the zone emphasis, etc.... There is nothing wrong with it. Hell, how many NFL teams utilize Air Raid concepts? I can tell you EVERYONE does.
There is no negative connotation to running a college scheme. Some college schemes have more complexity than an NFL offense.
What you're seeing is NFL teams are not prepared to handle a true option offense. In the process, it's opening up the Ravens passing game.
It is enunciate, not annunciate. Go watch Bradshaw on Fox studio show. If enunciation or articulation had anything to do with playing QB, that guy sure wouldn't be in Canton.
He's not so much better than Vick. His system is so much better for him than Vick's ever was. There are a # of QB's who could have been fabulous in Jackson's current situation.
I'm old enough to remember when people thought that people of color weren't smart enough to play QB so yeah, it's true.
The rule changes that govern how QB's can be hit feed into Jackson's success. There is less of a chance of injury compared to just a few years ago. Think back to some of the hits Brady took once upon a time that are more or less banned from the game now. I think it will be interesting to see what happens the first time Jackson faces an injury that slows him down a step.
I don’t know, I guess it’s just a matter of individual opinion. I think he’s better than Vick and it’s minimizing his accomplishments this year to largely attribute them to the system he’s in.
