Larry Fitzgerald signs 1 year deal...
- Thread starter HOF Coach
- Start date
Ron Cook: "it would have been an injustice if Oklahoma quarterback Jason White hadn’t won last night."
...and later in life, Mr. Cook was punished for the travesty that he caused...
I would say the other guy is getting punished.
never got the utter Cook hatred over this...a majority of writers voted for White...he was of the same opinion, let it go...
Last edited:
Hilarious...and later in life, Mr. Cook was punished for the travesty that he caused...
You’re not right lol
Dumb and dumber...and later in life, Mr. Cook was punished for the travesty that he caused...
Never. Cook deserves the ridicule. He was the local voter who had the opportunity to watch Larry in person. White had a great year, and every year there are multiple QBs with great years. He had only the third best QBR that year behind LeFors and Alex Smith. He isn't even in the top 100 for passer efficiency ratings by seasons. ON the other hand, Larry had a all time great year, and did so in spectacular fashion. He was easily the most outstanding player that year. Cook didn't want to seem like a small time homer, but that is EXACTLY what he is.
But with Pitt being Pitt... there was no way he was winning it.
yes, ,yes, however, all stats available to that majority of voters I spoke of, correct?...seems you blame him not for going with the national general consensus and not being a proper homer...Outstanding players from 8-5 Continental Tire bowl teams have a tough row to hoe for a Heisman...
Last edited:
No, I am saying that with Cook being in Pittsburgh, he should have had no problem realizing that Larry was easily the most outstanding player that year. Other voters had less of a chance to see everything Larry was able to do. It should have been CLEAR to Cook that Larry had the most outstanding skills on the football field that season. Being on an 8-4 team has zero to do with voting for the Most Outstanding Player. I am not sure someone could stand out more that Larry did.
"Being on an 8-4 team has zero to do with voting for the Most Outstanding Player"....hahahaha, since when? Care to name the last Heisman winner from an 8 win or less team?
Listen, If Fitzgerald was on an 11-2 team in a major bowl, he probably wins it...just the way it works.
Spot on
He was and always has been a waterboy for Grandpa Munster. No Nitter would have ever received a snub like that from this gutless moron.
Wasn't Notre Dame 8-4 the year Tim Brown won it over Don McPherson whose team finished with a bowl loss or something?
Without Jason White, 11-1 or whatever Oklahoma has same record.
Without Fitz, 8-4 Pitt might have been 3-9.
There's the difference.
As far as Ron Cook... Tom Bradley, nuff said. Both are destined for hell.
Without Fitz, 8-4 Pitt might have been 3-9.
There's the difference.
As far as Ron Cook... Tom Bradley, nuff said. Both are destined for hell.
....because he was the best college football player in the land. Ron Cook had a close-up view of him and as has been mentioned in this thread denied him a vote so as to not appear "small town" .
The point is PITT is in the town where he reports. I don't care that Fitz did not win, I care that the local reporter with a vote that saw Fitz in person, voted for a 6th year senior 1200 miles away. Can you imagine the uproar if a voter from the State College area did not vote for Cappeletti, or a voter from Tuscaloosa not voting for an Alabama RB.
Look, except in the few years where there is one overwhelming candidate, the Heisman voting tends to skew geographically. White won it because he got a disproportionately high number of #1 votes in the Southwest.
Voters like Cook think they deserve plaudits for bucking the trend and not being homers. Maybe, if it had been a candidate like OJ when there was no legitimate reason to vote for anyone else. But, he voted for Jason White, who he probably had never watched play a game in person, who was a product of a system — just like the FSU QBs were for a time — and who was nothing more than a very good college QB playing in a system which almost guaranteed him great numbers.
Cook had the opportunity to see Fitz play many times. If he could not recognize that he was watching a special player who was very much deserving of the Heisman Trophy, that speaks volumes about his ineptitude as a sportswriter. Much more so than a reporter in Dallas or Tulsa or Kansas City who voted for White but never saw Fitz play except on TV.
There is no excuse for Cook’s vote. None.
Voters like Cook think they deserve plaudits for bucking the trend and not being homers. Maybe, if it had been a candidate like OJ when there was no legitimate reason to vote for anyone else. But, he voted for Jason White, who he probably had never watched play a game in person, who was a product of a system — just like the FSU QBs were for a time — and who was nothing more than a very good college QB playing in a system which almost guaranteed him great numbers.
Cook had the opportunity to see Fitz play many times. If he could not recognize that he was watching a special player who was very much deserving of the Heisman Trophy, that speaks volumes about his ineptitude as a sportswriter. Much more so than a reporter in Dallas or Tulsa or Kansas City who voted for White but never saw Fitz play except on TV.
There is no excuse for Cook’s vote. None.
The Heisman Trophy has absolutely ZERO to do with being good as a pro, many times guys who couldn't even make a CFL roster fully deserve the Heisman Trophy.
That's because like everything else in American sports they ruined the whole concept, used to be "Best College Player" PERIOD. Not "Best College Player on a Blue Blood Team Contending for The CFB Playoffs, or Top 10/P5 Team in NYD Bowl Game" Before America became screwed up, players on losing teams sometimes won it. ND was 2-8 the year Paul Hournung won it.... well that's ND stuff is more AMERICAN STUPIDITY, LOL
True
Fitzgerald happened to be great in college as well as the nfl
Whereas Jason white was merely an above average college qb on a good team
"Great" is purely OPINION, and the voters that year felt like White was greater, for whatever reason, right or wrong.
I'm not really trying to "one up" you. Generally, you're correct and I think that "MVP" voting usually swings towards players on teams that are more successful.
And for the sake of history, in 1987, a lot of Tim Brown's mystique came from the end of the previous season. Writers were enamored with him after he returned some punts. Don MacPherson wasn't even great but he was QB on a team that went undefeated prior to the bowl. Guys like Ironhead, Thurman Thomas, and Emmitt Smith (Fr) had way better careers in the NFL. And the Steelers ended up with Gordy Lockbaum out of that class.
YES, the tweet about White sending Fitz his Heisman, insinuating that this pro longevity is some sort of validation that Fitz should of gotten it then. If you want to make a case that Fitz should have won it then, talk about what he did in college THAT YEAR, pro football performance should be inadmissible.
Yeah......thanks. My post had nothing to do with that. It was mentioned as an aside.
Grab some coffee or take a walk. You're wound up this morning.
I see the overwhelming discussion in this thread being about what Larry did in college. Nobody is really implying that he should have won it based on his pro career.
It's too bad there wasn't some way for the Steelers to have nabbed Larry, if this is his final year. Not just for the giddiness of we dozen or so remaining rabid Pitt fans (perhaps an exaggeration there, but only perhaps). But because a talented receiver (who's also a good blocker, let's not forget... important in Pgh, or at least it used to be) AND a great character guy are two things the team sorely needs at this moment in time. Not forever; they just really need a readjustment more than an overhaul, unlike what some think. Esp.on offense. But can't help but feel one year of a rock like Fitz on the team, who everyone (even vets) would have to respect and might take example from, would have been helpful.
Wonder if Cook would still have a job in Pittsburgh if he didn’t support a Steelers player??
If pro career is the litmus test for heisman justification, who does Tebow send his trophy to?
Cook really should be ashamed of himself for that vote. Not just because of local reporter, but because Larry was a very special WR who performed miracle catches from average QB throws. Many times double and triple teamed. He was the best player in college that year.
Cook really should be ashamed of himself for that vote. Not just because of local reporter, but because Larry was a very special WR who performed miracle catches from average QB throws. Many times double and triple teamed. He was the best player in college that year.
Cook and Smizik for sure. But anyone who voted for White that year...or just mindlessly votes for the QB on the top team every year. That's amateurish. It's what your standard 7 year old kid might say if asked who the best college football player was. These are adults who are being paid and who should be knowledgeable about the sport and the players they're voting on. Maybe there were other players equal or better than Fitz. But Jason White wasn't even the best player in his own backfield that season.
