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Let's talk maturity...

eng78

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Sep 24, 2002
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I didn't see the game yesterday but was shocked to see the score. I wasn't shocked that we lost, ND always always has good 3pt shooters and reminds me a little of Syracuse without the zone but I was surprised to see that we basically got blown out at home. We usually can compete with our toughness, defense and competitiveness especially when our offense struggles and the other team is shooting well. I'm hearing that we didn't have much if any of that yesterday. It might be most disappointing to hear that some of our key players didn't show the effort or competitive drive that Pitt has become known for.... There's no excuse for that and the players and coach has to be held accountable.

Therefore, when the coach continues to talk about immaturity and not knowing how to handle success, I thought I knew what he's referring to. I thought he was referring to a team that may become complacent, not work as hard as they need to, lack of focus, under estimate their competition, etc.... but I'm starting to rethink that. I'm now wondering if players on this team (and maybe last's year team) are having trouble with understanding or even accepting their roles on this team. Again, I didn't see the game yesterday but I'm starting to get the sense that certain players have an expectation as to what success they need on this team to reach their goals. This is not unique since all major programs have several stars and it's the job of the coach to set expectations and manage to these issues. I'm always impressed how Kentucky, NC, Duke, etc... can continue to recruit multiple 4 and 5 stars players each year and somehow keep them all happy.

We don't have any 4 and 5 stars but when you're young and find your name in the paper after having a great game, that can be good or bad. It's great if helps you believe in yourself and what you're capable of doing, however, it can be bad if you feel you need to do that every night and/or get frustrated or even a little jealous with you see another name(s) getting the attention. If you think about it, X, Toney, Tres, Justin and even Horton all have had good and even great games and I think it bothers them when they don't and it shows on both sides of the court. That's a sign of immaturity and a coach has to be all over this.

I don't know for sure if this is the issue but I'm starting to get concerned. This is a key part of coaching and I know that Coach Capel understand this since he's publicly stated that he had worked with X and his role on the team. Saying that, this may continue to be an issue for X as others regarding their ability to accept their role and other's on the team.
 
Capel doesn't have one player on this team that should be considered some upper level talent or even someone that could play professionally someday. None of them have proven that they can do this. Way too inconsistent and forgetting there is more to basketball than scoring points. Champ had a few great games and certainly puts forth excellent effort, but opponent defenses and coaches appear to have it figured out that they can give him his 12 points and 10 rebounds and know no one else on this team is going to step up and make up the slack. That's what ND did. Opposing teams know they can beat us by double digits using this strategy.

Now Capel has to quit making excuses for the inadequacies and poor performances of this team and him and start putting some humility in these guys. They aren't all that great and they need to know that if they don't bring their A game and 150% effort every night, they will get beat every time.
 
Capel doesn't have one player on this team that should be considered some upper level talent or even someone that could play professionally someday. None of them have proven that they can do this. Way too inconsistent and forgetting there is more to basketball than scoring points. Champ had a few great games and certainly puts forth excellent effort, but opponent defenses and coaches appear to have it figured out that they can give him his 12 points and 10 rebounds and know no one else on this team is going to step up and make up the slack. That's what ND did. Opposing teams know they can beat us by double digits using this strategy.

Now Capel has to quit making excuses for the inadequacies and poor performances of this team and him and start putting some humility in these guys. They aren't all that great and they need to know that if they don't bring their A game and 150% effort every night, they will get beat every time.
I’m as frustrated as everyone else in the WF loss and last nights disgusting DEBACLE. But for those of you saying HCJC doesnt know how to mold these players together as a team, let me ask you a question. At Duke, they brought in 3-5 AA’s every year who were the STARS of their HS/AAU teams. All of them have BIG egos!! HCJC had two stints watching his mentor (one of the best of all time) mold these Egomaniacs to not only functioning teams, but Top 10 and championship teams year after year! Don’t you think he learned a few things and tricks from K about molding individuals into a team?
As frustrated as I am, I still think he’s our best chance to get to where we want to go (long, slow build unless we get lucky with a 1 and done, which I know is a long shot). Biggest problem imho is we still don’t have any depth to push guys to the Bench. Brown for AKC, collier for JC, Jeffries for AD, Sibande/Drumgole for Horton and the beat goes on. This is the acc and jockeys need horses. HCJC represents our best bet to get the horses but it’s no guarantee he can do it.
As much as I love BK, he has not recd ONE HC offer. And you guys want him to come to the ACC and build a competitive program his first HC gig...
 
I’m as frustrated as everyone else in the WF loss and last nights disgusting DEBACLE. But for those of you saying HCJC doesnt know how to mold these players together as a team, let me ask you a question. At Duke, they brought in 3-5 AA’s every year who were the STARS of their HS/AAU teams. All of them have BIG egos!! HCJC had two stints watching his mentor (one of the best of all time) mold these Egomaniacs to not only functioning teams, but Top 10 and championship teams year after year! Don’t you think he learned a few things and tricks from K about molding individuals into a team?
As frustrated as I am, I still think he’s our best chance to get to where we want to go (long, slow build unless we get lucky with a 1 and done, which I know is a long shot). Biggest problem imho is we still don’t have any depth to push guys to the Bench. Brown for AKC, collier for JC, Jeffries for AD, Sibande/Drumgole for Horton and the beat goes on. This is the acc and jockeys need horses. HCJC represents our best bet to get the horses but it’s no guarantee he can do it.
As much as I love BK, he has not recd ONE HC offer. And you guys want him to come to the ACC and build a competitive program his first HC gig...
Lots of coaches have served under Belichick, Saban, K etc... and they’re almost always never successful outside of the talent of the HC.
 
I’m as frustrated as everyone else in the WF loss and last nights disgusting DEBACLE. But for those of you saying HCJC doesnt know how to mold these players together as a team, let me ask you a question. At Duke, they brought in 3-5 AA’s every year who were the STARS of their HS/AAU teams. All of them have BIG egos!! HCJC had two stints watching his mentor (one of the best of all time) mold these Egomaniacs to not only functioning teams, but Top 10 and championship teams year after year! Don’t you think he learned a few things and tricks from K about molding individuals into a team?
As frustrated as I am, I still think he’s our best chance to get to where we want to go (long, slow build unless we get lucky with a 1 and done, which I know is a long shot). Biggest problem imho is we still don’t have any depth to push guys to the Bench. Brown for AKC, collier for JC, Jeffries for AD, Sibande/Drumgole for Horton and the beat goes on. This is the acc and jockeys need horses. HCJC represents our best bet to get the horses but it’s no guarantee he can do it.
As much as I love BK, he has not recd ONE HC offer. And you guys want him to come to the ACC and build a competitive program his first HC gig...

I certainly don't want Knight as a head coach at Pitt. Great player and representative for Pitt when he was here. But he's not ready for being a head coach at Pitt.

Everything you said is true. My point was that Capel is being paid a boatload of money to coach this team. It's up to him to overcome these obstacles and mold this team into a cohesive unit. He's ultimately accountable for their successes and failures. I'm sure he wants to win as much as we want him to win. But so far, he hasn't fulfilled anyone's expectations, his or anyone else's.
 
I certainly don't want Knight as a head coach at Pitt. Great player and representative for Pitt when he was here. But he's not ready for being a head coach at Pitt.

How about

HC: BK
AHC: Antigua
AC: Rice
AC: Greer

I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat if next year goes bad.
 
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