Long live Narduzzi
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We aren’t going to have any huge losses after this season, and have a pretty good recruiting class coming in. He has warts for sure, but about the best we could realistically get. Stay the course.
Chryst is a FAR better coach, and given the situation he inherited to what he left I would say did a far better job than pat has, especially since we have regressed pretty badly the last two years and it doesn’t look better this year.
He was a .500 coach at Pitt. Chryst lost to Youngstown State, UConn, and Akron at Home in his 3rd year here. Narduzzi has not lost to these types of teams, and has a better overall and conference record.
They are an ACC Team. You are clueless if you are trying to compare that to getting embarrassed by a garbage Akron team at home.
H2p go back to your trailer up in central pa. We won the coastal last year-F chryst he did nothing here. Pat has his issues but damn who do u think we would get if he was fired. Let me answer that for ya-nobody!!!!!!!!! So keep crying like you are and we'll move on without your sorry ass
And we finally have IMO two very respectable (dare I say even good maybe) coordinators. Narduzzi has done a better job than previous coaches, probably due to this administration, but I think this duo of coordinators is the best we’ve had in a while.
Overall this probably about as good of an entire staff as we could realistically get at Pitt right now. I definitely see a bright future ahead with this staff and the bit of improvement it looks like we’ll be seeing in next year’s recruiting class.
As much as I see your point, I think most people forget just how god
Awful that Defense was.......... Imho, if he stayed at Pitt, he would
have been a worse coach than Narduzzi.
Again , it’s just opinion.
As I’ve said on this board, I think it’s an institutional issue(
Academic requirements and lack of booster $ involvement
than coaching..
At Pitt, given the above..Chryst would have floundered... But,
At whisky,with the backing of Barry and boosters...the dude
can flat out coach....it’s the culture/institution.
MY POINT IS NARD...doing the best he can given the circumstances
Jmho
It definitely is an administrative / booster (lack thereof) issue.
Chryst proved it well. At Pitt: ineffective. Lost a lot of bad games. Yet (telling) he still gets hired at a better job, despite mostly being a failure here.
At Wisconsin: Fairly effective, not tremendously so (he's the same tub of vanilla goo at the end of the day) at a university putting high priority on football. It is sort like an airliner on auto pilot there. Their fans should be kind of irked they don't have someone a bit more dynamic to take them further but that can be a risk too, if you get a douche, like when Michigan got RichRod, the best machinery can be disrupted.
Either way the difference was stark... at Pitt, with an indifferent at best structure, he struggled. When surrounded by a complicit structure most competent coaches can do well; even good to excellent coaches get dragged down when the opposite is true.
Wow you set the bar extremely low.
So a mumbling dude who was a .500 coach and recruited fair to poor. Got it. Look I know you’re a big 10 fan, but it’s not even close. We scrambled and gave Chryst a job. Narduzzi was the national coach of the year when we got him. And has performed far better since
I have no clue why you think Chryst is/was a better coach. All things being equal, HCPN has already done more than HCPC ever did here.
My main criticism of Narduzzi was his 3rd OC Hire(Watson) after Chaney left for Georgia and Canada left for LSU(do not blame them as more money and in the Best FB Conference-although Canada and Orgeron must not have been on the same page, so a bad hire in the end for LSU), and Narduzzi's first DC Hire(Too Inexperienced).
I think along with Better OC and DC now, Narduzzi also did an upgrade with a few Position Coaches also in the past year, so I have better hope that he will succeed to get at least 9 Wins Average Seasons most years, if Recruiting slightly keeps improving(with at least 6-8 more 4 Star Recruits every year). I do like the emphasis on Florida again, as I will take a 3 Star Prospect from Florida(or Georgia and Louisiana) over PA 3 Star Prospects in most cases(obviously there will be exceptions like Aaron Donald, Darelle Revis and one dude who went to Creepy Valley-Puzlosny?). Also need to get better O-Line Recruits and will see how the Younger QB Recruits pan out in the next few years, but the dude from South Carolina looks like he has some great potential. No idea about Patti(Spelling?) though, but we will see.
I am concerned about Whipple's Age and his recruiting potential, but really was pleasantly surprised to see PITT use some Up Tempo Offense so far(ran it faster than Mr High Octane himself, God Graham, whose Players got up to the LOS Fast but then just let the play clock run down most times, so the Players rarely actually got the ball snapped within 12-15 Seconds. I just assumed Whipple was from the NFL before most of their Teams started to copy College Offenses and was more known for being a QB Developmental Coach, but his years at UMASS, he must have kept up with some New Trends, so good to see.
The Watson hire set the PITT Offense back a few years though, as Narduzzi seemed to have a small list of Potential Coaches that he would only hire because he had a previous relationship with them. Bates seems to have been doing a Great Job so far as the DC and the Talent is finally there to utilize the Press Coverage. I recall when we hired Narduzzi that a few Michigan State Fans on here warned us that there will be some growing pains until Narduzzi was able to recruit the Players in the Secondary talented enough to play on an island, as apparently it took Dantonio a few years at Michigan State to do the same, as they also struggled their first few years there before playing competitively with the other Top FAT 10 Teams.
Also does anyone know why Donald's Brother is not committing to PITT and has Creepy Valley on his Final 6 Schools? You would think with Aaron donating money for the Weight Room, it would at least make PITT a Strong 1st Preference for his Brother(unless for some reason he does not connect with Narduzzi and the PITT Assistant and Position Coaches Recruiting him).
I know that PITT has struggled with Legacy Recruits in the past, but that can be blamed on the Coaching Instability(especially both Heyward Kids and recall how the PITT AD Department messed up Cam's Recruiting Visit at the time).
Chryst was a schlub. He lost to Youngstown St in his first game. They should have fired him the next day.
An offensive coach left Chad Voytik and Adam Bertke at QB.
And a stacked oline, one of the best running backs pitt has ever had, a good receiving corps, and several solid defensive players.
Narduzzi is a bust, but you guys like him cause he sounds like a yinzer.
Chryst was 10-13 against conference opponents, and got punked by a bad Akron team at Heinz. Narduzzi is 20-13 against conference opponents, and hasn’t lost to a scrub MAC team.
He also inherited a disaster of a situation while narduzzi walked into a team that had a good bit of talent and frankly a ton of talent on the offensive side. Narduzzi lost to an ATROCIOUS UNC team in year 4.
AKRON bitch slapped Chryst at Heinz. There is absolutely no comparison between losing to a bad AKRON team and a conference opponent. This was in Chryst’s 3rd year at Pitt.
I understand someone not thinking Narduzzi is a great coach. He has a lot to improve to become great.
What I don't get is why anyone would think Chryst was anything but mediocre at best at Pitt.
What can't be overlooked, IMO, is that Pat wants to be Pitt's coach, and Paul never did.
LOL!!! UNC went 2-9! They lost by 21 to east Carolina who went 3-9 in the American. Their only other win was FCS western Carolina. They were one of the worst teams in any conference last year.
Also, add to it the absolute best downs by UCF, PSU, and OSU the last two years and frankly this is a crap show right now.
Chryst inherited K'Wuan Williams, Grigsby, Price, Thomas, Pitts, Hendricks, Holley, KK Smith and Aaron freaking Donald on D.
On O, he inherited Graham, Street, Shanny, Rotheram, Clemmings, Biz (TG recruit), Bennett, and a Sr. QB in TIno.
He left Narduzzi a MAC roster.
How do you even say some stuff like that?
You literally listed Isaac Bennett, Shannahan, horrible Tino, and post devastating knee injury Ray Graham as how much Chryst inherited??
He left Narduzzi Tyler Boyd, James Conner, Qadree Ollison and Darrin Hall, Scott Orndoff, Jp Holtz, a fantastic O-line and recruited Brian O'Neill, Avonte Maddox, Ryan Lewis, Jordan Whitehead, recruited the whole 2015 and 16 D lines...
Chryst left no Quarterbacks, and for sure no linebackers -- otherwise that is an Insane exaggeration to make
lolElliot Donald is not Aaron Donald's brother, he is his nephew and is a 2021 recruit .... we'll give it a little more time.
I think we win that game if Shell wasn't suspended.But point taken.Pitt should never lose to ysu,akron etc.
How do you even say some stuff like that?
You literally listed Isaac Bennett, Shannahan, horrible Tino, and post devastating knee injury Ray Graham as how much Chryst inherited??
He left Narduzzi Tyler Boyd, James Conner, Qadree Ollison and Darrin Hall, Scott Orndoff, Jp Holtz, a fantastic O-line and recruited Brian O'Neill, Avonte Maddox, Ryan Lewis, Jordan Whitehead, recruited the whole 2015 and 16 D lines...
Chryst left no Quarterbacks, and for sure no linebackers -- otherwise that is an Insane exaggeration to make
Price wasn't a Chryst recruit, nor was KK Smith. Tyrique Jarrett committed to Graham as well, then prepped a year. The rest of the DL Chryst left were MAC recruits.
The OL was good, not fantastic. There was no depth behind Biz, Johnson, and Bookser. JJ Smith never recovered, Baker, Paulina, Grimm, Roberts, Reese, Guy, Pilato weren't any good. Biz and Rowell were TG recruits.
His DB recruiting was atrocious. RBs, he recruited great.
I hope you realize these recruits haven't signed on yet. I expect quite a few of those already named will bolt on their commitment.
Chryst vs Narduzzi? My take:
- Chryst has a real talent for recruiting/developing O linemen;
- Narduzzi’s defenses are MUCH more fun to watch - agressive and proactive vs Chryst’s reactive philosophy;
- Chryst’s teams seemed to play with less passion and ferocity than Narduzzi’s teams;
- Narduzzi wins the games he’s supposed to win, while Chryst’s teams didn’t always do that;
- I like Narduzzi’s passion and fire, while Chryst seemed too emotionally flat. Can you imagine Chryst kissing his kicker? I think the coach sets the tone for the fire a team plays with. Narduzzi shows lots of fire.
I think Chryst should be applauded for inheriting a dumpster fire (there was a lot of talent, but also positions with no talent, there was very little depth, and a whole class of guys that didn’t fit his system) and leaving a solid foundation for Narduzzi to build upon. However, partly because what Chryst walked into at Pitt, the Chryst era was one of the most dull and boring eras of Pitt football history.
3 consecutive 6-6 regular seasons, with really no games that truly felt big in the sense we were playing for something. Every game just seemed to be a chance to get another win towards bowl eligibility... no more or less.
Then Narduzzi gets here, and yes his early success was with Chryst’s players. But take into account what we saw with Chryst’s team in year 3, and also that Peterman never comes to Pitt if Chryst is still here. I really don’t think Chryst could’ve gone 8-4 in 2015 with Voytik still at QB. I’d absolutely guarantee if Chryst is still here in 2016 he doesn’t beat PSU or Clemson without Peterman. There’s a real chance Chryst could’ve had 5 consecutive 6-6 regular seasons, maybe a few bowl wins in there.
I’m not even trying to say Narduzzi is better than Chryst or go down that route at all to debate one way or another. I just don’t think Chryst could’ve even had the success that Narduzzi had here, and I don’t see how this program has regressed at all. Aside from Chryst’s teams maybe being more top heavy with a handful of really great players, I think Narduzzi’s teams are more athletic overall and have far more depth.
The Weaver and Camp losses were devastating. We still have Jones and Alexander at the ends though, Twyman and Watts at the tackles, along with a young Danielson too. That’s not a bad starting D-Line to put out there after you lost your two best. I just don’t have any evidence to make me believe that Chryst at Pitt (which is much different than him being at Wisconsin) would’ve had the same level of backups.
This is an absolutely asinine comment. Bragging about leaving tino, mike Shanahan, a ray graham who was a shell of himself, is an absolute joke.
How is 7-5 a regression from 6-6? Had we not played 3 top 20 teams ooc he wins 8 last year. The problem is the offense has regressed while the d has improved we are basically getting the opposite of PC where the offense improved but we were playing a rb at de.
I’d say Virginia at home is a game you should win. I’d say UNC last year on the road is a game you should win.
As far as emotionally charged, we find franklin at PSU to be an idiot...but when Narduzzi does it that is awesome?
And again, it all comes down to what each coach inherited...Chryst inherited Aaron Donald and an absolute dumpster fire. He needed to do a full rebuild. Narduzzi inherited a stacked offense, and quite a few good defensive pieces as well, and has regressed with his own players.
That is the truth of the matter.
I’m talking about the 8-4 years he had to start that basically were because of chryst’s Offensive players.
If we go 4-8 or 5-7 this year will you guys admit that Narduzzi is regressing the program?
I don’t get what it is about this fanbase that we fall in love with a coach because of personality. Chryst was constantly made fun of for being bumbling, etc. Dixon was made fun of and called socially awkward constantly. Wanny and Narduzzi though...they are yinzers essentially so the fanbase loves them. It’s absolutely ridiculous.
But they are still a acc team which has recruited top 40 classes. Look at them now beat both SC and Miami. They were never as bad talent wise as their record. Still a really bad loss by Pitt but not a Akron ysu level of loss.
When you lose to a team that lost the week before to a 3-9 ECU team by 20 points that is as bad as a loss as any loss.
And the Akron loss, I’ll give you that. The YSU loss was his first game, Pitt should have been 3-9 that year with the roster they had.
You must be on dope. When considering the most embarrassing losses in Pitt history, the loss to UNC last season doesn't come close to making the list. However, losing to YSU and Akron at home is right up there in the top five.
Shut up...
Getting blown out by PSU, ok st, and UCF were pretty embarrassing. Losing to bowling green after 13-9 was pretty awful. Losing to WVU in his last home game and getting blown out in the second half in 2010 for wanny was pretty awful.
Pitt has plenty of awful losses...so stop acting like Chryst is the only one that has them.
Tino was better than what Chryst left at QB. Think about that for a minute. Graham ran for a 1000 yards, had 36 catches, and scored 13 TDs in 2012. Shanahan was a better WR than Weah.
You should take a break from your continued stupidity.
You just called mike Shanahan a better receiver than Weah..,that freaking ends any credibility you had.
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