Maddox the next....

[cpc247]

guy to wear an NFL jersey that everyone in Pittsburgh hated as a player? We hated Ray V ....turned Pro We hated L Pitts....turned Pro ...Terish Webb....very own Pittsburgh Steelers.... Bam Bradley...Ravens....Manasseh Garner...Redskins......We thought Matt Galambos was a bum (which I've disagreed with ever since the big 33 game....turned pro........Will Maddox make a living playing professional football?

For the sake of Memorial day....Name anyone on the roster that people have been critical of that will make their living playing football......

 

[PhPanther1]

Weah or Blair?

I don't know how many hate Maddox vs them saying he's just too short.....which he is.

And you named a bunch of guys on camp invites. They won't be making a living off of the couple thousand they make for a few weeks. I'm glad these guys got educations that will help them get along with their life's work.

 

[thebadby2]

guy to wear an NFL jersey that everyone in Pittsburgh hated as a player? We hated Ray V ....turned Pro We hated L Pitts....turned Pro ...Terish Webb....very own Pittsburgh Steelers.... Bam Bradley...Ravens....Manasseh Garner...Redskins......We thought Matt Galambos was a bum (which I've disagreed with ever since the big 33 game....turned pro........Will Maddox make a living playing professional football?

For the sake of Memorial day....Name anyone on the roster that people have been critical of that will make their living playing football......

With all due respect, and no knock on the guys you listed, do you really equate signing a one year UDFA contract with "making a living" playing pro football?

Also, what does invoking the spirit of Memorial Day have to do, in any way, shape or form, with this type of discussion?

 

[Swervin27]

Lol, this post is hilarious. We were critical of Webb because we know poor play when we see it. Anyone that is not critical of Webb doesn't know football.

The issue with Pitts is he is a player that peaked as a freshman, never performed better. Honestly, in hindsight, I blame the staff and the system more than him. He was misused.

Did anyone hate vinopal? If so, I missed it. I don't even know what to say about garner, why any pitt fan would have any strong feelings about him either way is beyond me. He wasn't relevant enough to hate. I'd suspect most pitt fans don't know that name.

 

[HailToPitt725]

Lol, this post is hilarious. We were critical of Webb because we know poor play when we see it. Anyone that is not critical of Webb doesn't know football.

The issue with Pitts is he is a player that peaked as a freshman, never performed better. Honestly, in hindsight, I blame the staff and the system more than him. He was misused.

Did anyone hate vinopal? If so, I missed it. I don't even know what to say about garner, why any pitt fan would have any strong feelings about him is beyond me. I'd suspect most pitt fans don't know that name.

Of course we know who Garner is. First Pitt player to catch a TD in the ACC

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

When players such as Galambos who showed more bad than good in their playing days are given even a chance in an NFL camp, it's a significant redemption of the player's raw potential.

Even if only for practice fodder, NFL teams are taking the cream of the crop. They aren't taking gibrones off the street. So credit the player for impressing the NFL scouts and coaches enough to get the chance.

But when it happens, it's more of a indictment on the players' college coaches who failed to instruct, position or devise appropriate strategy or tactics to optimally utilize those players in college. Fans can't be blamed for the diminished opinion of these players when all (or most) of what they saw of the player were bad performances on the field.

If Maddox would indeed be one who gets such an opportunity, it would not "prove the fans wrong" so much as prove NARDUZZI (and Matt House before him) wrong, for not coaching or utilizing Maddox properly, for employing bad schemes, or merely not having good enough players around him.

 

[thebadby2]

When players such as Galambos who showed more bad than good in their playing days are given even a chance in an NFL camp, it's a significant redemption of the player's raw potential.

Even if only for practice fodder, NFL teams are taking the cream of the crop. They aren't taking gibrones off the street. So credit the player for impressing the NFL scouts and coaches enough to get the chance.

But when it happens, it's more of a indictment on the players' college coaches who failed to instruct, position or devise appropriate strategy or tactics to optimally utilize those players in college. Fans can't be blamed for the diminished opinion of these players when all (or most) of what they saw of the player were bad performances on the field.

If Maddox would indeed be one who gets such an opportunity, it would not "prove the fans wrong" so much as prove NARDUZZI (and Matt House before him) wrong, for not coaching or utilizing Maddox properly, for employing bad schemes, or merely not having good enough players around him.

I believe I read that someone thing like 400 UDFAs signed with NFL teams this year. Very, very few of them ever end up with productive NFL careers.

Maddox is a four year P5 starter, which is nothing to sneeze at. But NFL corners are physical freaks in today's game. Maddox is way undersized to play the position at the next level. Imagine him trying to handle a Julio Jones or any of the prototype NFL outside receivers at the line of scrimmage, where the battle between CB and WR is most often won or lost.

Likewise, Galambos was a productive 3 year starter-but he's a couple 3 steps slow to play ILB, he's not very athletic, he doesn't move well laterally m and he's not a terribly physical ILB. He would have 12 tackles and you wouldn't even notice hin, because many of them were 3-5 years into the middle of the D and none were big hits.

Terrish Webb struggled terribly as a college player amd has about as good of a chance at making a NFL 53 man roster as a safety as I do. He was weak in all facets, the physical and the mental.

I still believe the Pitt player with the best chance to make it out of this year's group is Orndoff. He's not the fastest but he is a very good athlete with very good size and excellent hands.

 

[Las Panteras]

guy to wear an NFL jersey that everyone in Pittsburgh hated as a player? We hated Ray V ....turned Pro We hated L Pitts....turned Pro ...Terish Webb....very own Pittsburgh Steelers.... Bam Bradley...Ravens....Manasseh Garner...Redskins......We thought Matt Galambos was a bum (which I've disagreed with ever since the big 33 game....turned pro........Will Maddox make a living playing professional football?

For the sake of Memorial day....Name anyone on the roster that people have been critical of that will make their living playing football......

I wear an NFL jersey on Sundays when the Steelers play...and everybody hates me.

And the list you describe has a better chance of sitting next to me on Sundays at HF than playing on it.

 

[Swervin27]

When players such as Galambos who showed more bad than good in their playing days are given even a chance in an NFL camp, it's a significant redemption of the player's raw potential.

Even if only for practice fodder, NFL teams are taking the cream of the crop. They aren't taking gibrones off the street. So credit the player for impressing the NFL scouts and coaches enough to get the chance.

But when it happens, it's more of a indictment on the players' college coaches who failed to instruct, position or devise appropriate strategy or tactics to optimally utilize those players in college. Fans can't be blamed for the diminished opinion of these players when all (or most) of what they saw of the player were bad performances on the field.

If Maddox would indeed be one who gets such an opportunity, it would not "prove the fans wrong" so much as prove NARDUZZI (and Matt House before him) wrong, for not coaching or utilizing Maddox properly, for employing bad schemes, or merely not having good enough players around him.

I think that us the case with Pitts. He wasn't under duzzi, house and chryst I think. He was very talented but got worse as time went on, that's on the staff.

He would have been perfect for duzzi.

 

[thebadby2]

I think that us the case with Pitts. He wasn't under duzzi, house and chryst I think. He was very talented but got worse as time went on, that's on the staff.

He would have been perfect for duzzi.

The real problem for Pitts was that he played for at least 4 different DCs in his 5 years at Pitt, each with different secondary schemes and use of the CBs. Pitts looked like a future All American after his RS freshman year; he was stellar. Multiple coordinator changes and letting himself get a little out of shape prevented that from happening.. The talent was always there, but it's hard to overcome a new playbook and coach every year.

 

[vegasgreed]

I care a lot more what they do at Pitt.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

The real problem for Pitts was that he played for at least 4 different DCs in his 5 years at Pitt, each with different secondary schemes and use of the CBs. Pitts looked like a future All American after his RS freshman year; he was stellar. Multiple coordinator changes and letting himself get a little out of shape prevented that from happening.. The talent was always there, but it's hard to overcome a new playbook and coach every year.

True dat

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

Guys that played a while, some a VERY long while, in the NFL that probably was a surprise based on their Pitt careers ... far from comprehensive but guys that immediately came to mind:
Jeff Christy
Adam Walker
Dave Moore
Billy Davis
Matt Lytle (the biggest shock on this list IMO)
Nick Goings
Torie Cox
Kennard Cox
Dion Lewis (not due to a bad Pitt career but all the injuries he's overcome in the NFL...surprised he's lasted)

I'll add Rashad Jennings and Joe Flacco with an asterisk. When both bolted the scene here, nobody could have ever expected they'd amount to anything.

I'm sure there are others likely many that I'm overlooking.

 

[724crew]

I might be in the minority but I've always liked Maddox as a player. He is what he is, plenty of short comings but scrappy. We would appreciate him more if he had more talent around him

 

[Pittx9]

Who hated ray vinopal? That's pretty shocking to me.

 

[Farnox]

Who hated ray vinopal? That's pretty shocking to me.

Agreed, Ray had some issues his first year but was much improved the 2nd year he played.

 

[Swervin27]

Guys that played a while, some a VERY long while, in the NFL that probably was a surprise based on their Pitt careers ... far from comprehensive but guys that immediately came to mind:
Jeff Christy
Adam Walker
Dave Moore
Brian Davis
Matt Lytle (the biggest shock on this list IMO)
Nick Goings
Torie Cox
Kennard Cox
Dion Lewis (not due to a bad Pitt career but all the injuries he's overcome in the NFL...surprised he's lasted)

I'll add Rashad Jennings and Joe Flacco with an asterisk. When both bolted the scene here, nobody could have ever expected they'd amount to anything.

I'm sure there are others likely many that I'm overlooking.

Dj dinkins

 

[Pitt79]

guy to wear an NFL jersey that everyone in Pittsburgh hated as a player? We hated Ray V ....turned Pro We hated L Pitts....turned Pro ...Terish Webb....very own Pittsburgh Steelers.... Bam Bradley...Ravens....Manasseh Garner...Redskins......We thought Matt Galambos was a bum (which I've disagreed with ever since the big 33 game....turned pro........Will Maddox make a living playing professional football?

For the sake of Memorial day....Name anyone on the roster that people have been critical of that will make their living playing football......

None of them made it as pros did they? Are they in he NFL? On a practice squad maybe? They're trying out. I had a friend who played for Westminster College (PA) who spent one summer in Steelers training camp.

 

[Swervin27]

Who hated ray vinopal? That's pretty shocking to me.

No one did. The OP is trying to make some assanine point here about pitt fans being misguided and the examples he used showed the opposite.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

Dj dinkins

Good call

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

I might be in the minority but I've always liked Maddox as a player. He is what he is, plenty of short comings but scrappy. We would appreciate him more if he had more talent around him

Yes I agree. This is/was the issue with Ray Vinopal and many others. Having just watched the hockey Game, as an analogy these guys would be like the Kunitz or Bryan Rust of the team, vital parts of the team when there are other more talented guys pulling much of the load; but an entire team of such guys (or worse), like Pitt teams were when they have played, simply isn't going to be that great.

 

[Swervin27]

i like Maddox too and more importantly, the staff likes him. Im curious if he truly "fits" the Narduzzi scheme, if he'd be better playing off the line, more of a 3 zone type of cover corner. regardless, our scheme is what it is. I am hoping, and feel confident, a guy with his experience can adapt and produce better than what we saw last year..

 

[upj87]

With all due respect, and no knock on the guys you listed, do you really equate signing a one year UDFA contract with "making a living" playing pro football?

Also, what does invoking the spirit of Memorial Day have to do, in any way, shape or form, with this type of discussion?

You are not getting the connection between "guy to wear an NFL jersey that everyone in Pittsburgh hated as a player " and the spirit of a collective reflection on the noble sacrifices of those who gave the last measure of devotion in service of our ideals and in the defense of our nation with the loss of their lives?

What are you, dense?