little help from the room. manny stocker is listed as the backup QB. other than being a transfer- I know very little about this player. anyone kind enough to brief on him. thank you..
manny stocker ?
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Struggles with throwing the ball. We are in trouble if Peterman gets hurt.
Started career at NC State as a backup QB. Then, ironically enough, a new coach and staff was hired including Matt Canada and he fell on the depth chart and transferred to UT-Martin almost immediately. At UT-Martin, he only played in 5 games over a couple years.
The fact that he could so easily rise to #2 on our depth chart is concerning. If Peterman goes down for an extended period, that will not be a good thing.
It's probably going to be if Nate goes down within a game, you'll see Stocker finish the game. If Nate goes down long term, you'll see DiNucci. You can't give up on throwing the ball all season by playing Stocker long term.
We haven't had a very good QB since Van Pelt, and I'm not arguing Palko, smart, knew the game, but tools physically were limited. I would think we would have recruited a top QB, even lucked into one in all these years. Baffled
You consider Rod Rutherford a below average college QB? C'mon.
what you need to know, if nate goes down, were in big trouble this year. narduzzi rolled the dice this year.
We have definitely struggled to find legit P5 level starting caliber QBs over the years, but Rutherford and Palko (under WLAT) were very good. Obviously Flacco was legit but his timing was bad at Pitt. All of these players were recruited to Pitt by WLAT. None of our other coaches over that 40 year span have done squat to bring QB talent in, with "QB guru" Chrys laying the biggest egg of them all. The one decent QB he had was Graham's recruit.
If you want to blame anything on Pitt's 30 plus year run of mediocrity, the lack of a top flight QB is reason #1. Our best QBs in this time have been Van Pelt, Palko, Rutherford, Lytle, Gonzalez, and Savage. All have made NFL rosters but have been either career backups or have only had a cup of coffee. That isnt to say you need an NFL starter at QB but it surely wouldn't hurt. If I would have bet you 30 years ago that Pitt wouldn't produce a regular NFL starter at QB in the next 4 decades, you would have taken that bet. Its almost impossible not to. Ironically, maybe the best QB to ever wear the blue and gold transferred out.
Unless Pitt is going to be stacked all over the field, you need an elite QB to even things out.
So you're suggesting Flacco may be better than Marino? You continue to outdo yourself.
I assumed, and we all know what that means, once we had Marino, we would have one of those every 4 years, I'm still waiting for someone half as good 35 years later
Rutherford, Palko, Savage, all serviceable but not elite , and those don't win championships, don't even get you to sniff around them.
Major Harris was the guy, but he got away, and I think Pitt wouldn't let him play QB if I'm correct and WVU did.
We had landed Dickerson who would be a 4-5 Star in today's rankings around that time, so we wanted Harris to play DB. Harris wanted to play QB, so he went to WV. Major Harris grew up a Pitt fan and lived within walking distance of the stadium.
Yes, and Major played against me in high school, I was a freshman when he was a senior. He wanted to be at Pitt bad, he had all the tools, just think he looked better than what we had, but that's just my opinion.
He couldn't read or write to well, but he knew how to sling it 80 yards lol
He couldn't read or write to well, but he knew how to sling it 80 yards lol
Mike Logan wanted to attend Pitt as well, but we did not offer. We also botched the Ty Law recruitment.
Of course not. I meant in the last 30+ years where we have lost 3 or more games in every season.
I was spoiled, I started following Pitt through my dad in 1975, a very young child going to my first game. And I thought this was how it was and always would be, then we had some pretty awful ADs hired who ruined the sport, Bozik to PEDERSON! A few good ones in between but mostly incompetent fools and presidents as well, relating to football
It's too - not to. Just sayin since you're talking about someone writing.
Anyway - Major wasn't an academic superstar but he wasn't a big dummy. Was a nice dude and a funny sob. He could have gone to pretty much any school in the country and very few high level programs wanted him as a pro style QB. I believe the wishbone/option was still pretty popular so he had some offers from those schools but he wanted to play pro style/drop back and that's why he ended up at WVU. He and Nehlen didn't exactly see eye to eye which was one of the biggest reasons he entered the draft a year early - not to derail this thread.
Major went to summer school before 12th grade to take 9th grade english. Anyhow, he was special and we could have won big with him.
QB is crapshoot any way,look at some best programs in country over the last 20 years like lsu,florida,and some other top schools they haven't put any great QB in the pros.So it's not only pitt.Tells you something when Jay cutler is top QB to come out of the Sec.
Major was as lazy as they came until it came to playing a game. And he was special athletically. Helluva basketball
Player as well.
]If you want to blame anything on Pitt's 30 plus year run of mediocrity, the lack of a top flight QB is reason #1.
Totally disagree. The failure to hire the right coach has been reason #1. It's been 30 years of complete failures in that department, and while it's really too soon to say, it looks like we may have finally made the right hire. It certainly looks and feels like the right hire so far -and that's more than can be said about the last few.
Remember, even the best QB can't make much of a difference without strong pass protection, decent balance in the run-pass game, capable receivers, and a good playbook/play caller. Get those other things, put a solid D and special teams on the field, add the difference maker QB and the sky is the limit.
Totally disagree. The failure to hire the right coach has been reason #1. It's been 30 years of complete failures in that department, and while it's really too soon to say, it looks like we may have finally made the right hire. It certainly looks and feels like the right hire so far -and that's more than can be said about the last few.
Remember, even the best QB can't make much of a difference without strong pass protection, decent balance in the run-pass game, capable receivers, and a good playbook/play caller. Get those other things, put a solid D and special teams on the field, add the difference maker QB and the sky is the limit.
Alabama has won 4 championships under Saban with guys that were barely above serviceable.
Josh Huepel, Craig Krenzel, Ken Dorsey, Matt Mauk, Chris Leak, Matt Flynn, Greg McElroy all these stud QB's of the BCS era with championship rings
Not sure why you threw Mauk in there, he never won anything. His big brother Ben did OK under Kelly at Cinci, but never won a championship. Outside of him, every one of those guys was a far better college player than any of the QBs we've had over the past 30 years. Heupel was a college football superstar and runner up for the Heisman. Leak was a 5 star H.S prospect and Savage was about the same level as any one of them but was only here for one year with no O-line, so he really doesn't count.
I think I get your point--but those guys you list outside of Mauk were all pretty damned good, AND all of them outside of Mauk played on loaded teams, under top notch coaches, with NFL talent all over the place on O and D. We don't have that kind of program.
Mauk won the 2004 Sugar Bowl over Oklahoma to win the BCS championship.
All those quarterbacks listed are terrible. Throw them on a Pitt team and they are the equivalent of Tino Sunseri without the stats. You don't need a superstar qb to win in college anymore. They've brought the game down so you don't have to have great measurables. You're better off getting a dominant OL, RB, WR, DL and LB....and then just throwing any yahoo out there at qb.
All those quarterbacks listed are terrible. Throw them on a Pitt team and they are the equivalent of Tino Sunseri without the stats. You don't need a superstar qb to win in college anymore. They've brought the game down so you don't have to have great measurables. You're better off getting a dominant OL, RB, WR, DL and LB....and then just throwing any yahoo out there at qb.
Wait! What?!
That's honestly one of the craziest assertions ever made on this message board. Joe Flacco's own mother doesn't agree with you.
People forget about him now but John Congemi was a very good college quarterback. So was Alex Van Pelt.
It has not been 30 years of poor quarterback play. People saying that overstating their otherwise salient point.
It's just been 30 years since we've had a Marino caliber player. The good news to that is Penn State has never had a Marino caliber player in its entire history. Do you know why? Because they don't come around very often, that's why.
Pitt can certainly do a better job of recruiting and developing quarterbacks than it has in recent years. The past decade or so has been particularly light. However, they don't have to get another future Hall of Famer to start winning games. They just need to bring in and develop someone who can make plays on his own.
That's hardly true. AJ McCarron won two of those and he's doing well in the NFL. He was a 4 star and had tons of big time offers. He was an outstanding college QB and set Bama's single season passing yardage record--that's at a school that produced Namath, Stabler, etc. McElroy set all kinds of Texas big school HS passing records and had a nice offer sheet. He had a few starts in the NFL before he retired due to chronic injuries.
Coker was the one guy who was questionable, but he proved himself to be far better than "serviceable" last season. He also happened to have a tremendous O line, incredible receivers, and a Heisman winning beast in his backfield.
Bama is different--they are LOADED at nearly every position, by far the most talented college program in the country. As good as their D has been every year under Saban, I'm not even sure they need to put an offense on the field to win games.
Dont agree with what your sayin. You need a special player at the QB spot. At a program like Pitt. To make a mark nationally.
Look at teams like Clemson, Houston , TCU, S Florida, Temple, Memphis, Cincy, Louisville and many other programs who got lucky getting a dynamic player at that position. They all have willed their teams to getting recognized nationally
Pitt needs a dynamic player at the QB spot to make a splash on the national scene. Until that happens. Mediocrity is going to be the norm. Heck, if the schools i mentioned was able to recruit one. So can Pitt
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When you have the talent those QB's had playing for the teams they were on. All you need is a game manager type. Pitt will never get the talent like those teams had. So Pitt needs a dynamic type player at the QB spot if we ever want to make a splash......
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