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That was my basis for thinking Pitt's real "firing for cause" case was due to tort negligence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negligence#Elements_of_negligence_claims
I think you could make a pretty good argument that KS made decisions that a "reasonable person" would predict hurt the program, and caused a severe decline in ticket sales and an overall damage to Pitt's brand. Numerous opposing coaches have noted that it is "impossible" to win with the makeup of our 2018 team. KS has also said on multiple occasions that he could've signed other, better players to win more this year and chose not to.
I think their identification of the Louisville incident and others just adds background to the case that he never made a sufficient attempt to ingratiate himself with fans to maintain or increase ticket sales.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negligence#Elements_of_negligence_claims
I think you could make a pretty good argument that KS made decisions that a "reasonable person" would predict hurt the program, and caused a severe decline in ticket sales and an overall damage to Pitt's brand. Numerous opposing coaches have noted that it is "impossible" to win with the makeup of our 2018 team. KS has also said on multiple occasions that he could've signed other, better players to win more this year and chose not to.
I think their identification of the Louisville incident and others just adds background to the case that he never made a sufficient attempt to ingratiate himself with fans to maintain or increase ticket sales.
When you look at the studies showing the viewing habits, attention spans, likes and dislikes of the present" younger generation " and projections of those to come I doubt the NCAA D1/P5 lineup of college football and basketball programs will be anywhere close to where it is today ten years from now.
College sports need money to survive, money comes from fans who are also donors and it's real clear there is and will be less interest in spectator sports in general as the years go by.
Instead of attending there will be many other ways to experience the event rather than attending ( driving to the event in traffic, parking, sitting in a stadium for hours, leaving a parking lot in traffic and driving home in traffic).
Colleges and the NCAA will have to be very creative and more efficient to keep things moving forward.
IMO this applies to any sports event requiring butts in the seats to survive.
I think there will be great minor league football and basketball sports to watch but they'll be supported by their respective professional league and college sports will be a second option.
"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams!
College sports need money to survive, money comes from fans who are also donors and it's real clear there is and will be less interest in spectator sports in general as the years go by.
Instead of attending there will be many other ways to experience the event rather than attending ( driving to the event in traffic, parking, sitting in a stadium for hours, leaving a parking lot in traffic and driving home in traffic).
Colleges and the NCAA will have to be very creative and more efficient to keep things moving forward.
IMO this applies to any sports event requiring butts in the seats to survive.
I think there will be great minor league football and basketball sports to watch but they'll be supported by their respective professional league and college sports will be a second option.
"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams!
They have no justification for just cause. Pitt is just trying to save a few million.
Just from what is known publicly, there is definitely backup for cause. Sorry, about your buddy.
It has been discussed many times over. You haven't cared enough about Pitt to even follow things, until now, after your boy was fired because he did an absolutely terrible job.
The only way we’ll ever know for sure that there is no cause case is if it goes to court and Pitt loses.
I haven't read Stallings' contract, but I doubt the standard for "for cause" termination is the same as the standard for civil negligence.
Because I could have told you back in 2015-16 that this season was going to be a total trainwreck. That was obvious a long, long time ago.
I haven't read one thing on here that would justify firing for cause. Other than cause we are cheap and 9 million is a lot of money to our athletic department.
I follow things. There are team I like other than Pitt that I follow too. And since I expected the Panthers to suck this year...
That is interesting because at the end of that season we figured to at least have Cam Johnson, Ryan Luther, 4 star Damon Wilson, 4 (3 who were committed) 2016 recruits, and a 2017 recruiting class. There was no reason this season had to be a trainwreck. We could have very easily been a .500 team and better, if we landed a real good 2017 recruit or two.
Absolutely! KS made a poor decision in fully blowing things up. It wasn't necessary to go that far.
Damon Wilson? What led you believe he could play based on what he did while he was here? Cam had one good year. He not near as good as his hype. Luther has developed into a decent player. I think if this team had Cam and Luther, they might have won 4 or 5 conference. Still a trainwreck.
Where's the bugs? Skilled PG play? I don't see it.
4-5 ACC wins plus about 10 OOC wins was possible this year without jeopardizing future development. The full roster blowup was a bad decision by KS.
Why? He didn't boot off anybody who could contribute anything. 4 or 5 wins doesn't do jack for the program either.
Based on what he did? This was 2015 when you "knew" this past season would be a train wreck.
Disagree. If you had kept Wilson, Cam Johnson, Aaron Thompson (who would have stayed if his HS teammate Manigault was kept. These 4 instead of the worst four of KS's recruits we would have been better off and better going forward--except Stallings would not have been let go.
The 2015-16 season it was fairly obvious.
Based on what he did? Are you talking about Wilson? He averaged 3 pts a game as a freshman.
He wanted to keep Cam. Wilson wanted to leave as well, but he really didn't show much of anything while he was here. Thompson is in no way good enough to be demanding any package deals. That said, he is a player I wished had stuck around. (he was recruited by Stallings)
Where do you think Manigault is going to go from Indian Hills? UNC? UK? Should he have begged Chrisshawn Clark and Rozelle Nix to stay as well?
You hero is a failure and was fired.
Move on
He had a losing season and only won 4 conference games with a talented enough team to be a bubble team at worst.
Then went 0-fer with his hand picked team.
His recruiting and coaching were atrocious
Pitt is in a far worse place 2 years later for hiring him.
Yes, on a team with 2 SR PGs. He still played 10mpg. He definitely was seen as a piece of the future. I'm sure if Dixon stayed he would have been a productive player. Tray Woodall averaged 5ppg as a FR. Lamar Patterson averaged 2.6. Cam Wright 2.2. Kham Davis just averaged 4 in 2.5x the minutes for your buddy.
Manigault and Nix were much better than what he brought in. That's the point. AND keeping CM would have saved him Thompson, so instead he traded them for 2 much worse players.
Let's forget about Stallings and breach of contract actions for a second....how are you handicapping the current horse race for HC? I say Hurley is risk averse and for that reason takes less money and goes to Uconn, the safer choice and less difficult job.
If he actually think kene is more promising than Corey- he’s delusional
And would Cam have left regardless of what Stallings did or didn't do? I am not so sure that is the case. Had Stallings not under=performed in season one and then totally blown things up, IMHO, Cam may have stayed. I suspect he just didn't like Stallings and did not want to play on an only slightly better than 8-24 team.
I have no clue. I think Pitt is the better option and more dollars, but there may be a NE affinity.
If Pitt can't land Hurley, I want Musselman, then the risk on Miller, and finally Oates. Anyone else would likely be a let down.
Nix averaged 2.3 pts per game at South Alabama. Manigault has offers from TCU and Washington State.
What do you mean AND keep Cam. Cam chose to leave. It's not every day a player like Cam gets a chance to play for one of the most storied programs in college basketball.
Pitt was going to be terrible this year regardless.
And it's not like you can't churn over the whole roster in one off season.
ESPN Radio 92.9 out of Memphis broke their ratings record yesterday, the day Penny was announced. Fans are rejoicing. Their fans made this fire/hire. If you don't think fans' opinions matter, then you shouldn't be an AD.
I was referencing Corey Manigault as CM, but Cam wouldn't have left if Dixon was coach. He probably wouldn't have left if Stalkings hadn't tanked the program year 1 and created a disaster for year 2.
CM would have been our best big after Luther. Nix would have been better than Peace or George.
I think it's still a disaster. That's not much talent to work with.
Regardless, I'm ready for Miller Time.
Regardless, I'm ready for Miller Time.
Fans opinions are why they chased out Pastner and got Tubby in the first place. Sound familiar?
And we didn’t want Stallings. But when you chase out a coach, sometimes this grass is not greener.
Luckily for Pitt, our grass has all shriveled up and died already, so literally any grass is greener than our last two years. Memphis was not nearly as awful as we were, dispute their fans’ opinions. Memphis won 21 games this year.
Their attendance had fallen through the toilet since Tubby arrived, they felt they had to make a move.
The fans effectively spoke with their wallets in this case.
Tubby is best at a place with moderate expectations. He'd have been perfect at Penn St. As for Pastner, he's terrible. GT made the same mistake we did in hiring him.
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