Mens vs Womens tournament spending

[caleco's]

i dont know why this is a debate. the revenue gaps are what drive this.
you could literally point to every sport at every school and see this

does wrestling get the same spending as fb or bb no. gee wonder why?

the womens tournament has become more popular but it still pales in comparison to the mens tourney.

appointing a "special counsel" to determine that spending is based on revenue..... smh

in other news Coke spends more on coca cola promotion than it does on root beer. both are popular just not on an even scale.

i dont think this excuses the ncaa weight room fiasco though

Breaking down the reported $13.5 million gap between the men's and women's NCAA tournaments in 2019

This is ridiculous.

ftw.usatoday.com

 

[levance2]

I think it was pretty well known that the last time Pitt hosted the WBB tournament (and Pitt failed to qualify) we lost a lot of money on it. Of course, the woke critics don't look very closely at the economics of why these things are the way they are.

I know Pitt has had some Title IX concerns over the last decade or so, but I think Pitt has actually done a really great job of trying to give the appropriate attention and support to all of their Olympic programs based on their relative levels of success. Lyke has given a lot of support to the VB program because Fisher has shown they are able to compete at the national level.

 

[Dukesfan1]

I know this will be an unpopular opinion but some of the spending for the men’s tournament is outlandish. In a normal year, do you really need 8 separate color coded courts (yes each location gets an identifying color) for the 8 first/secondround cities. And 4 courts for the regional sites. And a special court for the final 4. All these arenas have courts.

The women only get a special court for the final four and maybe the regional sites.

I’m sure there are plenty other examples of just outlandish spending on the men’s side. Okay crucify me. I won’t respond. Lol.

 

[FrogmoreZeke]

Anyone know what the tv ratings were for the mens games vs the womens? Seems like they were going head to head pretty often in the tournaments this year where as in years past they tried to stagger them so they weren't competing directly.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I know this will be an unpopular opinion but some of the spending for the men’s tournament is outlandish. In a normal year, do you really need 8 separate color coded courts (yes each location gets an identifying color) for the 8 first/secondround cities. And 4 courts for the regional sites. And a special court for the final 4. All these arenas have courts.

The women only get a special court for the final four and maybe the regional sites.

I’m sure there are plenty other examples of just outlandish spending on the men’s side. Okay crucify me. I won’t respond. Lol.

I actually dont like the NCAA using their own courts because it makes all the venues look the same so its confusing to know which is the East Region, South Region, etc. If Duke is #1 in the East and playing in Greensboro then I know the 8/9 game between SHU and Ole Miss on the Greensboro Court is also the East.

 

[caleco's]

I know this will be an unpopular opinion but some of the spending for the men’s tournament is outlandish. In a normal year, do you really need 8 separate color coded courts (yes each location gets an identifying color) for the 8 first/secondround cities. And 4 courts for the regional sites. And a special court for the final 4. All these arenas have courts.

The women only get a special court for the final four and maybe the regional sites.

I’m sure there are plenty other examples of just outlandish spending on the men’s side. Okay crucify me. I won’t respond. Lol.

its about economics, who spends ad money where and how much.

but yes heaven forbid any of them play on the "home" floor and give their host some props.

 

[thebadby2]

i dont know why this is a debate. the revenue gaps are what drive this.
you could literally point to every sport at every school and see this

does wrestling get the same spending as fb or bb no. gee wonder why?

the womens tournament has become more popular but it still pales in comparison to the mens tourney.

appointing a "special counsel" to determine that spending is based on revenue..... smh

in other news Coke spends more on coca cola promotion than it does on root beer. both are popular just not on an even scale.

i dont think this excuses the ncaa weight room fiasco though

Breaking down the reported $13.5 million gap between the men's and women's NCAA tournaments in 2019

This is ridiculous.

ftw.usatoday.com

I have two daughters and I am sensitive However, in my mind it's just as simple as you say it is. The reality is two sports bring in a boatload of money that is used to finance all of the non-revenue sports. Naturally a lot more money has to be spent on those revenue sports.

In fact, using another of your exemples, due to Title IX compliance requirements many P5 level schools have cut men's programs like wrestling, golf and baseball, or have gutted the athletic scholarship money available to those men's non-revenue programs. It is no longer uncommon to see a varsity women's crew team with 25 full scholarship athletes on it at a school where wrestlers are paying 2/3 of their won tuition, room and board. Or a school with a varsity women's golf or ice hockey team, but not a men's team.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

i dont know why this is a debate. the revenue gaps are what drive this.
you could literally point to every sport at every school and see this

does wrestling get the same spending as fb or bb no. gee wonder why?

the womens tournament has become more popular but it still pales in comparison to the mens tourney.

appointing a "special counsel" to determine that spending is based on revenue..... smh

in other news Coke spends more on coca cola promotion than it does on root beer. both are popular just not on an even scale.

i dont think this excuses the ncaa weight room fiasco though

Breaking down the reported $13.5 million gap between the men's and women's NCAA tournaments in 2019

This is ridiculous.

ftw.usatoday.com

Perhaps because the ncaa should make every effort for equity for these student athletes ?
That schools fall even further short isn’t braggable

 

[Dan1911]

I never watch women’s basketball anymore. I never saw so may missed shots with a tiny basketball. Holds zero interest.

Let the women who cry for equity but could care less about sports watch the game

 

[levance2]

Perhaps because the ncaa should make every effort for equity for these student athletes ?
That schools fall even further short isn’t braggable

The schools are required to provide equity across the totality of their sports. There is no requirement for equivalency between MBB and WBB, or any other specific sports. I am sure that the men's swimming and track teams do not feel equivalent to the football team either.

There are probably other sports who would look at the WBB championship and wish they got that much attention from the NCAA.

 

[Dointhatrag]

The schools are required to provide equity across the totality of their sports. There is no requirement for equivalency between MBB and WBB, or any other specific sports. I am sure that the men's swimming and track teams do not feel equivalent to the football team either.

There are probably other sports who would look at the WBB championship and wish they got that much attention from the NCAA.

Equality not equity. Equity would imply that more resources need to be given to women's sports until that are equal in popularity to men's sports. Equality indicates that everyone has an open door but doesnt mean they will succeed. Same number of sports per gender is equality. Equity would be lowering the basket for shorter people so they have the same chance to dunk the ball

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

hahaha
so you think that if the girls tourney made 100 times more then the roles wouldn't be reversed? like this is som intentional slight on women?

omg you are so addorable.

good to see you haven't stopped your gaslighting way

The ncaa is the leadership organization for college athletics , right ?
They are responsible for oversight for college athletics .
It’s their event , their facilities , and their product .

it took public shaming by a player with a cell phone to make the act .

mark emmert is compensated Millions a year for what ?
The logic is that the leadership needs axed .
They are entirely replaceable and nothing they do improve the product .

 

[levance2]

Equality indicates that everyone has an open door but doesnt mean they will succeed. Same number of sports per gender is equality. Equity would be lowering the basket for shorter people so they have the same chance to dunk the ball

No, this is wrong.

Men and women do not have the same number of sports offered at probably any school in the country and the NCAA does not equally promote championships in both men's and women's sports. There is no women's football. There is no men's beach volleyball.

Equity means that a school's athletic department offers the same opportunities and financial support collectively to women's sports and collectively to men's sports. There are many more women's teams offered to compensate for the large rosters and expenses associated with football. Pitt does not offer men's volleyball, gymnastics, or lacrosse.

There is no requirement for WBB and MBB to be treated with either equity or equality. Nor is there any such requirement that the NCAA treat WBB and coed rifle championships with equity or equality.

 

[caleco's]

The ncaa is the leadership organization for college athletics , right ?
They are responsible for oversight for college athletics .
It’s their event , their facilities , and their product .

it took public shaming by a player with a cell phone to make the act .

mark emmert is compensated Millions a year for what ?
The logic is that the leadership needs axed .
They are entirely replaceable and nothing they do improve the product .

this is economics. nothing more nothing less

you said they need to fix the product?? how do you want them to make people watch and spend more money on women's basketball. we both know that answer.

under your ideology every single sport in the ncaa regardless of gender or division should have exactly the same budget for everything. what a silly take

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

this is economics. nothing more nothing less

you said they need to fix the product?? how do you want them to make people watch and spend more money on women's basketball. we both know that answer.

under your ideology every single sport in the ncaa regardless of gender or division should have exactly the same budget for everything. what a silly take

I’m saying they have nothing to do with the product
They do have something to do with facilities , amenities , and the COVID testing disparity

if you’re on the side of the incompetent ncaa leadership -
You’re on the wrong side

 

[PeetWeet1]

I’m saying they have nothing to do with the product
They do have something to do with facilities , amenities , and the COVID testing disparity

if you’re on the side of the incompetent ncaa leadership -
You’re on the wrong side

They would have been better off with no weight room. What they provided was a joke. However, a lot of what we have here is whiny entitled kids wanting stuff someone else earned. Pretty much everything they have is due to male FB and BB.

Should I complain that I had to buy my own shoes? That I had to take bus trips? They our faculties had no stands, and sometimes no inside toilets? That we had hard artificial surfaces to play on? That we had to pay for our own post-game nutrition? That we had to do fund raisers? That we had to pay for school? That we didn’t have academic support? After all, my teammates and I all worked hard. We ‘did the same job’ after all. It couldn’t possibly have been our fault people didn’t pay to watch us. It couldn’t possibly have been our fault we didn’t have big TV money coming in.

Oh wait, it was. We weren’t good/ entertaining enough. That didn’t stop us from having an insanely great time and being thankful for the awesome support we did get.

 

[Voice of Danno]

One thing you don't hear from the women or people like Rapone is we'll separate from the men and control our own budget. I wonder why that is?

 

[PeetWeet1]

One thing you don't hear from the women or people like Rapone is we'll separate from the men and control our own budget. I wonder why that is?

She does impress me. Managed to get MVP despite being benched for the semi AND managed to turn a pay dispute into a civil rights issue. It will be congresswomen Rapinoe before too long.

 

[caleco's]

I’m saying they have nothing to do with the product
They do have something to do with facilities , amenities , and the COVID testing disparity

if you’re on the side of the incompetent ncaa leadership -
You’re on the wrong side

so again by your argument EVERY sport should get the same facilities and same amenities

so the ncaa mens and womens bb events should have the same facilities as mens wrestling and womens field hockey despite the economics.

your agrument that this is some sexist conspiracy against women by the ncca is off base. a dozen other mens sports can be pointed to that they dont get anything close to what the womens bball tourney gets financiallt...and that is called economics.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

so again by your argument EVERY sport should get the same facilities and same amenities

so the ncaa mens and womens bb events should have the same facilities as mens wrestling and womens field hockey despite the economics.

your agrument that this is some sexist conspiracy against women by the ncca is off base. a dozen other mens sports can be pointed to that they dont get anything close to what the womens bball tourney gets financiallt...and that is called economics.

Same sport
Same time
Same organizing body

 

[caleco's]

Same sport
Same time
Same organizing body

why should the sport matter? what about field hockey vs wrestling.

you are selectively choosing the economic influences by sport here

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

why should the sport matter? what about field hockey vs wrestling.

you are selectively choosing the economic influences by sport here

I get it
Because the disparity is so indefensible you’re trying instead to change the topic to some nonsensical hypothetical .

like I said - when you find yourself on the same side as mark. Emmert and the ncaa brass /
You know you’re on the wrong side of an issue

 

[PeetWeet1]

Same sport
Same time
Same organizing body

So D3 should get the same treatment? Cool. They work hard too.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

So D3 should get the same treatment? Cool. They work hard too.

Yes d3 men and women in the same sport should be treated equally by the ncaa at their events
Quite the gotcha

 

[PeetWeet1]

Yes d3 men and women in the same sport should be treated equally by the ncaa at their events
Quite the gotcha

Oh no. D3 needs to be treated the same as D1. Same sport. Same governing body. Same time. Anything else would be unfair.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Oh no. D3 needs to be treated the same as D1. Same sport. Same governing body. Same time. Anything else would be unfair.

I’m good with that
Ncaa has plenty of money
It’s not like it’s a huge expense to a multi billion dollar organization to serve student athletes .

 

[bayardstreet]

A. The NCAA is garbage and only cares about money.

B. Compared to men’s sports, not much going on with viewership for the women’s sports. That’s just a fact.

C. There isn’t any product on the planet that Rapinoe could indorse that I would buy.

D. See A.

E. See A.

 

[caleco's]

I get it
Because the disparity is so indefensible you’re trying instead to change the topic to some nonsensical hypothetical .

like I said - when you find yourself on the same side as mark. Emmert and the ncaa brass /
You know you’re on the wrong side of an issue

the money spending levels that differ between sports isnt a hypothetical you just choose the ignore while chasing the mythical war the ncaa us waging on womens sports

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

the money spending levels that differ between sports isnt a hypothetical you just choose the ignore while chasing the mythical war the ncaa us waging on womens sports

Like i said
When the topic doesn’t suit your narrative - invent a new one
The ncaa’s incompetence should alarm most rational thinking people
I get that excludes a certain proportion

 

[caleco's]

Like i said
When the topic doesn’t suit your narrative - invent a new one
The ncaa’s incompetence should alarm most rational thinking people
I get that excludes a certain proportion

invent? i am applying your logic to the ncaa as whole not one sport.
you just keep pushing your agenda of somr ncaa conspiracy with womens sports. the logic of your argument is completely flawed which is why you deflect deflect and deflect some more.

you cant defend it on a more real scale so you just pick a myopic sect to focus on

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

invent? i am applying your logic to the ncaa as whole not one sport.
you just keep pushing your agenda of somr ncaa conspiracy with womens sports. the logic of your argument is completely flawed which is why you deflect deflect and deflect some more.

you cant defend it on a more real scale so you just pick a myopic sect to focus on

The myopic actual topic of two events at the same time in the same sport

You took the l

 

[caleco's]

The myopic actual topic of two events at the same time in the same sport

You took the l

again you ignore the broad economic picture of all this and how that drives spending

so explain and justify your logic as it applies to wrestling and field hockey?

you cany because it doesnt hold water.

explain the conspiracy theory of the ncaa's fight against womens sports when you compare the mens wrestling championship to the womens bb tourney. your logic doesnt hold up there.
hell explain the disparities between spending and amenities between the mens and womens swimming championships vs the mens and womens bb tournaments. again its economics driven and not some gendrr divide.

you are chasing ghosts

 

[PeetWeet1]

Like i said
When the topic doesn’t suit your narrative - invent a new one
The ncaa’s incompetence should alarm most rational thinking people
I get that excludes a certain proportion

Why would the NCAA competence level alarm me? It created the term student-athlete to avoid paying workman’s comp. They thought a dumb bell rack would qualify as a weight room. Idiocy, but whatever. More importantly, when did a weight room become a requirement to play basketball?

What the women just don’t seem to get is all their bling, facilities, training tables and scholarships are funded by two men’s sports. One of which they are bitching about costing more. Yes, they are literally whining that the men’s tournament costs more to run. Well, it costs more because they rent larger venues to generate more revenue to spend on the women’s tournament in which they are participating.

Like another poster stated, if they want fair they ought to start their own organization and keep all revenue for themselves.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Why would the NCAA competence level alarm me? It created the term student-athlete to avoid paying workman’s comp. They thought a dumb bell rack would qualify as a weight room. Idiocy, but whatever. More importantly, when did a weight room become a requirement to play basketball?

What the women just don’t seem to get is all their bling, facilities, training tables and scholarships are funded by two men’s sports. One of which they are bitching about costing more. Yes, they are literally whining that the men’s tournament costs more to run. Well, it costs more because they rent larger venues to generate more revenue to spend on the women’s tournament in which they are participating.

Like another poster stated, if they want fair they ought to start their own organization and keep all revenue for themselves.

If you’re paying attention to the Supreme Court case -
I’d suggest the game has been called out .

ironically it’s the right leaning posters here out of step with the conservative justices

 

[PeetWeet1]

If you’re paying attention to the Supreme Court case -
I’d suggest the game has been called out .

ironically it’s the right leaning posters here out of step with the conservative justices

Help me out. I can’t follow the mental gymnastics required to call something that pays coaches tens of millions amateur.

 

[caleco's]

If you’re paying attention to the Supreme Court case -
I’d suggest the game has been called out .

ironically it’s the right leaning posters here out of step with the conservative justices

you are building one funky bridge trying to relate the scotus ruling on paying players vs the difference in money spent on mens vs womens tourneys.

if anything it further splits your arguments. players receiving funds will be done based on their brand value which means...wait for it....the women will be paid less when profiting off their image and likeness from companies.

if the university pays them directly the stlpends and pay will be based on their economic value. yes a wrestler wont get the same as a football player.

it's still economics not gender bias.

if you want to blame someone blame the public for not watching field hockey games or not packing a natatoreum.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Help me out. I can’t follow the mental gymnastics required to call something that pays coaches tens of millions amateur.

You’d have to ask the ncaa and conspirators to withhold likeness rights

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

you are building one funky bridge trying to relate the scotus ruling on paying players vs the difference in money spent on mens vs womens tourneys.

if anything it further splits your arguments. players receiving funds will be done based on their brand value which means...wait for it....the women will be paid less when profiting off their image and likeness from companies.

if the university pays them directly the stlpends and pay will be based on their economic value. yes a wrestler wont get the same as a football player.

it's still economics not gender bias.

if you want to blame someone blame the public for not watching field hockey games or not packing a natatoreum.

And you’re still failing to grasp the basic issue that the ncaa is the issue and how they have failed to lead by example .
While ironically arguing in court it’s what their fans want .
To hoard money while treating labor disposably

You’re - I’ll point out again- on the side of the ncaa - which is never a strong position

 

[levance2]

You’re - I’ll point out again- on the side of the ncaa - which is never a strong position

People love to treat the NCAA as the boogeyman without admitting that each and every member institution is complicit. If everything about the NCAA is so evil, what is Pitt or the ACC doing about it?

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

People love to treat the NCAA as the boogeyman without admitting that each and every member institution is complicit. If everything about the NCAA is so evil, what is Pitt or the ACC doing about it?

I’m under no delusion the institutions aren’t likewise co-conspirators
I’m happy for it all to be torn down